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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2005, 12:33:00 PM »
Just three were sent back.
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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2005, 12:45:00 PM »
PM me.
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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2005, 12:57:00 PM »
I sent the letters from my personal email site and all of them were delievered.  I'd suggest you do this. Besides, you need to give some identifying information - your e-mail address, name, phone number, city and state.

Here's a copy of my letter

To the Honorable Mayor and City Council:

RE: Sale of Kemper Facility to WWASP Network

April 7, 2005

Dear Members of the City Council:

There have been thousands of victims of the teen industry and WWASP programs. They include former students/patients, their parents and family members. My child was severely abused in a Utah program and that is why I am now concerned about the proliferation of the "teen industry" in this country. As a result of horrific personal experiences with various programs, potentially thousands of people from all over the country have been reading about the develpments surrounding the purchase of the miltary school in your community by affiliates of the WWASP network. So don't be surprised when people from other states send you their oppinions. I'm a registered nurse from the state of California and  have been researching the many abuses that occur in the new and lucrative teen industry.  

It was indicated in a recent news article that Randall Hinton once worked at WWASP schools in Jamaica and Mexico. Tranquility Bay in Jamaica and Casa by the Sea in Mexico are both reportedly abusive facilities.

Casa By the Sea was recently shut down by the Mexican authorities because several children showed signs of emotional and physical abuse. Potentially abusive behavior modification techniques and extreme punitive measures are often used in programs associated with WWASP.

The reports of abuse at Tranquility Bay have been particularly horrific.

Several former staff members from a program in Utah, Majestic Ranch, reported extreme chid abuse and endangerment such as forcing children to shovel manure with their hands, sitting out in the cold for several hours as punishment, and bolting the windows shut to prevent escapes.  

In most WWASP programs children are not allowed to communicate or see parents for many months. They must earn the right. They are not allowed to use the telephone and their mail is censored. They are severely punished for speaking negatively of the program.

Prolonged isolation in cold, uncomfortable chambers is routine. Former students have reported being hog-tied for hours at a time. One administrator, Jay Kay, (who worked closely with Hinton) admitted to a BBC reporter that one girl had spent 18 months in isolation at Tranquility Bay.

Children are essentially controlled completely in most WWASP affiliated programs. They are essentially denied the most basic civil rights of speach, movement and mail. I became concerned when I read that Hinton indicated that the students would not be allowed to leave campus. This is a huge red-flag indicating that this will be another lock-down where children wiil essentially be cut-off from the outside world and punished with impunity.

The people of this community must beware! Please do a complete inter-net search regarding this industry before allowing this reportedly abusive network to purchase this building. I'd suggest one read the recent report regarding WWASP affiliate Majestic Ranch at http://www.kidsincaptivity.com. Also read some of the reports about other WWASP affiliated programs on line at http://isaccorp.org and at www.heal@u.washington.edu

Personally I'm writiting to you because I don't want to see another WWASP program in the United States.  Please make a copy of this letter for the public record and for other members of the council who may not have received the e-mail.

Best Wishes and Regards,


You can use my letter as a model if you have writer's block - or come up with one of your own.   :tup:

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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2005, 05:19:00 PM »
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Anon,



Anyone who has read the long history of closures,history of allegations of abuse or spoken with a child who has attended a WWASP facility,could easily come to the conclusion the WASP is not a HEALTYH options for any living being.



I challenge YOU to come out of your WWASP box

and think that the allegations may be true. If so it is not acceptable.



Are YOU making money off of referrals?

Just curious.



From my personal experience CW was right on."


The Key word here is Allegations - Allegations are not the same as evidence and truth. I've yet to see the allegations be fact.  Did I miss something?
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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2005, 05:28:00 PM »
When do allegations become truth?  When they are tried to a jury in a court of law. Apparently that has been done recently and WWASP LOST....Apparently the jury believed that the ALLEGATIONS told by sincere survivors of WWASP programs were true.  
Do they become true when there are multiple witnesses?  Former employees? Former students?
I believe there is truth to all of the stories of survivors - because they are so similar - and employees and even administrators have backe those allegations up. Jay Kay of Tranquility Bay ADMITTED to BBC REPORTER that they had kept a young girl "ON HER FACE FOR 18 long months" He bragged that this was the "RECORD." This is one of the most abusive things I've ever heard of. Depriving a child of 18 months - forcing that child to lay on her face for 18 months - no school, no contact with anyone.  It's truly horrific and I'm sure that child is scarred for life.  
What is truth?  In the mouths of two or three witnesses according to the good book.  What's your definition?  I happen to believe the stories when there are hundreds of witnesses saying the same things - even photographs - There's just too much evidence against WWASP to deny that they practice horrific child abuse in their programs.
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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2005, 05:50:00 PM »
How does one go about seeing justice served when the victim lives in Utah; the prep in Missery; and the crime took place in Jamaica?

When does the statue clock begin ticking?
How long does it run on sexual assault?
Plain ole assault?

Any legal eagles here with suggestions?

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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2005, 07:21:00 PM »
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On 2005-04-07 08:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Anyone who has read the long history of closures,history of allegations of abuse or spoken with a child who has attended a WWASP facility,could easily come to the conclusion the WASP is not a HEALTYH options for any living being.

>I challenge YOU to come out of your WWASP box


and think that the allegations may be true. If so it is not acceptable.

Are YOU making money off of referrals?
Just curious.

>From my personal experience CW was right on."


The Key word here is Allegations - Allegations are not the same as evidence and truth. I've yet to see the allegations be fact.  Did I miss something?  "

Do affidavits and court documents count to you?  Has it ever occurred to you that the reason why there are no witnesses is because these people don?t allow outsiders inside the compounds and lie and justify the use of this abuse as, ?Just what happens when dealing with troubled teens?? What about that fact that there are anonymity laws and frightened children afraid to come forward because they fear being called liars and manipulators? Private schools with no legislation - criminals with not convictions, but instead, gag orders and huge out of court civil suit settlements, because why? MONEY!!!!!!

 Just like children who?ve been abused, raped, molested, psychologically and physically tortured in their own homes. Often times, the stories of abuse don?t come out until the victims learn that what happened to them was horrific and wrong! By then, they?re adults and are in need of years of recovery and/or therapy. Thank God for the parents who have the compassion and sense to come forward!

 You know, when you have hundreds if not thousands of people telling the same stories over and over, you just have to draw conclusions and opinions. WWASP programs and affiliates are outrageously abusive. They would not have been shut down otherwise.

 Narvin Lichfield wouldn?t have been arrested, and all these anti program advocates from all over the world wouldn?t be spending colossal portions of their lives trying to get the word out if there weren?t TRUTH to their stories.

 You can?t lie forever without the truth finally coming into the light.
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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2005, 09:02:00 PM »
I uase the word allegations  to cover my ass from slapp suit. I know the truth .I have experienced it.I have had many kids cry in my arms over their experiences. I have been told about the nightmares.

It si NOT a healthy experince.

Whole and Healthy it is not.
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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2005, 09:34:00 PM »
Statute of Limitations: the statute of limitations is different for each state. For sexual assault of a minor in California - the victim has 7 years AFTER the age of 18 to report the abuse. Sexual Assault is very difficult to prove without DNA evidence. When a child is in a lock down - they have no way to report the sexual assault and important incriminating evidence is lost.  It's also very humiliating to go forward with the prosecution of sexual assault for the victim.
In Utah a victim of child abuse has only 4 years to report the abuse. So if a child was abused at the age of 7 they would have until they were 11 to report the abuse.  Still not old enough to know what their rights are.  I think this law should change and allow children to report abuse for at least 4 years AFTER they turn 18.  There are over 200 youth facilities and programs in Utah (I've heard there are about 1000 - but who knows?) Many of these abuse victims are left with no recourse in Utah.  The law essentially protects the child abusers.  

Anyway - depending on the state - the statute changes.  You can do a search for the state =
Utah Statute of Limitations - then search....

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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2005, 12:29:00 AM »
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"When do allegations become truth?  When they are tried to a jury in a court of law. Apparently that has been done recently and WWASP LOST....Apparently the jury believed that the ALLEGATIONS told by sincere survivors of WWASP programs were true.  

Do they become true when there are multiple witnesses?  Former employees? Former students?

I believe there is truth to all of the stories of survivors - because they are so similar - and employees and even administrators have backe those allegations up. Jay Kay of Tranquility Bay ADMITTED to BBC REPORTER that they had kept a young girl "ON HER FACE FOR 18 long months" He bragged that this was the "RECORD." This is one of the most abusive things I've ever heard of. Depriving a child of 18 months - forcing that child to lay on her face for 18 months - no school, no contact with anyone.  It's truly horrific and I'm sure that child is scarred for life.  

What is truth?  In the mouths of two or three witnesses according to the good book.  What's your definition?  I happen to believe the stories when there are hundreds of witnesses saying the same things - even photographs - There's just too much evidence against WWASP to deny that they practice horrific child abuse in their programs.  "


Is that true?  Or just another reporter twisting someone's words?  

Hundreds of witnesses saying the same things?  Really?   Maybe 10 people saying it a hundred times.   :rofl:
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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2005, 01:11:00 AM »
baghead,
When people like you say that bullshit, it really pisses me off. Why not get a investigation and PROVE that youre right? I mean, what do you have to hide?

Oh wait, programs and programmies fucking COVER IT UP, LIE, AND CHANGE NAMES AND MOVE LOCATIONS. Nothing like running a disinformation campaign, huh?

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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2005, 11:10:00 AM »
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Is that true?  Or just another reporter twisting someone's words?  



Hundreds of witnesses saying the same things?  Really?   Maybe 10 people saying it a hundred times.   :rofl:   "


I bet you actually believe that, don't you. Sad. Very sad.

Phoenix, I'm gonna call you out here. You've been reading and posting to these forums for a very long time. Isn't it about time you picked a name so that you can have more than a one-liner, drive-by type discussion w/ some of these people? And if you do that, would you like for me to assign all of your old anon posts that I can find to that new username?

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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2005, 11:25:00 AM »
I think that's a fabulous idea, Ginger!

Please do! :tup:
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« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2005, 12:30:00 PM »
I just want to get people back on the subject and that is  TO PROTEST THE SALE OF THE KEMPER MILITARY SCHOOL FACILITY TO WWASP AFFILIATES. Please write letters and send e-mails - even if you can come up with only one or two sentences.  If you don't want to see another WWASP Program in the USA you need to express that to those who can do something about it.  Now is the time to act - the next meeting will be this Monday - so time is of the essence..........Write write write write write.......

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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2005, 01:37:00 PM »
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