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« Reply #120 on: May 07, 2005, 11:29:00 PM »
***This was posted on another forum. When I read it, the descriptions of the "tactics" looked AWFULLY FAMILIAR...

I thought the same and was about to post it here too.

Juniper,
I don't know if there is a standard definition of "severely disturbed". I can't comment on the issue of court oredered kids, but there were kids there who met my definition of "severely distressed".
One carried around a handful of pencils at all times which he was very protective of, and was humiliated for.
Another would vomit in his hand and put it in his pocket.
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« Reply #121 on: May 08, 2005, 01:51:00 PM »
When did this all take place?
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« Reply #122 on: May 08, 2005, 11:20:00 PM »
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« Reply #123 on: May 09, 2005, 11:11:00 AM »
Juniper when I was there, there were a large number of court ordered kids, as far as severly disturbed, issues ran the gamet youd have to be more specific.
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« Reply #124 on: May 10, 2005, 01:30:00 AM »
It says in their manual and demographics that they do not take court ordered children.  If they did when youwere there and still are, is that a breach of faith or contract?  They are advertising that they do not take court ordered children.  How are they getting away with all this stuff?
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« Reply #125 on: May 10, 2005, 10:35:00 AM »
How are they getting away with alot of the things that they are doing, namely not being regulated by the state and being improperly licensed, or lying to parents, and attempting to brainwash kids while abusing them. I can not attest to whether or not they currently admitt court ordered kids, I do know that in the past and while I was there they most definitly did.
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« Reply #126 on: May 10, 2005, 12:40:00 PM »
***How are they getting away with alot of the things that they are doing

Largely because parents are unaware and do not take action when they do discover conflicting information.
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« Reply #127 on: May 10, 2005, 04:02:00 PM »
I think it's largely because of a pervasive false dilema; mainstream school, culture and what-not vs. the Program. Either you're a "good kid" according to the schoolpeople and the DARE cop or you're a "troubled kid" in need of intervention.

There's another, better option. Start early, like when they're toddlers. Do not present a unified front w/ whomever presents themselves as the authorities. Instead, teach your kids to make their own judgement calls and to come up w/ better strategies than those presented by MTV to deal w/ unjust and unwholesome authority figures and their dictates.

Hey, nobody promised it would be simple or easy or risk free.

"Now, I'm a walking dead man," ... "And what bothers me is that I'm dead because I tried to help the kids. And it's all the fault of all those people over there at the DEA." [Anonymity Anonymous
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« Reply #128 on: May 12, 2005, 09:38:00 AM »
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On 2005-05-09 22:30:00, juniper wrote:

"It says in their manual and demographics that they do not take court ordered children.  If they did when youwere there and still are, is that a breach of faith or contract?  They are advertising that they do not take court ordered children.  How are they getting away with all this stuff?"

Yes, when I was there they took court ordered kids.  According to Robert, they did so at least thru 2002.  That's eight years accounted for.

Any recent students/staff that can tell us about 2002-2005?

Why do they get away with it?  They're scam artists.  They get away with it just like others do: lack of regulation, embarrassed victims that don't want to bring action, good political and other connections, and, most of all LOTS OF MONEY.
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« Reply #129 on: May 17, 2005, 07:02:00 AM »
Why is taking court ordered kids a bad thing? Isn't being sent to a boarding school/treatment center better than going to jail and having it on a child's criminal record? Aren't most children sent to treatment centers or boarding schools because the crimes they committed weren't serious enough to warrant jail time? Are court ordered kids a danger to other kids who aren't court ordered? Just wondering.
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« Reply #130 on: May 17, 2005, 10:13:00 AM »
Thats a possibility yes, the bigger issue is whether or not HLA is being forthcoming with the parents of those kids which are not.
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« Reply #131 on: May 17, 2005, 12:59:00 PM »
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On 2005-05-17 04:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Why is taking court ordered kids a bad thing?

Long story...

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Isn't being sent to a boarding school/treatment center better than going to jail and having it on a child's criminal record?

Heh, yeah right! First off, juvenile records are generally sealed by default at the age of majority. 17yo's often take advantage of this well known fact by fighting everyone they've ever wanted to fight before they come of age.

But, more to the point, having spent time in JDC (placed there by my parents w/ help from Program lawyers and a judge, not for any real crime) and in a RTC, I can tell you that, hands down, JDC was less harmful and less unpleasant.

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Aren't most children sent to treatment centers or boarding schools because the crimes they committed weren't serious enough to warrant jail time?

No, some are sent because they haven't committed any crime at all, but their parents have a fragile grasp on reality and can't tolerate their little children growing up into ham fisted, awkward and sometimes fool hearty young adults. But for those who have come before a juvenile judge, the judge, DA, guardian ad litem and all the rest have determined that the kid doesn't need or deserve to be locked up. And this is so common, too. When I read from a parent or former client "We tried everything, shrinks, counseling, this and that...." what I hear is "Well, we asked every professional and pseudo professional we could find, looked under every rock, but just couldn't fine one who would agree w/ our paranoid delusion that our kid needed confinement... then came [edcon or rtc].

It's no different from the plastic surgery racket, except that the victim is the kid who has no say in the matter. You can go from one doc to the next, each one telling you they won't do the proceedure you want because it doesn't pass the risk/benefit test. But, if you keep trying, eventually you'll find somebody willing to take your money and tell you whatever you want to hear.

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Are court ordered kids a danger to other kids who aren't court ordered? Just wondering."


Sometimes they are just because the stakes are higher. A kid who's not court ordered can risk trying to convince their parents to let them come home. A kid who's court ordered (and who doesn't know that JDC is not the hellish scene they've been told it is) doesn't have that option. So they may be more willing to take more desperate measures in order to escape and not be found.

But that's not my primary concern. My primary concern is that the courts are ordering kids into punishments that go way beyond anything authorized by law. That's just crazy! The juvy system has enough problems w/o going outside of it to something even worse!

It's an incredible con job when you think of it, to believe something now in exchange for life after death. Even corporations with all their reward systems don't try to make it posthumous.
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« Reply #132 on: May 18, 2005, 12:22:00 PM »
The following is a letter I had written in response to a concerned parent who currently has a child at Hidden Lake Academy:
     "Hello.  The letter you viewed was one I'd written last year around this time actually.  I'd love to answer any questions you have.  I must first ask though, why was he sent to HLA?  The reason I ask is because you need to ask yourself a very serious question,  Was the way he was before he went to HLA as dangerous as how he may feel upon his life after HLA?  I'll give you a quick background of my story in order for you to understand.  Right up to the time before I went to HLA, I had ceased caring whether I lived or died and had become a wandering junkie among the streets after dropping out of school and running away from home.  I was sent to HLA upon a court order.  I don't want to go into detail about how horrible my experience was at HLA, but I will say that there's no real individual counseling in order to find out what each child needs.  It's all done the cheapest way possible in order for them to still say that they are counseling, which is group counseling.  Group counseling on a mass structure can be successful when everyone may be suffering from the same problems such as Alcoholics Anonymous, but in this case what one child needs another may not.  You must also understand that because of this they fill everyones heads with the same rules of life by breaking down everything they've been taught and rebuilding their thinking.  This sounds as if it could be good, yes?  But it's not.  It's not actually correcting any problems.  It's covering them up with a therapeutic veneer and teaching them to suppress their problems since they're not actually working through them.  This insures that they may seem like things are better for them and that they're cured for a long enough time for them to leave HLA and then some.  As you know though, anything suppressed will eventually surface and need to be dealt with again.  So in actuallity HLA did nothing except offer a temporary fix.  For some it does work, but very few.  Most of the children end up with double the amount of problems, because you then have to worry about the same old problems accompanied by the trust issues and identity disorder that HLA has installed.  After leaving HLA I started noticing that I felt like a robot.  It took awhile to figure out who I was again.  Through all this searching I was lucky, because I started noticing subtle beauties in life that made me want to live, plus being sober I was able to look back at all the wrongs I'd done and people I'd hurt and became determined to change some of my ways.  Now I'm a very happy person for the most part, but I do suffer from some problems that I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to overcome, because my mind doesn't recognize them.  They're purely irrational thoughts that I can't control which cause me to have panic attacks.  I have social anxiety disorder and some serious trust issues from things my last psychologist said had become such a deep part of my psyche that it was part of my personality and could become a danger to try to change.  I have learned to function fine as long as I take my medication.  I am in a very successful relationship,  my parents and I are now much better friends, and I care about my life as well as others'...  Once again, I must say, that was my story.  Everybody's story's different.  For some the rebellious teenager is just a phase.  It's practically impossible to know that though since we can't see the future.  My parents have apologized a few times about getting me sent to HLA, because they see what it has done.  They say that if they could go back they would do things differently.  I don't think it's that easy though.  I needed some help and my parents just didn't know what to do.  I do not blame them for anything.  They did what they felt they had to after we'd gotten into some serious scuffles and they saw me slowly but rapidly dying.  You can see why I said that this is a very hard question to deal with.  My advice personally is not HLA and is one on one counseling with the whole family.  Make sure also that the psychologist is not a friend of anyone in the family, because you do not want them to be tempted into taking sides because of the personal relationship he/she has with a family member.  For all we know, there may be things about all of you that may need to change in order for there to be that balance that your family needs.  I know that's how it was for us, my family that is.  This means that you must be open for anything that your therapist may say to you without getting defensive.  There is no easy way out of this.  Remember that...  I to have never told my parents certain disturbing things that have gone on there, because they already beat themselves up over sending me there, so I can understand why your son is reluctant to say anything.  Plus there's also the fact that he's scared to because of what they may try to pull.  I was brainwashed into trying to commit suicide when they found out that I was trying to get my court order dropped because I felt like I'd worked through all of my problems, mostly on my own because i was willing and wanted to change things in my life.  They wanted me to slip up and try something so as not to lose my money.  It didn't exactly work as they wanted it to because we discovered what they were trying to do.  Avarice and the ability to control someone's mind don't mix...  Concerning your academics worry, there are no real academics.  In spanish, the answers were always on the bottom of the page upside down and no teaching was involved, just worksheets.  It's a gimic in order to make the parents feel as if some change is occuring.  You cannot fail a class, you get incompletes until they make you do it with work assignments or calistenics.  I remember when I made honor roll, my parents were so proud that I didn't even tell them that I was only in my first week of the school classes and hadn't actually done anything yet.  So he may get good grades, but there's no serious learning taking place.   I'd be more worried about his being able to function upon leaving than his academics though, because his credits should transfer fine.  But he may do horrible in the next school because although it states that he made an A in the previous math class, there's a good chance he didn't learn anything, so it's going to be more difficult for him to keep up since he's been out of a real school environment for so long...  I hope that all of this will encourage you to make the decision you feel is best.  I'm sorry you must go through this, but since you must, please make the best educated decision possible.  This is your son's future and possibly his life at stake.  Since you obviously care about him in order to seek my help, I'm sure you'll do what is best.  Here is a link yu may find helpful, http://www.heal-online.org/hiddenlake.htm....  Are you aware that there are a few class action lawsuits in the works against HLA?..  Please do not tell HLA that you have spoken with me.  They are very powerful and have the ability to come up with answers to anything, hence the psychologist part.  I'm risking alot by sharing these things with you.  Thankyou and Goodluck.  Love, Me"
I have posted this with the hopes that I could help answer some questions for those in worry.  If you are planning to or know someone who may be planning to undergo such circumstances, please forward on this letter.  Thankyou.
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« Reply #133 on: May 29, 2005, 01:46:00 PM »
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« Reply #134 on: June 11, 2005, 11:31:00 AM »
HIDDEN LAKE CONTRACTS WITH PSYCHIATRIST
(March 2005) Hidden Lake Academy, Dahlonega, GA, 800-394-0640, http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com, announced that because of a growth in the number of students and their psychiatric needs, the program has expanded its psychiatric services by contracting with an additional psychiatrist, Consuelo M. Reddick, MD. She is on campus weekly to assist students with medication reviews, medical support and emergency on-call situations.
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