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ISAC may have to open books to prove where donations have go
« on: March 23, 2005, 10:47:00 AM »
ISAC'S donors have a right to see where their $$$ have gone?
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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2005, 10:55:00 AM »
And who says they MAY have to do this?????
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2005, 11:12:00 AM »
Wow, this thing is really getting out of hand!
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2005, 11:23:00 AM »
Gotta deflect the questions, heat offa you know who.  NOT just who do you think put this topic up?  Probably some "nice" person.
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2005, 11:24:00 AM »
This is stupid.  ISAC, like any other entity that survives on web donations, gets very, very little money.

Anyone who knows anything about shareware and the web and collecting donations for *any* cause with a similar publicity level, no matter how worthy, could predict---no doubt correctly----that they barely get enough in donations to defray the costs of keeping their site on the web.

Anybody who's ever run a small business and had experience with other small business owners and with volunteers on the boards of various cooperative organizations or the collections and budgetting of a small church has some idea of what kind of publicity and pitch draw in what level of donations, and what it costs to provide different goods and services.

ISAC is, apparently, small enough that the lion's share of the work is done by a couple of survivors who spend quite a lot of time and quite a lot of out of pocket money from their own earnings doing the work of their cause.

The people running ISAC are almost certainly pouring significant amounts of their own money into it, on an ongoing basis, not drawing money out of it.

The money poured into it is probably in the form of paying their own travel and research expenses on trips when they absolutely have to go check something out in person---and can afford to---and on phone bills.  If they're very lucky, some small part of the ISAC-related long distance phone calls is covered, along with their internet and web costs.

My experience, with running a small computer consulting corporation, briefly--with me as the only employee, but all of the corporate paperwork and red tape to do, with running a small business--which is essentially what being an author comes down to, with having in-laws that have run small businesses, with having a friend who owned and ran a small photography studio, with having been active in a church to the point of actually looking at the expenses and donations in the financial records, with doing volunteer work moderating a publisher's web board, with encountering the members of con committees that organize and run science fiction conventions, with working with the family that purchased and is running our local dojo, with learning the breakdown of the costs of books in publishing---

My experience with all that is that 99% of people looking at a small business, a cooperative organization, or a charity, vastly overestimate the income of that organization and vastly underestimate the expenses.

Most people just don't have even half a clue to know when what they're paying is being sold to them at or below cost, or when they're getting skinned alive.

Anyone who thinks ISAC is swimming in cash or has anywhere near enough cash income to match it's cash outflow, let alone the outflow of the value of volunteer labor provided by the few people right in the heart of it, is either: A) so hopelessly clueless as to be a complete babe in the woods or B) is flat out delusional or C) is trying to make nasty allegations to stir up trouble against people he/she doesn't like.

My best guess would be that the idiot who started this thread is some combination of A and C.

Anybody who can't just *look* at ISAC and make pretty good guesses about their probable cashflow without *needing* their books opened up is a complete and total fool who probably couldn't understand the books even with a very patient, plain-spoken accountant spending a whole damned day explaining them.

For the record, I have absolutely *no* connection to ISAC, financial or otherwise.

I'm just not one to tolerate fools gladly.

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2005, 11:35:00 AM »
Timoclea, the answer is  most probably "C"
And everyone can "C" through who it probably IS and can "C" why this person is doing this.
No one who knows Shelby would be worrried about her having to prove anything to anybody about ISAC.
This person who seems to be so determined to see ISAC sued might be surprised to "C" the donations start to pour into ISAC now to help with with this lawsuit. My money's on ISAC!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2005, 11:36:00 AM »
:question:

I still don't understand, is the original poster saying that ISAC took donations and put them in their own pocket, or that this Shelly person is a crook?
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2005, 11:51:00 AM »
Whoever posted that can insinuate anything they wish. Maybe she wants her money back (if she ever donated any). Most probably she just wants to try and just make people think ISAC has done something wrong. It's called deflection...sort of like: someone is saying bad stuff about me, so I will say nastier stuff about someone else, so then I will look better. See, that's how that is suppose to work. Sort of silly, and sort of
suggests she might think everyone is STUPID ENOUGH TO GO FOR IT. Whoever SHE might be.
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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2005, 11:55:00 AM »
I just wish someone would have the nerve to come right out and say Shelby is a crook. NO ONE would dare have the nerve to say THAT, because they know they would be lying. What a whiny, two-faced, back-stabbing way to even try and say that.
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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2005, 12:15:00 PM »
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"I just wish someone would have the nerve to come right out and say Shelby is a crook. NO ONE would dare have the nerve to say THAT, because they know they would be lying. What a whiny, two-faced, back-stabbing way to even try and say that."


Shelby is a crook!
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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2005, 12:17:00 PM »
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On 2005-03-23 08:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Whoever posted that can insinuate anything they wish. Maybe she wants her money back (if she ever donated any). Most probably she just wants to try and just make people think ISAC has done something wrong. It's called deflection...sort of like: someone is saying bad stuff about me, so I will say nastier stuff about someone else, so then I will look better. See, that's how that is suppose to work. Sort of silly, and sort of

suggests she might think everyone is STUPID ENOUGH TO GO FOR IT. Whoever SHE might be. "


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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2005, 12:19:00 PM »
And who might YOU be so say "Shelby is a crook?"
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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2005, 12:20:00 PM »
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Shelby is a crook!"


Ok, now back it up.  What has she done that could remotely be considered criminal?  Please be specific.  We've seen the extortion definition cut and pasted, that's explains exactly NOTHING.  What, specifically[/b], has she done?
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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2005, 12:21:00 PM »
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Ok, now back it up.  What has she done that could remotely be considered criminal?  Please be specific.  We've seen the extortion definition cut and pasted, that's explains exactly NOTHING.  What, specifically[/b], has she done?"


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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2005, 12:31:00 PM »
Cayo Hosebeast?
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