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« on: March 19, 2005, 12:40:00 AM »
Dundee Ranch is back in business and Steve Bozac is evidently shipping kids there.

http://www.school-placement.com/photos2 ... ranch.html

Skyline Journey is back in business under the name Distant Drums

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 78&forum=9

Now THAT is news! And that's just the tip of the iceberg!

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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2005, 12:56:00 AM »
Dundee is back after Costa Rica closed them down? How the hell did THAT happen?

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2005, 01:25:00 AM »
What makes you think it's in business again and that this is not an old post? Has anyone called Steve Bozac to see when he was there last?
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2005, 01:38:00 AM »
Well, I know they're back in business cause a friend in Costa Rica told me so. And I assume Steve's ok w/ this page being up cause the phone number is current.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=518-373-8069+

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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2005, 02:12:00 AM »
Thanks, I just wanted to confirm the  information was current and not old. I know sometimes I get hot and bothered thinking a facility is opened again (Casa comes to mind) only to find out I've found an old website.

Any ideas of what to do now that it is reopened? Or how it was allowed to reopen after their government shut it down?

It's a crying shame, and worse is that parents are so uninfomred and so irresponsible at times that you bet there will be kids who will go there. Against their will, kidnapped, taken to a foreign country. I can't imagine the fear of that. It's heart wrenching, that's what it is.

I think people need to stop fighting and start putting their heads together now. If we don't we are going to lose the fight.
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2005, 02:40:00 AM »
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On 2005-03-18 23:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

Any ideas of what to do now that it is reopened? Or how it was allowed to reopen after their government shut it down?


Honestly? Not a clue. Since I started looking for this boogieman under my bed, I've learned a few things. I've learned how to piss them off. That's easy. I've seen how people go about making them pay lawyers, change names, reorganize and, on occasion, actually go to the trouble of getting the hell out of town. But I'm not sure that all that blood, sweat and tears has really done more good than harm.

I've seen one group just implode under it's own weight (w/o offing themselves). But I didn't have anything to do w/ that and I don't know of any intentional outside effort that did.

So I'm appealing to the IVth Estate, raising a hew and cry, trying to understand why and how this is happening and how to turn it around.

Maybe that will be enough. I don't think any of us or our families would ever have bought in in the first place if we/they knew then what we know now. Or maybe someone who comes along and reads this stuff will be someone w/ a particular gift or single brilliant idea. Or maybe a lot of different people with little ideas will have the crucial impact, but no one will ever even suspect the total impact, least of all they themselves.

I don't know. I just think the more we know, the closer we are to solving this problem.

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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2005, 05:07:00 AM »
It's about to open soon. And it will be called "Pillars of Hope" this time.

U.S. newspaper profiles youth who was at Dundee

By Joe Medici
of the A.M. Costa Rica staff

The Milwaukee, Wisc., Journal Sentinel this week published a three-part series documenting the struggles of Joel Snider, a troubled youth who was sent to the Dundee Ranch in Orotina, Costa Rica.

The series reports on Snider?s early struggle with drugs and depression and how his parents eventually sent him to the Dundee Ranch. The ranch?s pamphlets and brochures promised a disciplined environment for troubled teens. Snider?s parents, who live in Wisconsin, hoped that the ranch?s focus on discipline could help their 280-pound teenage son.

During his time at the ranch, Snider and other students were routinely treated sternly. The complaints from many of these children eventually were evaluated by Costa Rican authorities who started to monitor the ranch.  
Finally, on May 20, 2003, Fernando Vargas, a Costa Rican prosecutor, led 50 police officers into the facility for a legal search. The warrant had been issued in response to a situation regarding Nicole Flowers, one of the students at the ranch. She was being held against her will and her mother, who did not have custody of her daughter, wanted her to be released.

During the raid, the prosecutor informed the    youths that they could not be held against their will under Costa Rican law. The raid failed to produce any solid evidence, however, and soon the prosecutor was forced to leave without any of the students. After the raid chaos ensued in the ranch and youngsters escaped.

Snider?s parents withdrew him from the academy a few days after the raid. Since that time, the program has shut down. This fall, however, a new program called Pillars of Hope is attempting to open on the same property.

Harold Dabel is the new administrator of Pillars of Hope. He was listed as part of the managing team at the Dundee Ranch and his new team is leasing the property from Narvin Lichfield, the original owner of the ranch who  briefly was detained by officials after the raid. Lichfield was associated with the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools.

A Pillars of Hope official said the group plans to begin admitting students soon. The Costa Rican government, however, has said that the group does not yet have permission to open its doors.  

The Milwaukee Journal series mainly is a profile of Snider and his family under stress. The stories even report on how Snider smuggled cocaine into the ranch. The newspaper said the youth was scarred by his experiences. His parents spent in excess of $25,000 to send him here.
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2005, 02:43:00 PM »
The most important thing to do is to educate parents about these programs. Unfortunately family counselors and therapists are recomending "residential facilities" to parents of teens who are having problems.  This should not be the first course of action.
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2005, 05:13:00 PM »
Actually, if they've been seeing therapists and counselors then a residental or behavior modification program has not been the first recommended course of action.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2005, 01:52:00 PM »
Ginger,

The Steve Bozak website is actually very informational, contrary to everyone?s beliefs.

There is a wealth of information on each and every school out there.  I don't think he personally refers to each one, but they are listed.  Some are even free!!!

Now, is he the person to contact for schools?  Who the hell knows?
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2005, 02:39:00 PM »
I actually see three on SB?s site that I contacted & was informed by the owners; "there really wasn't anything they could do".  I'm sure any ed-con can refer to any school at any time as well?  I don?t know the man nor have I ever spoken with him.

I doubt very seriously each ed-con makes his or her referrals to a select few?  By doing so they would be restricting their income & eventually fill up the select few schools they refer to?  I would venture to say they might have a selection criterion for each child / school?  I'm sure they have their favorites or make more for certain referrals to specific schools?

In hind site without regulation in this sector of our educational system, I didn't use an ed-con.

I always used my common sense and the words of a great ADD/ADHD child adversary; "You as the parent know who or what is best for your child & no one else should make this decision for you."  Great attorney from Virginia, Peter Wright who actually is ADD/ADHD and has experienced first hand all of what our children are experiencing currently in schools today.  I don't know if he has a website, I had his support over 15 years ago and won a case against the Supreme Court of Virginia vs. a local school district.  If I'm not mistaken he has an informational packet he use to send out, for a small fee to help families with 504 children concerning the school districts responsibilities.    My two cents on ed-cons.
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2005, 04:20:00 PM »
don't you mean "child advocate"?

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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2005, 05:02:00 PM »
See you knew what I was trying to convey.
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