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« Reply #105 on: March 21, 2005, 08:29:00 PM »
My oh My this sounds a lot like the old TV Show, "Who Do You Trust?" Seems like no one's word is safe is it? Is everybody sitting back re-thinking, "Now exactly what did I tell her and when?"  What a way to gage confidences, right?
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« Reply #106 on: March 22, 2005, 06:22:00 PM »
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Also to the LEGAL-KNOW-IT-ALL --- the two issues ARE similar at LAW: BOTH deal with FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS & PROTECTIONS of those RIGHTS.



Oh, and just in case those HOLDING THE EVIDENCE don't know: IT IS NOT PROTECTED OR PRIVILEGED INFORMATION, so don't let the legal-eagle-wannabe try to dupe you into believing that you can't release it to the public. In other words: POST AWAY!!!


I agree.  There is no extortion issue here.  The only possible claim would be based on libel.  Something people don't realize is that when people sue for libel, they are faced with the possibility of the defense of truth.  People will usually threaten to sue for libel to scare people, but will drop the case before anything harnful to their reputation becomes a matter of public record and hits the news.  

But I must admit that it's entertaining to come on here and read posts by a person who thinks he knows a lot about the law and really doesn't know shit, and can't even understand the statute he tries to talk about.

Shelby will be just fine.

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« Reply #107 on: March 22, 2005, 06:54:00 PM »
Everybody playing legal-eagle trying to figure out if they can talk on a forun anonymously. Isn't this something else? Guess everyone is afraid the ole process server might show up at their door next, huh? Guess that's what tickles the lady's fancy, or just maybe attorneys are the only people some people have left to talk to these days. Some people do have a way of running off friends I suppose. Processors do that, you know?
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« Reply #108 on: March 22, 2005, 07:53:00 PM »
Cliche man is here.

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"Everybody playing legal-eagle trying to figure out if they can talk on a forun anonymously. Isn't this something else? Guess everyone is afraid the ole process server might show up at their door next, huh? Guess that's what tickles the lady's fancy, or just maybe attorneys are the only people some people have left to talk to these days. Some people do have a way of running off friends I suppose. Processors do that, you know?"
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« Reply #109 on: March 22, 2005, 08:50:00 PM »
http://www.palgrave.com/skills4study/ht ... riting.htm

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On 2005-03-18 13:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"the truth about ISAC is getting out   that's what people don't like"


And, if I'm not mistaken (which is surely a possability) you're the same person who opnened this can of worms w/ "ISAC SUED BY WWASP/BOB LICHFIELD"

That's a backhanded way of saying something about WWASP and Bob Lichfield. But I haven't seen a single statment about ISAC, true or not.

I'll shut up now.

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« Reply #110 on: March 22, 2005, 09:06:00 PM »
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Also to the LEGAL-KNOW-IT-ALL --- the two issues ARE similar at LAW: BOTH deal with FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS & PROTECTIONS of those RIGHTS.





Oh, and just in case those HOLDING THE EVIDENCE don't know: IT IS NOT PROTECTED OR PRIVILEGED INFORMATION, so don't let the legal-eagle-wannabe try to dupe you into believing that you can't release it to the public. In other words: POST AWAY!!!




I agree.  There is no extortion issue here.  The only possible claim would be based on libel.  Something people don't realize is that when people sue for libel, they are faced with the possibility of the defense of truth.  People will usually threaten to sue for libel to scare people, but will drop the case before anything harnful to their reputation becomes a matter of public record and hits the news.  



But I must admit that it's entertaining to come on here and read posts by a person who thinks he knows a lot about the law and really doesn't know shit, and can't even understand the statute he tries to talk about.



Shelby will be just fine.



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Freedom of Speech; some legal precedents.

Defamatory speech (oral or written) that harms anothers reputation may not be protected under the First Amendment. Speech that is written is termed libel and such oral speech is termed slander.  

The truth of the speech in question is a defense against a defamation charge.  But the statement at issue must be true in whole, not in part.  For instance, if the accusation is that  X defrauded and decieved Y,  it is not sufficient to show that  X  has been accused or convicted of fraud previously.  But it is not necessary to prove every detail. For example, saying X defrauded Y of $25,000, the charge is still justifiable even if it is shown  that the amount was only $2,500.00

Paraphrased from West's Business Law, 6th Edition, 1995

Other defenses to to defamation may exist. And some utterances ae considered actionable in themselves. These four definitions are:

1. A statement that another has a loathsome communicable disease. (Usually interpreted as STD)

2. A statement that another has committed improprieties while engaging in a profession or trade.

3. A statement that another has committed or has been imprisoned for a serious crime.

4. A statement that an unmarried woman is unchaste.


But of course we've never seen anything like that around here, Never!...Well, hardly ever.

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« Reply #111 on: March 22, 2005, 09:13:00 PM »
I really should turn off that random quote option too.

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« Reply #112 on: March 22, 2005, 09:19:00 PM »
The statement doesn't have to be true.  If a jury finds that the defendant reasonably believed the statement to be true, then the defendant will win.  Take a look at the transcript of WWASPS v. PURE, which is probably linked on here somewhere, but I found it on ISAC.  It's several hundred pages, but you can just look at the jury's verdict toward the end.  The standard of proof was higher in this case because WWASPS was in the category of "public figure."  To find PURE, et al. liable, the jury would have had to find she made false statements with actual malice.

Does anyone remember the Jerry Falwell v. Hustler case?  Fun stuff.  They printed a Campari ad where they had been having different celebrities talk about their first time drinking Campari.  The ads sort of had a sexual connotation about the "first time."  Anyway, they had Falwell talking about how his first time was in an outhouse with his mother.  It was friggin' hilarious.  He sued over it and lost, because it was so obviously a joke.  It doesn't really relate much to any case against ISAC or anything, but I thought it was funny.  I guess the point is that when you have a public role, you have to put up with more shit than the rest of us.  And no one on the jury felt sorry for the WWASPs people who make a bazillion dollars a year.
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« Reply #113 on: March 23, 2005, 01:44:00 PM »
Thanks, Anon above!  I considered adding some similar info but thought it would be a bore. Do you have more legal knowledge to share?

Maybe I've missed something but ...
Has there actually been a suit filed by WWASPS against ISAC?  Or is it just a rumor?  The 1st post gave a case #, but not where the suit was filed.

Would  the documents filing the suit be public record?  That is would a private citizen be able to review the allegations?
What damages or injury is WWASPS claiming?
If anyone knows please answer.

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« Reply #114 on: March 23, 2005, 01:47:00 PM »
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On 2005-03-23 10:44:00, Erinys wrote:

"Thanks, Anon above!  I considered adding some similar info but thought it would be a bore. Do you have more legal knowledge to share?



Maybe I've missed something but ...

Has there actually been a suit filed by WWASPS against ISAC?  Or is it just a rumor?  The 1st post gave a case #, but not where the suit was filed.



Would  the documents filing the suit be public record?  That is would a private citizen be able to review the allegations?

What damages or injury is WWASPS claiming?

If anyone knows please answer.



The time appears to me to have come when it is the duty of all to make their dissent from religion known.
--John Stuart Mill

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I don't know if this helps, but I think a copy of the court action has been posted at another forum (maybe Voy or one of those).  I have seen people talking about it during my travels today.
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« Reply #116 on: March 23, 2005, 02:05:00 PM »
General Message:

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That's what comes up.
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« Reply #117 on: March 23, 2005, 02:14:00 PM »
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That's what comes up."


VOY seems to be locking the link.  It's in the Jamaica School's forum.  Sorry, I tried to make it easy for everyone.
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« Reply #118 on: March 23, 2005, 02:15:00 PM »
whoops sorry "blocking" not locking
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« Reply #119 on: March 23, 2005, 04:44:00 PM »
Maybe ask someone at ISAC, or of course we could just ask Sue.
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