Terri Schiavo

[Anonymous]

Bottom line: Terri Schiavo was killed by a probabte judge who relied upon heresay evidence provided by Terri's legal guardian, her husband Michael Schiavo.

Gibbs was/is the Schindler family attorney, not Terri's.  Terri never had a court-appointed attorney of her own.

The MRI and the PET scan would only have shed considerable more light on Terri's medical condition and both could and should have been ordered by Judge Greer.

What happened to Terri Schiavo on March 31, 2005 was not an act of mercy.  It was a court-ordered killing based on woefully UNRELIABLE evidence.

Those of you who believe Terri was in a PVS (persistent vegetative state) need to consider the sworn affidavits of those who cared for Terri and ask yourselves why, in the face of such overwhelming contradictory evidence, a judge in Florida had the POWER to order the killing of a brain-injured citizen of the United States of America.

 :eek:

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-06 09:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Bottom line: Terri Schiavo was killed by a probabte judge who relied upon heresay evidence provided by Terri's legal guardian, her husband Michael Schiavo.

No, that's not the bottom line, that's your opinion.

Gibbs was/is the Schindler family attorney, not Terri's.  Terri never had a court-appointed attorney of her own.

Guardian Ad Litem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The MRI and the PET scan would only have shed considerable more light on Terri's medical condition and both could and should have been ordered by Judge Greer.

No, it really wouldn't have.  Once again because it obviously bears repeating.....SHE HAD NO CEREBRAL CORTEX!!!!  Do you understand what that means?

What happened to Terri Schiavo on March 31, 2005 was not an act of mercy.  It was a court-ordered killing based on woefully UNRELIABLE evidence.

Again, your opinion.

Those of you who believe Terri was in a PVS (persistent vegetative state)

There is no believing or not believing it, she WAS in a PVS.

 

need to consider the sworn affidavits of those who cared for Terri and ask yourselves why, in the face of such overwhelming contradictory evidence, a judge in Florida had the POWER to order the killing of a brain-injured citizen of the United States of America.

"

Overwhelming evidence???  Where? Specifics please.

[Anonymous]

MULTIPLE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST

Greer?s list of campaign contributors show multiple conflicts of interest.  Michhel Schiavo?s attorneys contributed to keep Greer on the bench and the Schiavo case as did Richard La Belle, member of the board of directors for the Advocacy Center for Persons with Disabilities, an agency statutorily charged to investigate allegations of abuse.

According to a news release issued in October, 2003, by ACPD announcing its entry into the Schiavo case, it is their federal mandate pursuant to 29 USC Section794(a) and 42 USC Secton 1504 3(a)(2)(B) as the designated Protection and Advocacy Agency for the State of Florida to investigate complaints of abuse and/or neglect against persons with disabilities.

But the ACPD investigation dead-ended, with La Belle recently quoted as saying that the group needed Michael Schiavo?s permission to examine Terri and that Schiavo had refused. La Belle said that although the agency had reviewed court files and other medical records that were available, the investigation could not go forward because the medical expert needed to examine Terri before rendering any decision if she had been mistreated.

Greer allegedly raised one of the biggest war chests ever in a judicial campaign with contributions over $144,000.

The contributors included members of the Michael Schiavo legal team, Hamden Baskin III, $500; Deborah Bushnell, $250; Felos and Felos of which lead Schiavo attorney George Felos is a principal, $250; Gynethe S. Stanley, $150 and $250; Steven Nilsson, $250 and $250.  

The maximum contribution allowed by an individual is $500.

Felos is also the former chairman of the board of the Hospice of Florida Suncoast, owners and operators of the Woodside Hospice where Terri resides although not in a terminal illness?not terminal except by the judicial homicide decree of Judge Greer.  Felos resigned his position after he and Michael Schiavo were successful several years ago in having her moved there.  Although the recipient of over $1.5 million from medical malpractice claims including $750,000 earmarked for the rehabilitation of his wife, Michael Schiavo asked Greer to place Terri on Medicaid and Greer approved. Schiavo and his fiancé each drive Mercedes sedans and reside in an above average home with their two children.

Also contributing to keep Greer in office and on the Schiavo case were Kay Dillinger, $250, wife of Bob Dillinger, the Pinellas County public defender who allegedly violated state statutes by allowing employees of his office, assistant Paula Shea, and the prestige of the office to be used in Greer?s campaign in Greer?s political TV commercial; James Hellickson, $150, assistant state attorney from the office of Bernie McCabe, state attorney of Pasco/Pinellas Counties who has stonewalled any investigation of alleged criminal wrongdoing in the Schiavo case including the DCF investigation.

Anthony Battaglia, former chief assistant U.S. attorney, and his law firm, Battaglia, Ross, Dicus and Wien each contributed $250 to Greer?s reelection.

Battaglia has served as chairman of the Judicial Nominating Commission for Pinellas/Pasco Counties, charged with nominating judicial candidates to the governor for appointments to higher judgeships.  

Kelly Crabb, a principal in the Battaglia law firm, is past chairperson of the Hospice Foundation of Florida Suncoast and Hospice board member.

For a complete list of contributors to George Greer?s 2004 campaign, see http://election.dos.state.fl.us/campfin ... b.asp#both .

[Anonymous]

Other potential conflicts of interest, involving the hospice are summarized here. Try Googling some of these names and see where it leads you:

Judge George Greer
Judge John Lenderman
Martha Lenderman
Barbara Sheen Todd
George Felos
Mary Laybak
Euthanasia Society of America
Hemlock for Hospice
Attorney Jonathan Alpert
Gus Michael Bilirakis

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-06 09:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Other potential conflicts of interest, involving the hospice are summarized here. Try Googling some of these names and see where it leads you:



Judge George Greer

Judge John Lenderman

Martha Lenderman

Barbara Sheen Todd

George Felos

Mary Laybak

Euthanasia Society of America

Hemlock for Hospice

Attorney Jonathan Alpert

Gus Michael Bilirakis

"

It ain't gonna fly with me.  I know and work with quite a few of them.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-06 10:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

On 2005-04-06 09:56:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Other potential conflicts of interest, involving the hospice are summarized here. Try Googling some of these names and see where it leads you:





Judge George Greer


Judge John Lenderman


Martha Lenderman


Barbara Sheen Todd


George Felos


Mary Laybak


Euthanasia Society of America


Hemlock for Hospice


Attorney Jonathan Alpert


Gus Michael Bilirakis


"

It ain't gonna fly with me.  I know and work with quite a few of them.  "

Whoops ... so sorry if I touched a nerve regarding your own "conflict of interest" Anon.

 :scared:

[Anonymous]

You didn't touch any nerve sweetheart.  I've worked with these people, I know them...not well, I'm just a lowly servant  :lol: .  I know of their politics, how they've ruled on or tried particular cases etc.  They're not friends of mine by any sense of the word.  The only reason I said that was that you're trying to educate me on the politics of Pinellas County and I'm well versed in them.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-06 10:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You didn't touch any nerve sweetheart.  I've worked with these people, I know them...not well, I'm just a lowly servant  :scared:

[Anonymous]

Some food for thought ...

Excerpt:

"L. Ron Hubbard's "we would rather have you dead than incapable" remark was in reference to those enslaved in Scientology, but its relevance to the drama in Clearwater Florida is evident. Indeed, Hubbard's death philosophy was echoed by the 2nd District Appeals judges who indicated that Terri Schiavo has only two choices: A miracle or death!

See: Disability is not an Option in the New World Order.

Scientology and Death

Scientologists do not view death in the same manner as the general population:

Of course death is not a big deal for Scientologists. It is called "dropping the body" and the body is regarded as a hindrance and a distraction.

Scientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard, believed that when a man dies it simply means that his thetan (spirit) separates from his body. The thetan then "picks up another body" and lives again. L. Ron Hubbard's belief in reincarnation?which George Felos shares?is the foundation for his frightening doctrines about death and the disabled.

Scientologists believe that it is only through Scientology that the mechanics of death have been thoroughly understood. L. Ron Hubbard  boasted about Scientology's supposed superior knowledge of death:

"We are actually the first people that do know a great deal about death. It is one of the larger successes of Scientology."

The online book, The Phenomena of Death, reveals that L. Ron Hubbard believed that death, which he called "losing your body," was on the same level of importance as losing your pocketbook!

In the book, History of Man, Hubbard wrote,

"The possession of a ... body is a liability for through that body the being can be given pain, can be regimented by the routine demands of eating and care from harm ... Today we live in a vast cult called Worship the body. Medical doctors, school teachers, parents, traffic officers, the whole society unites into this war-cry, Care for the body." (Chapter 4) 6

Do Scientologists, who favor death rather than disability, play a significant role in the Terri Schiavo case? I believe the answer is "Yes." Clearwater Florida, especially downtown Clearwater, is Scientology's worldwide spiritual headquarters and main training ground. The Flag Service Organization, located in Clearwater, provides the highest level of Scientology training and is the largest single Scientology "church" in the world! Scientology brochures claim that Clearwater Florida has the "largest community of Scientologists in the world." Back in 1998, the "church" of Scientology generated from 1.5 to 2 million dollars of income per week! This material success enables them to maintain ownership of tens of millions of dollars worth of property (about 40 buildings) as well as many businesses:

To date, the church owns more than $50-million in Clearwater-area properties and is nearing completion of a $50-million Mediterranean Revival-style building nicknamed "Super Power." Additionally, the church now has 565 hotel rooms in and near downtown for visiting Scientologists who consider Clearwater their spiritual mecca."

http://libertytothecaptives.net/sciento ... ction.html

And the beat goes on .....

 :eek:

[Carmel]

Unfortunately, the more I look into Judge Greer, Felos, the Scientology connection in Clearwater and other factors which may or may not have played a role in the court-ordered removal of Terri's feeding tubes, the more convinced I am that Terri was the victim of a corrupt, morally bankrupt system of justice.

Of course she was, thank goodness her husband stuck it out and maintained his strength for her so that she could be be freed from corrupt justice and moral bankruptcy!

What exactly would have been different had Terri been in possession of her own lawyer?  Would she have given him new and breaking information not previously considered?  You keep on demanding that the forms be followed when there is nothing to follow them with.

The moral majority were literally kicking a dead horse.  Stand up and be healed Terri!  That way no one has to be accountable or feel pain or loss or have to make hurtful decisions in which we have no faith.

Im sorry Anon, but you just keep spouting the same thing over and over and over....she was MURDERED, KILLED, and so on.  Why are you so afraid of truly probing the larger implications of the situation? In all your righteousness, do you not beleive that Terri is in a better place were she belongs?  If you are going to pontificate, I am going to hold you to your beliefs.  Ditch your pitchforking, torch burning fear for a moment and answer the questions.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-06 12:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Some food for thought ...



Excerpt:



"L. Ron Hubbard's "we would rather have you dead than incapable" remark was in reference to those enslaved in Scientology, but its relevance to the drama in Clearwater Florida is evident. Indeed, Hubbard's death philosophy was echoed by the 2nd District Appeals judges who indicated that Terri Schiavo has only two choices: A miracle or death!



See: Disability is not an Option in the New World Order.



Scientology and Death



Scientologists do not view death in the same manner as the general population:



Of course death is not a big deal for Scientologists. It is called "dropping the body" and the body is regarded as a hindrance and a distraction.



Scientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard, believed that when a man dies it simply means that his thetan (spirit) separates from his body. The thetan then "picks up another body" and lives again. L. Ron Hubbard's belief in reincarnation?which George Felos shares?is the foundation for his frightening doctrines about death and the disabled.



Scientologists believe that it is only through Scientology that the mechanics of death have been thoroughly understood. L. Ron Hubbard  boasted about Scientology's supposed superior knowledge of death:



"We are actually the first people that do know a great deal about death. It is one of the larger successes of Scientology."



The online book, The Phenomena of Death, reveals that L. Ron Hubbard believed that death, which he called "losing your body," was on the same level of importance as losing your pocketbook!



In the book, History of Man, Hubbard wrote,



"The possession of a ... body is a liability for through that body the being can be given pain, can be regimented by the routine demands of eating and care from harm ... Today we live in a vast cult called Worship the body. Medical doctors, school teachers, parents, traffic officers, the whole society unites into this war-cry, Care for the body." (Chapter 4) 6



Do Scientologists, who favor death rather than disability, play a significant role in the Terri Schiavo case? I believe the answer is "Yes." Clearwater Florida, especially downtown Clearwater, is Scientology's worldwide spiritual headquarters and main training ground. The Flag Service Organization, located in Clearwater, provides the highest level of Scientology training and is the largest single Scientology "church" in the world! Scientology brochures claim that Clearwater Florida has the "largest community of Scientologists in the world." Back in 1998, the "church" of Scientology generated from 1.5 to 2 million dollars of income per week! This material success enables them to maintain ownership of tens of millions of dollars worth of property (about 40 buildings) as well as many businesses:



To date, the church owns more than $50-million in Clearwater-area properties and is nearing completion of a $50-million Mediterranean Revival-style building nicknamed "Super Power." Additionally, the church now has 565 hotel rooms in and near downtown for visiting Scientologists who consider Clearwater their spiritual mecca."



http://libertytothecaptives.net/sciento ... ction.html



And the beat goes on .....



 :eek:

FYI:

Terri was confined in Park Place, an assisted living facility located on Drew Street, in downtown Clearwater, Florida.

Not sure when she was moved to the other hospice where she ultimately died.

[Carmel]

Second, my views and opinions have nothing to do with my religious/spiritual beliefs.  

Do you concede then, that you maintain two separate sets of moral standards?  One that agrees with your spirituality and one that,lets say....agrees with Prime Time reality TV?

Do you maintain that your spiritual beliefs are never reflected in your opinions of morality and death?  Talk about scary.

May I ask if you even have spiritual beliefs?  Seems to me that if what you say above is truly the case....then your view of morality is strictly self serving and unfit to judge the choices of others.  

People spend their whole lives trying to please and placate a God they wont trust when it comes down to the wire.

[Anonymous]

My, my, my.  The conspiracy theorists are working overtime now, aren't they?

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-06 12:33:00, Carmel wrote:

"

Unfortunately, the more I look into Judge Greer, Felos, the Scientology connection in Clearwater and other factors which may or may not have played a role in the court-ordered removal of Terri's feeding tubes, the more convinced I am that Terri was the victim of a corrupt, morally bankrupt system of justice.

Of course she was, thank goodness her husband stuck it out and maintained his strength for her so that she could be be freed from corrupt justice and moral bankruptcy!



What exactly would have been different had Terri been in possession of her own lawyer?  Would she have given him new and breaking information not previously considered?  You keep on demanding that the forms be followed when there is nothing to follow them with.



The moral majority were literally kicking a dead horse.  Stand up and be healed Terri!  That way no one has to be accountable or feel pain or loss or have to make hurtful decisions in which we have no faith.



Im sorry Anon, but you just keep spouting the same thing over and over and over....she was MURDERED, KILLED, and so on.  Why are you so afraid of truly probing the larger implications of the situation? In all your righteousness, do you not beleive that Terri is in a better place were she belongs?  If you are going to pontificate, I am going to hold you to your beliefs.  Ditch your pitchforking, torch burning fear for a moment and answer the questions.    "

Sorry Carmel, but I am not afraid of "probing" anything.  In fact, that's exactly what I'm doing and why I have come to the conclusion that
Terri Schindler-Schiavo was unjustly sentenced to death.

As for your belief that Terri is in a "better place" where she "belongs", I simply do not understand that kind of logic because in my mind, the ends to not justify the means.

Clear enough?

 :smokin:

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-06 12:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"My, my, my.  The conspiracy theorists are working overtime now, aren't they?"

No conspiracy ... Terri was freed from her worthless body by the death squad.

Justice was served.