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What Makes Sue Scheff so "Nice?"
« on: March 16, 2005, 11:26:00 AM »
Every time a question is asked about Sue Scheff and her organiztion, P.U.R.E. and why she is trusted to refer parents to various schools, and why she is so successful, and why people do business with her, etc. etc.

The answer always seems to be the same:
"Because she is so 'NICE.'"

I do not know her, but what makes this person appear so universally NICE?
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2005, 11:42:00 AM »
Nice?
Can't say I've ever seen her discribed as Nice.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2005, 04:01:00 PM »
Don't you know that the more you put this woman out in front of the reader's the more she will gain from it?
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2005, 06:09:00 PM »
Why would you think that?

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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2005, 07:13:00 PM »
I wonder what on earth you people are trying to do here. First of all, don't you have better things to talk about than thsi woman? And, what about the kids? What are they going to think when they see you spending so much damn time bashing someone. Wow, you folks really have some serious issues - far more than I thought at first. What a waste of time.
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2005, 07:42:00 PM »
Who's bashing anyone? Just asking a question. Why would this upset any kid?
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2005, 12:24:00 AM »
No one is bashing anyone.  We've tried over and over again to have an honest to goodness two way[/b] discussion on a lot of these forums lately and it just doesn't seem possible.  We're asking questions.  The majority of us around here have a direct connection and experience with these types of programs.  I was in my own hell hole for two years.  I also have two teenagers so I've I've got a two-fold interest in these places.  Every single one that pops up says they're the latest and greatest or new and improved or kinder and gentler or whatever term wiil make them look like the sane ones.  The problem is that this whole industry is insane.  It is flawed at its very inception.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=20#88195

The above is one reason.  Parents today are IMO, out of touch with their expectations and the realities of life.  There is so much pressure from school systems, the panic and quoting of abritrary and questionable statistics about violence/drugs etc., tv ads for prescription drugs (who have a huge stake in both sides of this), volatile custody disputes etc.  that parents are sitting ducks for people in this type of industry.  They''ve been bombarded with horror stories and "just say no" campaigns and DARE programs and daytime TV with almost every single one doing at least a few shows on "rebellious teens" and then sending them off to whatever program is willing to barter the fee for the free publicity they'll get off of the airing of the show, that whenever a kid shows any of these "symptoms" of whatever "disorder" parents are completely freaked out and are vulnerable to the latest pitch.  Whew! :razz: Long run-on sentence...sorry.  BTW, have you checked out the questionnaires and checklists for symptoms of 'trouble'?  Its pathetic.  It could describe most any normal teenager at some point or another in their lives.

I've said this a lot of times, but our job as parents is not to turn out these perfect little people....our job is to teach them, to guide them through life and its lessons. Its not an easy job by any means, BELIEVE me I know.   But there is a point that you reach where you have to let them go and trust that they'll learn what they need to and live a happy life.  There were times in my older daughters life that I was absolutely clueless as to what to do to help her.   Very long story short, I had to let her go her own way and learn on her own the lessons I couldn't teach her.  There are[/b] those lessons...the ones that can't be taught, they have to be learned through experience, sometimes unfortunately.  It was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do in my life.  Unless the kid is in ?imminent danger and I mean IMMINENT...."treatment" cannot and should not be forced.  It serves no usefull purpose and very often does damage and lots of it.

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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2005, 01:03:00 AM »
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On 2005-03-16 16:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Who's bashing anyone? Just asking a question. Why would this upset any kid?"


In all fairness, this thread started out asking "what's so nice abut Sue". There are other threads asking questions much more relavent to PURE as a business.

At the same time, Cayo is right. A few people have asked those other questions a lot of times of Sue and of other people who are affiliated w/ her (Hi Lee, nice to see you dropping in again  :wave: ) While she claims she never ever wastes her time on rediculous, vindictive people like those who come across these fora, it's a matter of public record that she's sued over content here. So she must read at least some of it. But she's too good to answer a few simple questions?

And I've asked her over the phone how she determines what is a good, safe and effective program for the kids she recomends be sent to them. I made two attempts by phone. Both times, she changed the subject and had to go when that topic came up.

So then I sent an enquirey to their online form labeled "Click here for more info" What I got back (and posted here as soon as I got it) was a message telling me what a GOOD mom I was for contacting them for help w/ my 14yo who dressed in black and didn't want me seeing him half dressed. No information about their programs, just a little stroke and a request to call them so we could talk heart to heart about my very big problem.

Hey, if I had a good, simple answer to the question "So, what do you do instead?" I'd use it myself and then spread it all over the world. This lady makes a good living offering an alternative to the better known abusive teen rehabs, but refuses to explain what that alternative is to anyone who doesn't take every word that proceedeth from her mouth as the gospel truth.

I can understand the level of frustration, though. I can also understand why people believe her and think she's so nice. She is charming and engaging and charismatic. And, more than that, I think she believes herself. That's more compelling for most of us than almost anything.

This all grew out of her request to be listed in Anonanon. If you look, you'll notice that I list a lot of information there, but not a single recomendation. I was considering it and very hopeful that this champion against WWASP would come up w/ some really good answers.

I've never said "don't do that, do this instead" except to say just do it yourself. That's a bitter pill to swollow for a lot of people. I don't even like it myself, to tell you the truth. I wish there were some panacea. But, so far, the best I can come up with is "do it yourself" or, maybe, sometimes better, "let someone you know well and trust completely do it" like a relative or something. But I've looked high and low and I can't find anyone who raises difficult kids for pay and does it better than, or even half as well as, even a pretty poor parent or some other person of the kid's own choosing.

That's not bashing anybody. I'm just looking for answers.

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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2005, 12:34:00 PM »
Talk to parents who were referred to programs that turned out to be abusive--they will tell you they were referred to the abusive program by Sue Sheff and believed her because she was so helpful and "nice." She does come across as nice. Maybe she really is just a nice person that just thinks these place are good. Could that be it? But then again, she can't advertise that these schools are safer, accredited, non-abusive and all that, just because that's what she THINKS, right?
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2005, 02:04:00 PM »
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Hey, if I had a good, simple answer to the question "So, what do you do instead?" I'd use it myself and then spread it all over the world. This lady makes a good living offering an alternative to the better known abusive teen rehabs, but refuses to explain what that alternative is to anyone who doesn't take every word that proceedeth from her mouth as the gospel truth.




I don't know what you call a good living, but from what I read in the information that is public.  I couldn't last a month on that amount?
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2005, 12:21:00 AM »
Believe me, every word that comes out of Sue Scheff's mouth is far far far from the gospel truth!
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2005, 10:14:00 AM »
Why won't Sue Scheff come on this forum and answer a few simple questions? She loves to write lengthy emails...and writes well.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2005, 12:23:00 PM »
Does the words FRAUD for money sound familiar?
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2005, 01:25:00 PM »
How's that?  What FRAUD?
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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2005, 09:47:00 AM »
Thought Whitmore Academy was one of the alternatives to the bad WWASP programs. Where to now, Sue?
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