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« Reply #135 on: April 20, 2005, 07:44:00 PM »
I am a parent.  Thanx.
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« Reply #136 on: April 20, 2005, 10:01:00 PM »
Mrs. Grey again you cry and moan but your hypocricy shines through. You have called me and others a liar on several occasions. Why now bitch when others myself espically do the same thing back to you? Perhaps youve forgotten the many many times youve called me alone a liar. I suppose it wouldnt surprise me considering all the other many other things youve conviently forgotten. Let me know and ill gladly post a few examples for you.

Also lets talk about this you being asked not to post my initials? By whom Mrs. Grey. After all you made it very clear some time ago that you were not in contact with Ol Marty, Bucci or any of the gang. So tell me, who exactly told you not to mention my initials? Give it up Mrs. Grey, you know nothing and even if you did you have nothing. Remember Mrs. Grey all of my statements can be backed up, not quite the same with yours now is it? By all means Mrs. Grey tell your friends whom you swear you arent in contact with to roll the dice and see what is brought down on them. But still lets see if you can offer simply my first initial. Come on Mrs. Grey back up something just once, show me if you are even capable of such an act. My first initial Mrs. Grey, you can do that cant you youve got a 1 out of 26 chance of guessing it right. Tell us Mrs. Grey what are Bucci and Marty afraid of if all Im doing is making things up?


To Juniper and the other parent who asked. Yes strip searches did at least at one point go on. And no at last check HLA has not been licensed as they should be. It is without a question an abusive facility Id be happy to answer any questions of yours as best I can.
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« Reply #137 on: April 20, 2005, 10:15:00 PM »
Robert,
  How do you know so much about HLA?

  The children are still strip searched, is it legal? Do you have any suggestions at to who I
 wouldcontact  to find out?  Even if we choose to leave HLA, there are still other children left
behind... They are just all so secretive...
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« Reply #138 on: April 20, 2005, 11:13:00 PM »
Robert why dont you talk to Juniper instead of ONCE AGAIN getting on my case over a post way up there in the thread? Couldnt resist could you? LOL Anyway, for your information, it wasnt anybody at HLA who asked me not to post your initials. It was my husband, who thought I would be stooping to your level by doing it. Since you so kindly keep on calling me by a name I no longer use even after I asked you not to about 14 times. I havent talked to Dr. B since 2001. I havent talked to Marty since 2001. I do talk to my ex since we have a child together. And I post on here of my own accord, I am no stooge of anybody, I found this place out by accident. Whether or not they read or post here is their business. So no I wont post your initials because he thought it would be tacky. Kinda like you posting my last name repeatedly.(even though its not my name now)

Juniper, Robert is an ex student, but I cant remember the specifics of when he was there, its been awhile though, youd have to ask him when he was.  My affiliation with the school was from 1994 prior to opening, til 2001. I lived on campus from 1997-2001, and also was an employee for about a year or so as a teacher's clerical asst. I was married to one of its employees for that 7 yr time period mentioned. My mother and father in law also lived on campus from 1995-2001. Robert considers everything I type to be lies and also considers me to be an idiot and some other choice words. I consider alot, maybe not all, but alot of what Robert types to be over exxagerations and partial truths. Obviously we dont see eye to eye. That being said, hopefully all will go ok with your particular child and they will be fine. As far as goose feces covered fields. It is true that Canadian geese when in migration happen to favor Hidden Lake as a stop off point for weeks maybe months at a time. Ive fed them many times myself with my children (I had 3 small ones at that time) I personally never saw any students doing pushups in the field where the geese were or having to use the bathroom in an open field either. They do have bathroom facilities near most of the fields, so not sure what happened to make the children go in a field??? Id have to question that one. But anyway, I am just telling you what I observed while I was there. I dont know about right now. I certainly understand parental concern when youre not there to see for yourself. Hopefully the bickering on this board will subside soon.
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« Reply #139 on: April 20, 2005, 11:28:00 PM »
All activities are done on that field, including restrictions; and, yes , unfortunately it was
confirmed by staff that children are not permitted to use the bathroom..it is called'hit
the wood line'. I, along with other families are appauled.  The Canadian Geese are a dangerous health risk to humans, especially young children
without fully developed lungs.  Look it up on
line.  The Health Departments have shut down contaminated ball fields because of this and they weren't anything like this.  You were very fortunate with your young children, as their feces are highly bacterial.  We have known that for years.  It is disgusting.  During workshop,
a family had a young puppy and went to the field
and scooped the puppy right up.  It wasn't fit
for their dog and they brought their little
baggies with them.
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« Reply #140 on: April 21, 2005, 01:29:00 AM »
I used to work at HLA and my time there was mixed.  I loved working with the students but I did not agree with some of the things I was required to do.  Is there anything particular that you want to know?  I can tell you that most students who attend the school do not like it but if I was there age I would not like it either.  I have seen the program work for some students and not for others.  Alot of families I worked with was pleased with the progress of their child.  The program is very strict, becuase it is set up to help change the behaviors that has been detrimental to the students and families.  The school is like any other place.  There are some things that needs to be reworked and added and there are some things that work extremely well.  But if you have any specific questions let me know.

Thank You,

Antonio
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« Reply #141 on: April 21, 2005, 07:02:00 AM »
(taken from http://www.canadageese.org)

Public Health
Those looking to justify the killing of Canada geese turn to the use of scare tactics with remarkable predictability. The strategy involves creating the illusion that Canada geese are a threat to public health. The mere assertion that a "health issue" exists has been an effective way to generate fear about the presence of Canada geese and an artificial urgency about what must be done. Interestingly, among the most outspoken on this issue are individuals who are unqualified to make health risk assessments. Park managers, rangers, hunters, outdoor columnists, wildlife managers, mayors, etc., are suspiciously too willing to offer their epidemiological assessments despite their lack of credentials. The origin of their information can usually be traced to something they were told by one of the other unqualified parties. While less common, there are cases where allegedly qualified individuals (i.e., health commissioners) render false information under political pressure from anti-goose forces.

In most cases, the health scare does not involve the geese per se, but rather, their droppings. The basis of the argument is that Canada geese must be killed because goose droppings contain human pathogens (disease-causing bacteria). As has been pointed out in the literature by Weiner, et al. (Applied and Environmental Microbiology, Aug. 1979, p. 258), and at a public presentation in Rockland County, New York (Sept. 22, 1993), by Dr. Milton Friend, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Waterfowl Infectious Disease Specialist, Canada geese are not carriers of microorganisms (pathogens) that significantly threaten public health.

In fact, in New York, the Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) attempted to strengthen their campaign against geese by testing goose droppings for human pathogens. (It is interesting to note that these tests were carried out after they had already claimed that geese were a " threat." The outcome of their study was never publicized because they were unable to prove their point. They managed to confirm what was already known: Canada geese do not pose a health threat even remotely serious enough to justify their mass destruction. The Coalition has contacted the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and various state health departments on this matter and these sources have indicated that no human illnesses have been linked to the presence of Canada geese in the suburban setting. Yet, as indicated in a 1991 report from the Town of Greenwich, Conn., none of this is news:


"Examination of goose droppings showed only expected bacteria in normal concentrations (Carolyn Baisley, Director of Environmental Health and Laboratory for the Town of Greenwich, pers. comm.). To date, state pathologists know of no cases where human illness can be ascribed to goose droppings (fide The Northeastern Research Center for Wildlife Diseases, Pathology Department, University of Connecticut). Indeed, only a few diseases can be transmitted to humans from birds. Thus, it appears that the primary concern is the unsightly and unpleasant concentrations of droppings rather than a health risk."

-Management of the Canada Goose in the Town of Greenwich, Conservation Commission position paper, page 4, Greenwich, CT, February, 7, 1991.



After making the health issue the central theme of an anti-goose campaign, and after the slaughter of 251 Canada geese (including several goslings) in Clarkstown, NY, came the admission that the health scare was unfounded (NY Times, 9/9/96 article, "Goose Round-up Flopped, But Mayor is Undaunted").
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« Reply #142 on: April 21, 2005, 08:27:00 AM »
I know where you are coming from. I went to HLA and my post you referred to comes from someone with experience. I hated the program. It did nothing for me at all, but I am not going to go around arguing moot points and dealing with people who just aren't capable of telling it how it is.
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« Reply #143 on: April 21, 2005, 08:34:00 AM »
Ok, just to clear something up. I went to HLA and was a "student" there for over 20 months and I know how much of a hell hole that place is. However, I come here to find out what is going on right now at the school and if the crap that I had to deal with is still present. I left in 2002 and am still permanately scarred from the experience. I was just looking for some people that might have some advice for me on how to find ex students and faculty so we could share stories and maybe even DO something about the horrible things that go down in that valley behind Mt. Furgi
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« Reply #144 on: April 21, 2005, 08:45:00 AM »
I just have to say something to that. Upon first arriving at HLA, I was asked to step into the bathroom with two women I didnt know and strip completely naked in front of them. I didn't do it. No way was I going to do something like that. I am a 5'9'' 130 lbs female with a bit of a top heavy problem and there was no way I was going to strip down in front of these people. I refused, and when I did so the one with the curly red hair (ugliest woman I'd ever seen) got on her walkie talkie and radioed Lee the dean that I was refusing and that she needed him. I began to walk towards the door and when i pushed on it, it didnt budge. Someone on the other side was holding it shut. Now, I am a very strong person and had that been a woman I could have easily pushed that door open. Strip searches are immoral and degrading, and should never be used on children in any case. I swear I will have to deal with that mortifying imprint on the back of my mind every time I see that sort of thing on television.
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« Reply #145 on: April 21, 2005, 09:01:00 AM »
My GOD woman, do you have a CLUE? There were push ups and more push ups. And then there were front back goes. And enough PT to make you sick. I should know I got sick from dehydration at least 6 times. There were no bathrooms outside until last year when they built the fieldhouse down on Lower Left. Even now, most of the restrictions counselors make the kids "go use the woodline". I remember one incident where R.H. made the girls pick up the goose crap with their bare hands after it rained becuase they wouldn't quit talking at luchtime. He justified his reasons with "they only eat grass, what could it hurt?"

PS: the strip search story and the one before that was me, i just forgot to log on.
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« Reply #146 on: April 21, 2005, 09:11:00 AM »
No one wants to eradicate the geese, just clean up the field....There are ways to keep the geese from the field just like farmers do with their scarecrows.
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« Reply #147 on: April 21, 2005, 09:16:00 AM »
Personally, I didn't really mind the geese. They were promise of other life forms. They were pretty. But they did poop an awful lot.
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« Reply #148 on: April 21, 2005, 10:28:00 AM »
Where are you, SHH?  Shouldn't you be here by now telling these former inmates that they're liars and these things don't happen at HLA?

C'Mon, let's go...
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« Reply #149 on: April 21, 2005, 10:37:00 AM »
"I graduated HLA in 2004. Just like everyone else i hated the place and i think that there were a lot of things that went on there that shouldn't have and probably still do. I asked my parents why they sent me there and they said they wanted to put me in a drug free environment where i could get help. well, needless to say, i didn't get help (big surprise), but i also was not in a drug free environment. For the duration of my stay at HLA several other students and myself traded articles of clothing to staff members in exchange for marijauna, cigarettes, and dip. some staff member's gave dip and cigarettes to us free of charge, including the director of athletics at the time. HLA doesn't fix kids, it just teaches them how to lie like the best."

Mercy me.  This must have never happened either.

Staff members selling drugs on campus?  Nooooo...
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