Hidden Lake academy

[SHH]

If this is directed to me, I was an employee for only a year, 1997-1998. I was a teacher's asst and compiled the grades at progress report time and end of semester and typed, printed, and copied and mailed progress reports/report cards to the parents/grandparents/educational consultants/probation officers. But my other HLA experience is from the beginning before it opened (1994) til spring 2001. I was married to the director of operations and we lived on campus (I lived on campus for 4 years).

[Macaroni3001]

Why are you so aggressive Suzanne?  I did not direct that to any particular person.  I'm not here to bash you or HLA.  Just to say the truth of my experience and what I saw or heard.

thank you

[SHH]

Well if I gave the impression to be agressive on my post(s) to you directly I am sorry...I dont have any issue with you personally.  I have posted angrily to be honest to others though..especially the ones who call me names when they dont even know me or ever met me. One even went so far as to suggest I commit suicide because they dont like my post!! LMAO but I dont think I have been aggressive to any of your posts in particular...Robert and Dysfunction rub me the wrong way tho with their insults so to them I do post angrily at times.

I answered the previous post you typed above because I got the impression that you were asking me if I was a student or former employee.

[Anonymous]

No offense, but you guys are certainly not acting any more mature than the kids at Hidden Lake. THe whining and bitching has got to stop guys. I used to read these posts to gain information on what is going on with the whole HLA deal. Now it seems to just be a bashing room for whatever reason. Personally I would like things to go back to whats important and steer away from the bullshit. It almost sounds like some of yall are fighting like a brother and sister over who smacked who and why they should be punished.That is just not Legit. On the topic of something as serious as a place like Hidden Lake being allowed to stay open, there should be a bit more intelligence shown in here.

[Anonymous]

regarding the post at 4/19/05 at 5:26; couldn't be more true.  i sought out this forum for accurate, not perceived, information on HLA, as i have a step-daughter in attendance.  the only impression i can gleen from the posts is the following:
the posters are harboring anger, resentmentment, and blame towards others to whom they ascribe responsibility, while not accepting it themselves.  This is not a forum where anyone can obtain factual info on HLA, but rather bitter devisive accusations, similar to the misrepresentations of the democrats and republicans during campaigns.  There may be some TRUTH, somewhere, in all of your posts.  And sadly, the true reality will NEVER be listed on this site.

[RobertBruce]

Mrs. Grey again you dodge and evade, you threatened to do something and now you claim you"ll do it later? Give it up Mrs. Grey youre only being laughed at. But I'll tell you what, since again you claim to know a great deal about me, do me a favor post my initials. If you can do that you Ill be surprised, if not youll only reinforce the fact that you only speak about things so long as you pulled them directly out of your ass.

As far as your other comments go, again you play the victim. You come on here attacking others, calling people liars, and then moan and bitch when the same things are thrown at you. The only real difference being in that we actually tell the truth while you are beyond full of it in your descriptions of HLA.

As to the previous post, any information youre seeking on HLA, Id be happy to share with you in an objective manner, the good and the bad. I just bash Mrs. Grey because she lies about the place to people seeking info about HLA to people like you.

[SHH]

Robert I really dont care that you dont like my posts...or that you dont agree with me. I dont even care if you dont believe me or call me a liar. But I dont come on here "bashing and calling others names"...then then whine when you do it..I do state that I believe some statements on here are over exxagerations and things taken out of context. what I dont appreciate is when I type about things I do know or experienced personally..and YOU call me a liar...and then on top of that...call me names like ignorant slut, child abuser, skank ho, stupid bitch...etc...how mature is that? Im almost old enough to be your mother. To argue about who's truth is more valid  is one thing....to call someone names like that is quite a different matter...your buddy Dysfunction even went so far as to suggest I commit suicide because he doesnt like what I type!!!! LMAO yea whatever. I NEVER did that to you or to him or to Deborah. NEVER. So we disagree as to who's HLA experience is more valid...that should be the end of it....but you and 1 or two others choose to act like 12 yr olds. I am almost 40 yrs old. I dont have time for name calling. To the previous poster: you are right..this board SHOULD be a serious discussion about HLA and how it could improve and what actually happened or what was rumor etc. Hopefully the name calling and immature crap will stop. And maybe just maybe Robert will grow up and stop calling me by someone else's name just for spite.  :roll:  Remember Robert..my user name is SHH, NOT Mrs. Gray.

P.S. Robert I was asked not to post your initials. I know them, and I know Dysfunction's. But was asked not to post them at this time.

[Deborah]

Anon step-parent,
If the heat hasn't run you out of the kitchen... Welcome, how long you been lurking?

Sorry you didn?t find what you were looking for, but there is a significant amount of accurate and factual information here if one chooses to look. Passions can run high, and often do, on both sides of the issue.  

I wanted to give you some feedback, fwiw. Your 'impression' of the posts(ers) here sounds more like a psych evaluation. Almost verbatim what the program tells the kids.

You say, "Sadly, the true reality will NEVER be listed on this site."

My goodness, if you really are who you say you are, and if you already know the truth well enough to make such a statement... why are you here? You seem to contradict yourself. Talk about misrepresentations. I have to wonder if you might actually be a PR person. Your comments just don?t read like a curious step-dad, but then I?ve been wrong before.

And just for the record, in case you think you are fooling anyone,  your post was no more intelligent or reasonable or void of emotion than anyone else?s. Your crap is just covert, ?hidden? behind a thin veil of arrogant superiority.  So.... so..... program of you.

[juniper]

I have been keeping up with the sites regarding
HLA and so have other parents.  We are all
concerned and trying to discern which is real
and which is not.  We are trying to locate Marla
who worked at HLA in Feb.  Do you know her?
Thanx.

[Deborah]

HLA won't give you her contact info?
I'm sure they have it.

If you have a decent relationship with your child, s/he will tell you what is true and what is not. It's up to you to determine if you believe him/her.
If you have a poor relationship with your child, it is likely that you will never hear anything but the program line.

That is part of the conditioning, ur, 'therapy'.

[Deborah]

I sometime wish the list were moderated, to screen out some of the emotion. Only because I think it could offend some parents who are looking for information.

But, if a person is genuinely seeking information, they will scroll past the personal arguments and find what they're looking for.

You should know that the average person who feels they were violated, is justified in their anger. It will frequently get misdirected toward anyone who vaguely resembles, supports, or defends the 'perpetrator'. In many ways, that can be therapeutice, cathartic. Nothing is worse than being victimized (real or perceived, btw) and having to be silent about it.

Attempts to humiliation and ridicule are not going to heal the heart of the one who feels victimized. That's like telling someone with a fracture leg to stop whining and get up and walk. Or a rape victim to get over it. That, come to think of it, is pretty much what happens in the program, based on my experience.

You obviously do not understand the depth of hurt and anger some of these people feel. To have someone suggest that your are lying about your experience, is tantamount to being victimized all over again.

And, there is the possibility that message boards may not be the venue for you. This is typical of any unmoderated board, and pretty typical of the human comdition.

[juniper]

We can't ask for her forwarding address, our
children are still there...We are worried about restrictions, academics, a system that probably started with good intentions but has gotten out of control..If we ask questions, we get no answers and do not believe what they say..They
are so secretive and the children that are not there for behavioral problems are frightened.  If you want to pull your child, it is almost like you feel it is going to be by some covert
act.  It is frightening..Marla was a special ed teacher and has posted on 02-07-05 and then she seems to be gone.  Our children knew her and said that she was a caring, nurturing teacher.
We just want to make sure we are making the best decision for our children.  What they seem to be
to us, is not who they are and it is becoming apparent after each workshop.  Almost chilling.
One thing parents should ask themselves, if there is no where to run in those mountains, no where to go- what are the children running from?
That is scarey..[ This Message was edited by: juniper on 2005-04-19 22:45 ]

[juniper]

Also, we didn't even know she left...We are not told if any of their teachers left..Parents of children with Special Needs in Educ. were not informed.  The school said they should have a teacher by June or Sept. depending on who they talked to.  The Assistant Headmaster didn't even know if they had a Chemistry lab when asked.  Mostly, no one knows anything, but the children.
And, they are scared to death to talk.  Then you have some military wanna-be doing restrictions
and the girls have complained he is a pervert.  I believe the children, 'cause one story okay, but all the same told separate and since 1997
the same scenarios..Aren't strip searches illegal?
I did not authorize that in my signings nor can I find it in the handbook...Thanx.[ This Message was edited by: juniper on 2005-04-19 22:59 ][ This Message was edited by: juniper on 2005-04-19 22:59 ]

[Troll Control]

On 2005-04-19 22:43:00, juniper wrote:

"We can't ask for her forwarding address, our

children are still there...We are worried about restrictions, academics, a system that probably started with good intentions but has gotten out of control..If we ask questions, we get no answers and do not believe what they say..They

are so secretive and the children that are not there for behavioral problems are frightened.  If you want to pull your child, it is almost like you feel it is going to be by some covert

act.  It is frightening..Marla was a special ed teacher and has posted on 02-07-05 and then she seems to be gone.  Our children knew her and said that she was a caring, nurturing teacher.

We just want to make sure we are making the best decision for our children.  What they seem to be

to us, is not who they are and it is becoming apparent after each workshop.  Almost chilling.

One thing parents should ask themselves, if there is no where to run in those mountains, no where to go- what are the children running from?

That is scarey..[ This Message was edited by: juniper on 2005-04-19 22:45 ]"

So pull your kid.  Do you remember ignoring your gut feelings before, when your kid was getting into trouble?  Maybe things got worse because you didn't trust your gut?

You are right: there is something terribly wrong about this program.

Whay can't you get a straight answer?  Why do they make you feel as if you no longer have legal custody over your own kid?  Why the secrecy?  These are legitimate questions deserving of LEGITIMATE answers.

Go back and read this thread.  This has happened to others.  I've SEEN IT WITH MY OWN TWO EYES what lengths these people will go to to extract every last dime from your family.  Trust me, when the money runs out, you'll get your kid home so fast it'll make your head spin.

BTW, don't listen to what SHH has to say about HLA.  She's drinking the Kool-Aid thru a Crazy Straw...

[Macaroni3001]

Yes, I know Marla.  I do not know her personally.  I know that she was a teacher at HLA and left about a month before I did.  Some of the things she said in her post was true but exagerrated.  If you have any questions about the program, I'm willing to answer any questions.  I'm going to give you the straight up answer of what I know and saw.  my email address is Macaroni3001@yahoo.com.  I was a counselor for two peer groups and basketball coach.

Antonio Wade