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« Reply #510 on: January 28, 2006, 08:40:00 AM »
I watched "A Clockwork Orange" last night for the first time in probably fifteen years.

In a twisted sense I saw many similarities to "the program."  The lead character, a young man named Alex (played by Malcolm McDowell) was sent to prison for a series of fairly ghastly crimes culminating in the murder of a woman during a home invasion.

For his crimes he was sent to prison for 40 years.  Alex was getting along fine in prison, even becoming a "model prisoner" who participated in Sunday services and became well-versed in religion and the Bible.

Unfortunately for the young man, 40 years was just too long to cool his heels, so he "volunteered" for a new program of Behavior Modification designed to stamp out violent and sexual urges.  He is forced to watch violent and sexual movies while his eyelids are held open by wire devices after having been injected with an "experimental serum" that makes the subject violently ill when subjected to feelings surrounding sex or violence.  There is no dialogue in the films he sees, but the score is Beethoven's 9th symphony, of which Alex was previously very fond.

Eventually he is released as "rehabilitated."

Upon returning to the "real world" he is confronted, of course, as we all are, with real life sexual and violent situations to which he has become singularly unable to cope.  He becomes a crime victim twice over within hours of his release because he is unable to defend himself due to the physical sickness he experiences surrounding sex and violence, including when he himself is the victim of it.

After two violent episodes, of which he was the victim, he unwittingly, looking for aid for his injuries, stumbles into the home of one of his previous victims whom he does not recognize from the crime he commited against the man and his wife.  The man, however, recognizes poor Alex and begins to plot against him in an attempt to use him as an example of crooked and cruel government with the aim of subversion.  The man believes that if he can show that the government actually damaged the Behavior Modification subjects in cruel and irreversible ways, there would be an impetus to purge the "perpetrators" from governmental power.

Through some inquiry of Alex the man finds that Alex has become averse to Beethoven's 9th symphony as a side-effect of his Behavior Modification program.

The man locks Alex in a room and begins to play the 9th so that Alex cannot escape from its sickening effect, leaving him only one way out: "snuffing" himself.  To this end, Alex hurls himself from the third story window in an attempted suicide.  The attempt turns out to be unsuccessful.

Alex is later sent to a hospital where he is de-programmed from his "Behavior Modified" state through intensive therapy and some invasive surgery.

In the end, Alex reverts to fantasies of "the ultra violence" and deems himself "cured."

Now, what is the point of the story?  There are a few.  One, tinkering with the human mind with experimental psychology (or proven destructive techniques like our programs today) is dangerous.  Two, it has unintended consequences which strip the subject of the ability to function normally in society, even though the program proponents say the subject is "cured" or "fixed."  Three, it takes intensive deprogramming to return the subject to a functioning level.  And lastly, "you never know what you're gonna get in the end."
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« Reply #511 on: January 28, 2006, 10:47:00 AM »
Hence the title of Wes Fager's online book, A Clockwork Straight

Warning! Wes is fond spinny graphics and background music. If you're quick, you can it the stop button before it starts.

To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson

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« Reply #512 on: January 28, 2006, 10:52:00 AM »
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On 2006-01-28 07:47:00, Eudora wrote:

"Hence the title of Wes Fager's online book, A Clockwork Straight



Warning! Wes is fond spinny graphics and background music. If you're quick, you can it the stop button before it starts.

To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson


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Very interesting.
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« Reply #513 on: January 29, 2006, 07:49:00 AM »
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"I watched "A Clockwork Orange" last night for the first time in probably fifteen years.



In a twisted sense I saw many similarities to "the program."  The lead character, a young man named Alex (played by Malcolm McDowell) was sent to prison for a series of fairly ghastly crimes culminating in the murder of a woman during a home invasion.



For his crimes he was sent to prison for 40 years.  Alex was getting along fine in prison, even becoming a "model prisoner" who participated in Sunday services and became well-versed in religion and the Bible.



Unfortunately for the young man, 40 years was just too long to cool his heels, so he "volunteered" for a new program of Behavior Modification designed to stamp out violent and sexual urges.  He is forced to watch violent and sexual movies while his eyelids are held open by wire devices after having been injected with an "experimental serum" that makes the subject violently ill when subjected to feelings surrounding sex or violence.  There is no dialogue in the films he sees, but the score is Beethoven's 9th symphony, of which Alex was previously very fond.



Eventually he is released as "rehabilitated."



Upon returning to the "real world" he is confronted, of course, as we all are, with real life sexual and violent situations to which he has become singularly unable to cope.  He becomes a crime victim twice over within hours of his release because he is unable to defend himself due to the physical sickness he experiences surrounding sex and violence, including when he himself is the victim of it.



After two violent episodes, of which he was the victim, he unwittingly, looking for aid for his injuries, stumbles into the home of one of his previous victims whom he does not recognize from the crime he commited against the man and his wife.  The man, however, recognizes poor Alex and begins to plot against him in an attempt to use him as an example of crooked and cruel government with the aim of subversion.  The man believes that if he can show that the government actually damaged the Behavior Modification subjects in cruel and irreversible ways, there would be an impetus to purge the "perpetrators" from governmental power.



Through some inquiry of Alex the man finds that Alex has become averse to Beethoven's 9th symphony as a side-effect of his Behavior Modification program.



The man locks Alex in a room and begins to play the 9th so that Alex cannot escape from its sickening effect, leaving him only one way out: "snuffing" himself.  To this end, Alex hurls himself from the third story window in an attempted suicide.  The attempt turns out to be unsuccessful.



Alex is later sent to a hospital where he is de-programmed from his "Behavior Modified" state through intensive therapy and some invasive surgery.



In the end, Alex reverts to fantasies of "the ultra violence" and deems himself "cured."



Now, what is the point of the story?  There are a few.  One, tinkering with the human mind with experimental psychology (or proven destructive techniques like our programs today) is dangerous.  Two, it has unintended consequences which strip the subject of the ability to function normally in society, even though the program proponents say the subject is "cured" or "fixed."  Three, it takes intensive deprogramming to return the subject to a functioning level.  And lastly, "you never know what you're gonna get in the end."
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« Reply #514 on: January 29, 2006, 08:56:00 AM »
Hey. I'm fairly sure I remember this lady... Sort of. I remember that she had no relationship of any kind with us (the students --to use that word rather loosely). I just found this website today, and I have to say that I'm really curious why in the heck "SHH" would have any interest in it. What do you hope to accomplish by bickering endlessly with people over the internet? If you're determined to do this for your own entertainment, why pick a topic with no relationship to you? Honestly, why not argue about something else. I think you're obsessing, and I don't think it sounds like much fun.

I have an idea: why not take up crochet instead? At least that produces a positive result.
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« Reply #515 on: January 29, 2006, 09:03:00 AM »
Care to share any of your thoughts/feelings/insight, etc. about your experience at HLA, captmyke?

Yes, you're right.  SHH had nothing to do with anything even remotely associated with the daily lives of the kids, she has no understanding of how the "program" works, has never even seen a "reals" group or a workshop and yet she is one of HLA's staunchest supporters.  I also cannot deign to tell you why this is.

Welcome, and thanks for taking your time to post.
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« Reply #516 on: January 29, 2006, 09:08:00 AM »
Well I have my reasons for wanting to say things about the school. I know some dont agree with that, but whatever. When were you there? I lived on campus for 4 years but moved away when I got divorced.
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« Reply #517 on: January 29, 2006, 09:22:00 AM »
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Well I have my reasons for wanting to say things about the school.


I'm all ears.  You have never really explained yourself in this respect and I'd certainly like to hear it.

I do think you'd have a more realistic baseline understanding if you knew how the "program" works (or, in this case, doesn't work), but I'd be interested to hear what makes it so attractive to someone with only cursory knowledge of how it is applied.

What's the hook?
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« Reply #518 on: February 01, 2006, 06:50:00 PM »
Still waiting...  No answers yet.  What's the hook?
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« Reply #519 on: February 01, 2006, 07:21:00 PM »
Whats interesting is that Cybie who has claimed since day one that she is not in communication with HLA nor does she even know if the staff views this website, miraculously disappears the same time as the staff does.

And all because the lawsuit tactic comes to light.
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« Reply #520 on: February 01, 2006, 07:32:00 PM »
Steve, as I said earlier this year when someone asked me this question, I found this site when I was looking for any info (good and bad) about HLA because I had a friend in Louisiana with a teen who was having problems and I thought the school might be able to help him. I already knew about the school from another point of view(Mine, former employee, former resident on campus, former wife of current employee) but wanted to find out other's opinions, etc, and this came up in my google search. I was already aware of the fornits board having a seed discussion section but wasnt aware that it had one for HLA. When I started reading this and the amazing forums board I was kind of shocked at the anger and comments. I hadnt heard much of anything really negative from students, through the grapevine, from staff, or from townsfolk previous to this. I felt that in alot of ways the school was getting a bad rap and knew that some of what was being said was being blown out of proportion. So I felt in a personal way I should share my perspective and my point of view on the school. Obviously, it was not appreciated, nor welcomed. But, nonetheless, I felt it was necessary. Some on here feel I was either sent here by the school, or asked to come on here by the school, or being told what to say. None of that is true. Anyway, I feel at this point it doesnt really matter what I say because it will be tossed around and ridiculed like other comments. Some on here feel that every comment I make is a lie, which it is not. But it doesnt really matter, I was trying to make a point and that point was lost in the immaturity and insults that this board seems to attract. I made a mistake in trying to voice my side of the situation because that is not the side that anybody wants to hear on this site. But, it doesnt really matter anyway, because people will believe what they want to believe and not necessarily what the truth is. As far as questions that some are asking on here...there are alot of those that I am not in a position to know how to answer, so if Robert in particular asks me to answer those, I will have to defer to someone else on those particular ones. Ask someone else those questions.

Did that answer your question Steve?
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« Reply #521 on: February 01, 2006, 07:33:00 PM »
Robert I have nothing to do with lawsuits, the school, or those employees posting. I have been dealing with some crap here at home and havent felt like posting lately. Nothing mysterious about that, just didnt feel like it.
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« Reply #522 on: February 01, 2006, 07:42:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-01 16:32:00, SHH wrote:

"Steve, as I said earlier this year when someone asked me this question, I found this site when I was looking for any info (good and bad) about HLA because I had a friend in Louisiana with a teen who was having problems and I thought the school might be able to help him. I already knew about the school from another point of view(Mine, former employee, former resident on campus, former wife of current employee) but wanted to find out other's opinions, etc, and this came up in my google search. I was already aware of the fornits board having a seed discussion section but wasnt aware that it had one for HLA. When I started reading this and the amazing forums board I was kind of shocked at the anger and comments. I hadnt heard much of anything really negative from students, through the grapevine, from staff, or from townsfolk previous to this. I felt that in alot of ways the school was getting a bad rap and knew that some of what was being said was being blown out of proportion. So I felt in a personal way I should share my perspective and my point of view on the school. Obviously, it was not appreciated, nor welcomed. But, nonetheless, I felt it was necessary. Some on here feel I was either sent here by the school, or asked to come on here by the school, or being told what to say. None of that is true. Anyway, I feel at this point it doesnt really matter what I say because it will be tossed around and ridiculed like other comments. Some on here feel that every comment I make is a lie, which it is not. But it doesnt really matter, I was trying to make a point and that point was lost in the immaturity and insults that this board seems to attract. I made a mistake in trying to voice my side of the situation because that is not the side that anybody wants to hear on this site. But, it doesnt really matter anyway, because people will believe what they want to believe and not necessarily what the truth is. As far as questions that some are asking on here...there are alot of those that I am not in a position to know how to answer, so if Robert in particular asks me to answer those, I will have to defer to someone else on those particular ones. Ask someone else those questions.



Did that answer your question Steve?"


Well, no, not really.  I was wondering more about what makes you so strong a supporter of something you really know very, very little about.  Since you can't really have any cogent idea about what goes on behind closed doors there, it makes me wonder why you so easily discount accounts from both students and staff who really do know what happens on the inside.

What's the hook for you?
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« Reply #523 on: February 01, 2006, 08:01:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-01 16:32:00, SHH wrote:

"Steve, as I said earlier this year when someone asked me this question, I found this site when I was looking for any info (good and bad) about HLA because I had a friend in Louisiana with a teen who was having problems and I thought the school might be able to help him. I already knew about the school from another point of view(Mine, former employee, former resident on campus, former wife of current employee) but wanted to find out other's opinions, etc, and this came up in my google search. I was already aware of the fornits board having a seed discussion section but wasnt aware that it had one for HLA. When I started reading this and the amazing forums board I was kind of shocked at the anger and comments. I hadnt heard much of anything really negative from students, through the grapevine, from staff, or from townsfolk previous to this. I felt that in alot of ways the school was getting a bad rap and knew that some of what was being said was being blown out of proportion. So I felt in a personal way I should share my perspective and my point of view on the school. Obviously, it was not appreciated, nor welcomed. But, nonetheless, I felt it was necessary. Some on here feel I was either sent here by the school, or asked to come on here by the school, or being told what to say. None of that is true. Anyway, I feel at this point it doesnt really matter what I say because it will be tossed around and ridiculed like other comments. Some on here feel that every comment I make is a lie, which it is not. But it doesnt really matter, I was trying to make a point and that point was lost in the immaturity and insults that this board seems to attract. I made a mistake in trying to voice my side of the situation because that is not the side that anybody wants to hear on this site. But, it doesnt really matter anyway, because people will believe what they want to believe and not necessarily what the truth is. As far as questions that some are asking on here...there are alot of those that I am not in a position to know how to answer, so if Robert in particular asks me to answer those, I will have to defer to someone else on those particular ones. Ask someone else those questions.



Did that answer your question Steve?"


You claim to be shocked regarding the statements on here because you hadnt heard any such information in your own personal experience?


Cybie you have no frame of reference to go on. Since you had nothing to do with the school, nor any knowledge of what the school was like how would you be in a position to know what the normal post HLA feeling is? As to the townspeople, as you can see from the article thats been posted the people in Dahlonega apparently arent quite as thrilled about HLA as youd like to believe. Tell us what specific things you feel were being blown out of proportion. Actual statements. You question our maturity level, Cybie look at your own comments when you thought you could hide, you have behaved like a child dont judge others now. As well you claim we didnt want to hear your perspective. Not at all true, we wanted you to be honest and answer the questions put to you. You refused thus you were ridiculed and rightly so. Not every comment you make on here is a lie, but a good many of them are. You cannot deny that. Remember Cybie the truth is on our side not yours, no whining and crying will change that. Furthermore there are STILL a number of question you have not had the courage to answer, get to them. These are questions that specifically pertain to your own statements. Not ones you can claim ignorance on.
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« Reply #524 on: February 01, 2006, 10:11:00 PM »
SHH,
You are entitled to your opinions. Contrary to your comment, I believe that if a "point" is useful, it doesn't get lost in the "immaturity and insults". I really don't understand what you are trying to relate with that comment.

My primary beef with you was the arrogance you demonstrated when you presumed to guess/assume about my parental rights. I considered that extremely rude.

Which leads to my general beef. No matter what a person says, you rebut it, and most times have ultimately shown how little you actually know about the topic, not the least being the discussion about racism in Dahlonega. Let's not go there again, but it's a prime example.

I've asked you on a number of ocassions to identify an exaggeration and attach it to a specific person. You make broad generalities about the 'people on this forum'. That kinda sets you up as a target for all those people.

Personally, I think you should share your opinions, answer the questions you choose to answer. You entered this forum kinda slapping people around. The response you got really shouldn't surprise you? You were rude, and if someone less generous than Ginger own the forum, you'd probably have been banned after about a week.

Hope your family are well.
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