Heard TB was closing?

[Anonymous]

But what's the story about the gas station? Do tell!

Pepper Spray Jay's qualifications for working with 'troubled teens':
1. He is a college dropout.
2. He used to manage a gas station / minimart.
3. He worked as a 'technician' (aka security guard) at Brightway Adolescent Hospital.
4. His dad is Ken Kay.

[letstalkaboutpants]

what a tool.

[Anonymous]

daddy kay was in army, college, ca highway patrolman, architect, contractor, napa owner, real estate agent, psych tech, security guard, hospital admin. , admin coordinator, president and board of directors member.

above are his quals to preside over numerous children's warehouse and one teen age pregnancy facility.

[BuzzKill]

Its amazing how rapidly one can rise to great heights in wwasp net work, with little or no education. I suppose that's one of the major perks. Ken Kay is a fine example. While at Brightway hospital, he went from psych tech to Hospital administrator in a few months time - or was it weeks? Anyway - it was a very rapid ascent from grunt work to being at the pinnacle of power and authority - and at a Hospital, no less! Outside of WWASP, such an ascent would take decades of hard work and many years of study!
And now, here he is, the head of the entire kit and ka-boodle! President of the World Wide Assocation of Speciality Programs and Schools!
Simply amazing, isn't it, the way a person can rise to the top of such a large organization, in such a very short amount of time.
In light of this, it is no wonder that a gas station attendant would be owner and director of a school / therapeutic center/ drug rehab (what ever TB is supposed to be today) and be considered well qualified!

[Anonymous]

BERTRAND BAINVEL
Head of UNICEF Jamaica  

This kind of methods is definitely something which is
not in accordance with the convention of the rights of
the child and not in accordance with, with other UN
rules regulating the status of juveniles deprived of
liberty.  There is a high possibility that it falls under the
definition of child abuse.


JAY KAY
Director of Tranquility Bay
There is, there is profit in the schools and we use that
money for improvements but we also have to pay our
shareholders as well.   Because we are a company, a
corporation that has shareholders?


Jay Kay
I am one of the primary shareholders.  The other
individuals ask not to be named.  


KEN KAY
President of WWASPS
I say that I am totally against violating reasonable rights
of children, or abusing them in any fashion; mentally,
verbally, physically. I am not always a hundred percent
sure that the United Nations is, has the expertise or, or,
or the ability to discern the difference.  I hear these
complaints and I'm very concerned about them. But
then let's do something about them. The people who
claim?


Ken Kay
We have thousands and thousands of positive letters
and e-mails from satisfied customers. The whole
controversy is very interesting to me.  Never lose sight
is, the bottom line is just think if we shut down our
business and stopped doing what we?re doing,
eventually one of these kids that would come to us will
die.

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-03-04 13:30:00, Anonymous wrote:


Ken Kay

We have thousands and thousands of positive letters

and e-mails from satisfied customers. The whole

controversy is very interesting to me.  Never lose sight

is, the bottom line is just think if we shut down our

business and stopped doing what we?re doing,

eventually one of these kids that would come to us will

die.



"

I hadn't seen that before.  The absurdity of that statement is amazing.

Being a street cop, witnessing the tragedy firsthand, I've become
convinced that drug prohibition -- not drugs themselves -- are driving the HIV epidemic and the systemic crime that has swamped our criminal justice systems.
--Vancouver Police Const. Gil Puder

[Perrigaud]

Wrong Anonymous they are licensed (the therapists) and the psychologist as well. Now, get your facts straight before you spread any lies! I hate liars.

[Anonymous]

We could be leading these kids to long-term problems that we don't have a clue about because we're not going about it in the proper way," he said. "How in the hell can you call yourself a behavior-modification program ? and that's one of the ways it's marketed ? when nobody has the experience to determine: Is this good, is this bad?"
Ken Kay - President WWASP

http://www.tbfight.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18

http://www.tbfight.com/

http://www.heal-online.org/wwaspscases.htm

http://controlledminds.blogspot.com/

http://www.kscourts.org/ca10/cases/2003/09/02-4160.htm

[tlcrescue]

Yea, the legal system is a tricky one, and if you arent careful, can quickly have your case dismissed on small technicalities.  I work in the legal field and have seen it happen.  But, it just blows me away that the attorney did not even bother to respond to discovery.  That is a big no, no.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone if kids from other countries are at TB?      
Canada, Europe, etc?

[Antigen]

Excellent article:

Friday, February 18, 2005
A human tragedy
Ever wonder what really goes on in those ?last ditch? facilities for troubled teens?

That is the question Parade Magazine recently asked its readers while at the same time introducing the book ?What it takes to pull me through?, written by Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist David L. Marcus who had followed a group of teenagers placed into an emotional growth/therapeutic boarding school.

http://controlledminds.blogspot.com/200 ... chive.html

The more BORING a child is, the more the parents,
when showing off the child, receive adulation for
being GOOD PARENTS -- because they have a TAME
CHILD-CREATURE in their house.
--Frank Zappa

[Anonymous]

Hi again. I am Jennifer, daughter of BSarro.I Skimmed over some of the Parade Magazine article that was linked by Antigen. I clicked a link to some pictures from this Tranquility Bay place and one thing that was very disturbing o me was a picture of a few boys laying face down on a hard floor.I hope they were not expected to lay there for too long of a time. Could anyone provide info of how long they are expected to lay down like that on such a hard surface? I think they call it the  isolation or observation room. That picture is gonna stick in my mind.I am kinda acting some frustration right now. I got my mother pissed by helping my friend post here using her name.I was forced into breaking up with my boyfriend until I turn 18.I was acting out, wanting to piss my parents off because of not being able to see my boyfriend without fear of being sent to some program. I  have to cool down so my parents will not find another reason to think about sending me to a program.

[Anonymous]

Jennifer, how old are you?

Get any money you can get your hands on honestly--earn, birthday or xmas money, whatever.

Then instead of spending it, get someone who is not your parent to open a Uniformed Gift to Minors account for you at the bank---call around and get no minimum free checking or savings if you can.  Specify that it turns over to you at age 18.  Have a good friend over 21 who is absolutely financially responsible and reliable but is skeptical of your parents named as trustee by the grantor who opens the account for you.

You hand the money to the grantor just outside the bank, they go in and make the deposit to your UGMA account and show you the receipt thingy, your trustee watches the money for you, and *nobody*--not your parents, not anybody---but your trustee can touch it until you turn 18.

A grandparent or one of your parents' in-laws that likes you but isn't so fond of them, and handles money well, and isn't greedy, druggie, or dishonest would be a good trustee.

That way if your parents do send you off and try to manipulate you into staying in a program past your 18th birthday, you have more readily accessible "nest egg" than the thirty bucks or less the program would give you as an "exit plan" when they dumped you out on a deserted highway.

And if your parents *don't* send you off, you get a nice little nest egg at 18, anyway.

Timoclea

[Anonymous]

There is at least one from the United Kingdom.  I hear there are often Canadians there.  There was even a Jamaican there at one time.

[Anonymous]

There have also been allot of rumors spread to all the kids at these programs, basically to scare them into being good where they are. The rumors of beatings and eating roaches are all lies. The jamaican people on a whole are very friendly people. Tourists are also scared into not checking out the beautiful jamaican countryside and wander from thier all inclusive resorts. It is a shame, but it is like the same rumors, just in another context. I see tourist scared of the jamiacans it is sad. Did the rumors also tell you that you can get points faster and get out faster at TB? Peri did you know that. other than op it is not that much different than the others except that it is in another country. I'll tell you something funny, the rumor with the jamaican people is that the kids beat on the staff, so many are scared to work there. It is all one giant game of telephone.yes the jamicans are very poor and there are some places no tourist should go, but with a good driver you will never have nothing but a great experience. Just like in the states if you don't want to give someone money you say sorry and keep walking.