Provo Canyon

[Anonymous]

Does anyone have any information about Provo Canyon in Provo Utah, it is for a 15 Year Old female they accept the families insurance.  Need info asap.
Thanks :nworthy:

[Anonymous]

The responsible thing would be to do your research first. You might be concerned with what you find.
You can start here by searching WWF, or click this link for the returns of that search:
http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php

[cherish wisdom]

There's a lot of information about PCS. My daughter experienced horrific maltreatment and abuse while she was a voluntary patient there.  You can find a great survivor site at
http://www.beyondbusiness.net
Angela Smith was a patient there in 1989 and she has tons of information for you.  PCS has been in opperation for about 30 years now.  The program is extremely punitive and confrontation is used.  Unless this 15 year old is a hard core juvenile delinquent or a touch gang banger, who sells drugs - PCS should not even be considered.  I personally think it should be shut down for massive child abuse and maltreatment.  Many of the staff members are sadistic and derive pleasure from exerting their unlimited control over vulnerable youth.  The licensed professionals back them up - even when they laugh and smile while participating in brutal human take downs and restraints.
Parents are required to sign their rights away and must agree to sign a waiver indicating that they will not hold PCS liable for any injury to their child including death.  I'd suggest you do a complete internet search.  There are less drastic measures.
I'd suggest that you try an outpatient program first where you still have custody of your child. (I don't know if this is your child or a friend's child)  

When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
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[ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2005-03-01 15:53 ]

[Anonymous]

My fear is that although I know this business well, my family members are in need at this time for their daughter, and although they love her dearly, she is in need of help, they are at wits end, and I see all the time how we as parents are sold ocean front property in Arizona, because we are desperate.  The hospital my niece was in promoted Provo Canyon highly, their insurance company owns/runs it go figure.  All the info I can get is helpful.....

[Anonymous]

My name is Megan, I was at Provo Canyon in the 90's.  Feel free to email me anytime.  I am now 26 and an RN, so I can give you a personal as well as a professional view on that place.  At best, it is a holding pen until a child matures a bit.  But the negative effects can last a lifetime.  bandit1978@verizon.net

[Nihilanthic]

Its a coersive 'treatment center' that works through behavior modification.

In laymans terms they treat your kid like shit until they get out so theyre obedient, regardless of why the kid went there. Its a torture camp.

Read an article I helped make that covers PCS... http://www.askquestions.org/articles/teens

All I ask is equal freedom.  When it is denied, as it always is, I take it anyhow.
--H.L. Mencken

[Anonymous]

it is mainly a behavior modification program.

[Anonymous]

?Children don?t shed constitutional rights just because they?re under the age of 18,? he says. ?You can?t deprive food to a serial murderer in a maximum security prison anywhere in the United States.?

Children at PCS are routinely deprived of their rights. Search the Milonas and Rice vs. Provo Canyon School case.  The same stuff is still going on today - despite the permanent injunctions...

[Anonymous]

curious if provo is part of wwasps group? i am new here.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-03-10 15:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"curious if provo is part of wwasps group? i am new here."

No, it is not part of WWASP but it is where the WWASP people learnt their trade so there are similarities.

[Anonymous]

My son was there for 10 weeks last year.  Only 10 weeks.  It's a very harsh environment, but if the kid needs to learn that he or she needs to stand up, line up, shut up and do as you're told, it teaches a valuable lesson.  My son said he was not abused, and said that he wished the staff would be tougher on some kids who were real trouble-makers.  We were told before admitting him that he would get thorough psychological testing.  That didn't happen.  Communication between the school and parents is TERRIBLE.  The therapist he had was very insightful, but frequently was not available due to being on vacation.  There was not good backup therapist coverage for vacations, holidays, etc.  My son wrote that he asked for more time with his therapist, and for make-up sessions, but that never happened.  We felt that we were spending a lot of money for very little professional help.  If your kid is dangerous to himself or others, and needs heavy-duty behavior modification, Provo may be appropriate, but please do research first.  If your kid is headed for jail, Provo is better, but not by much.  If local law enforcement is suggesting your kid join the Marines, Provo may be a better choice because Marines get sent to Iraq and could get killed.  You get the idea.  Provo is a last resort.  Provo was a nasty kick in the butt for my son.  He learned that his parents would take action if his behavior was unacceptable.  He's been back home for several months, and we are so happy to have him back.  He's doing ok in school and is staying out of trouble.  Good luck!

[Anonymous]

The punishments used at WWASP and PCS are very similar. At Majestic Ranch they punish children by making them sit out in the cold with very little clothing for many hours. At PCS they punish children by making them sit in the concrete observation room and they turn the air conditioner up to about 50 degrees.  They are often stripped down to their underware. Sometimes they spend entire days in OBS - sitting on the cold floor.  Isolation is also used by both programs as forms of punishment and solitary confinement. It is truly awful....

[Anonymous]

Yes, I'd have to agree - Provo Canyon School is a nasty kick in the butt.  It truly does put fear into those who were unfortunate enough to be sent there.  It is a last resort - but that is not what they advertise and that is not what they tell prospective parents either.  

 :scared:  :scared:  :scared:

Be very scared, be very scared indeed!!!

[Anonymous]

provo canyon school was a never-ending game played within the gates of hell. I spent 2 years of my life getting abused physically and mentally by staff that worked there. many simple rights were taken there like being able to use the restroom when you need to. i underwent severe punishment in a constant mind-trap. i recall one night at about 1:00 in the morning i was forced to sit indian style and stare directly at a wall in the snow while it was snowing   in my boxers for 2 and a half hours. another time i laughed once when everybody had just gotten into bed and i was grabbed from behind from a staff by the neck and arm where my face was smashed into the wall and then dragged 15 feet to a confinement cell. my friend tried to stop them but they "P.I." him which stands for a physical intervention. they dragged me into the back holding cell and through me into the wall. i sat in that sell from 10:00 that night until 9:30 the next morning in my boxers with the confinement door shut with the cold air-conditioning turned up all the way. i sat on the cold cement floor  until 9:30 in the morning until i was given a small paper cup with water to take a muscle control pill that doesn?t allow you to move your body, and if you do move your body you got really bad cramps and spasms. Around 4:00 that day i was finally given food  but it was hard to eat because i had extreme rib cramps from being slammed into the wall. the nurse came to inspect my ribs and said that there was nothing wrong and i was just complaining to get attention. my ribs were bruised pretty bad because the next day my ribs  had a big bruise mark going across them. i asked to see the nurse but they refused to look at my ribs so i asked the "senior-on" which is pretty much the person that is in control of the entire facility that day. the nurse told him not to worry about my complaint because i was just trying to get attention. i went through hundreds of mental trapping mind games that fled my mind with constant depression. it got so bad at !

points that a level of insanity was closely reached. one of my friends got pushed to the limit and one day they found him, they kicked down the bathroom door where they found him in a large thick puddle of blood. he had locked himself in the bathroom, broke the mirror and slit his wrists going with the vain. he then stuck the piece of glass up into his neck in two places. i guess evidently he was trying to slit his own throat. they found him spasing and shaking because he had lost so much blood. he had spent nearly 3 and a half years in this place before he decided that he couldn't take it anymore and he needed to escape. stuff like this happens everyday in this place where it is just ignored as if nothing has happened. some cases are even worse then what i have mentioned today. a girl about 6 years before i went there was found in the shower where she hung herself. she died and no justice was done nothing was even looked into they just told her parents that she was severely mentally unstable and nothing was ever done about it to this day. this place doesn't help you it just creates so many problems and instabilities once you get out that you are set up for instant failure. i have ran into several people on the streets that i knew when i was in there and they where just there for talking back to their parents, minor school absences, and occasionally smoking pot they turned into crackheads and severally emotionally disturbed. the question is how long is a place like this going to go on for until something is done about it?.... where is this society taking us?....do we really want are children and loved ones heading in this direction?....u choose which direction you want your child to go in...but this is just the spoken words of truth from someone that has gone through this experience and wants to let you know what really goes on behind those never-ending locked doors....

[Anonymous]

provo canyon school was a never-ending game played within the gates of hell. I spent 2 years of my life getting abused physically and mentally by staff that worked there. many simple rights were taken there like being able to use the restroom when you need to. i underwent severe punishment in a constant mind-trap. i recall one night at about 1:00 in the morning i was forced to sit indian style and stare directly at a wall in the snow while it was snowing   in my boxers for 2 and a half hours. another time i laughed once when everybody had just gotten into bed and i was grabbed from behind from a staff by the neck and arm where my face was smashed into the wall and then dragged 15 feet to a confinement cell. my friend tried to stop them but they "P.I." him which stands for a physical intervention. they dragged me into the back holding cell and through me into the wall. i sat in that sell from 10:00 that night until 9:30 the next morning in my boxers with the confinement door shut with the cold air-conditioning turned up all the way. i sat on the cold cement floor  until 9:30 in the morning until i was given a small paper cup with water to take a muscle control pill that doesn?t allow you to move your body, and if you do move your body you got really bad cramps and spasms. Around 4:00 that day i was finally given food  but it was hard to eat because i had extreme rib cramps from being slammed into the wall. the nurse came to inspect my ribs and said that there was nothing wrong and i was just complaining to get attention. my ribs were bruised pretty bad because the next day my ribs  had a big bruise mark going across them. i asked to see the nurse but they refused to look at my ribs so i asked the "senior-on" which is pretty much the person that is in control of the entire facility that day. the nurse told him not to worry about my complaint because i was just trying to get attention. i went through hundreds of mental trapping mind games that fled my mind with constant depression. it got so bad at !

points that a level of insanity was closely reached. one of my friends got pushed to the limit and one day they found him, they kicked down the bathroom door where they found him in a large thick puddle of blood. he had locked himself in the bathroom, broke the mirror and slit his wrists going with the vain. he then stuck the piece of glass up into his neck in two places. i guess evidently he was trying to slit his own throat. they found him spasing and shaking because he had lost so much blood. he had spent nearly 3 and a half years in this place before he decided that he couldn't take it anymore and he needed to escape. stuff like this happens everyday in this place where it is just ignored as if nothing has happened. some cases are even worse then what i have mentioned today. a girl about 6 years before i went there was found in the shower where she hung herself. she died and no justice was done nothing was even looked into they just told her parents that she was severely mentally unstable and nothing was ever done about it to this day. this place doesn't help you it just creates so many problems and instabilities once you get out that you are set up for instant failure. i have ran into several people on the streets that i knew when i was in there and they where just there for talking back to their parents, minor school absences, and occasionally smoking pot they turned into crackheads and severally emotionally disturbed. the question is how long is a place like this going to go on for until something is done about it?.... where is this society taking us?....do we really want are children and loved ones heading in this direction?....u choose which direction you want your child to go in...but this is just the spoken words of truth from someone that has gone through this experience and wants to let you know what really goes on behind those never-ending locked doors....