Check this out!!!

[Anonymous]

yes do check it out because the section you quote clearly exempts residential children's facilities, actually section 80072. under eighteen? you don't have many rights, and the ones you do have your parents signed away for you. what do you think you are a lawyer? keep crying.

[Anonymous]

http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/ord/CCRTitle22_715.htm

under "Group Homes", 1/05/05 Title 22, Div. 6, Chap 5, Art 6 (cont.) section 84072, the personal rights of children.

CEDU is a group home and in California kids in group homes have rights.

[Anonymous]

good luck fighting that in any court even when i review the material you quote it is questionable, "authorized representatives" are the counselors that gave you a tour when you arrived, you have no idea what you are entitlted to, its not much. go ahead, sue the school the reason you don't is you know that you have no viable legal argument. all your arguments are easily discredited if you actually visit the documents you suggest with the exception of sexual allegation which should be invesigated without pride or prejudice.

disciplinary actions include but are not limited to restriction of use of entertainment devices including phones.

both violations you claim are provided for by california laws whether you agree or not.

[Anonymous]

phone contact with parents cannot be taken away
under any circumstances

you seem determined to deny that kids at CEDU actually have legal rights - what motivates you?

[Anonymous]

because the only thing that motivates people here is vengence. justice is not the motivation, which it should be. I am not convinced that any injustice was done to any of my peers while i was there and it would take some serious work including documention and research, both of these are seriously lacking. anytime a post is made about "rights" or a lawsuit, the documentaion is obviously biased. if you want to be respected you at least have to make the appearnce of being unbiased. this not to say your values can't drive your work. All i hear from some of you is dangerous almost vigilanteism. and not nearly enough of you admonish hateful speech, speech that will always discredit you whenever you use it, so don't be surprised when some one who gained something valuable in their life from these schools returns your hateful speech with equally offensive views that you find offensive.

[Anonymous]

This site has absolutely nothing to do with justice.  One group here is a mix of twenty-something-plus stoners who are still mad that being at a cedu school interfered with their "vocation" to be high 24/7.  A second group is made up of really lunatics who didn't do well at cedu because they were just too crazy--should have been in a hospital somewhere. A third group here is a little more calculated---the  predatory and litigation-prone---who are using the first two group to try to drum up hysteria against these schools so that they can climb on the sue-somebody gravy train and get some money from the school.  Disgusting if the courts fall for any of it

[Anonymous]

the only thing you seem to have gotten out of cedu is an aweful lot of bitterness.  
why is it that you trolls can never tell us exactly what it is you like about cedu?  what is so valueble about cedu's program that justifies your rage & endless personal attacks against those of us who were hurt by it? your posts are nothing BUT hateful speech. perhaps it's because deep down inside you know that cedu truly has no value.  i think what really pisses you off is that you weren't strong enough resist cedu, and we were.

[Anonymous]

you are right cedu has no value on its own, what brings value to any experience is a sense of something shared. i experienced this feeling on the wilderness challenge. the experience has helped to direct my life. if you did not experience this feeling at cedu,rma,nwa, bca, wherever you attended, it is cool. i hope that you do have an experience in your life that shows you the beauty of wilderness and the world you live in until then, do and say what inspires you.

didn't you make friends there? no? i'm sorry, there was an oppurtunity to make something better from the whole ordeal.

when you start throwing words around like "abuse" people tend to get a little heated. especially if the allegations involve a place (though not necessarily a time) that they remember with a bittersweet tone.

[Anonymous]

cedu was not bittersweet. it tasted more like nut.

[Roy]

Look, CEDU is an abusive cult. I worked there as a therapist and spent most of my 4 years trying to keep kids out of the hospital and off of psychotropic drugs. Why? Because the program was designed to drive them nuts with, double-binds, mixed messages, and conflicting rules that are no win no matter what they did. They place kids on restrictions and bans in order to make them feel intolerable emotional pain in order to control their thoughts. CEDU is a cult whose technology is taken directly out of cults. Scientology, Mormonism, Earhart Seminars Training, Lifespring and Synanon. I could go on and on, but why bother. This country is ruled by money and corporations by politicians who take that payola so they can exploit the average working joe and even the semi-wealthy. Kids are a commodity to CEDU, nothing more. The poster who said that you have little legal or regulatory recourse, sadly, is correct. That there is little regulation is a political game, a set up, designed to enrich big business with Bush at the helm. There is only one thing you can do about CEDU, and I can't say it, but, I can give you a hint. We did it in the 60s at universities, at government buildings, in the south, and across the country. The only mistake we made was to stop demonstrating and fighting and sitting in and smoking out and trashing places "singing songs and carrying signs." If you will. The only thing that saved kids at Northwest Academy was rioting, and it also saved them at Rocky Mountain Academy - RMA is now gone. Now, I am not suggesting rioting as a solution, because I can't. But, the only way to dethrone a tyrant is shown by history. You storm his seat of power and you take over, you lose him money and power. Remember that money and power are all they (the status quo) care about, and all they will ever care about. If you don't believe that, you are delusional or brainwashed. So, if you want change, you have to take risks and pay a big price. You are not going to get anything by working within the system, because the system is the whole problem.

[Anonymous]

Go to the website

http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/ord/CCRTitle22_715.htm

under the category "Group Homes", go to 1/05/05 Title 22, Div 6, Chap 5, Art 6 (cont.) section 84072 for the personal rights of children.

CEDU is a group home.

[Anonymous]

everyone should read the state website

[vvigil]

The question is really whether or not cedu is licensed as a group home. If not, then they don't fall under the pervue of those regulations.
I highly doubt they are licensed as such- rather I believe they are probably just considered to be an alternative boarding school.

[Antigen]

Boundary, n. In political geography, an imaginary line between two nations, separating the imaginary rights of one from the imaginary rights of another. -- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

Your question is an entirely accademic one. Maybe CEDU falls under the Ca. state laws for group homes, maybe it doesn't. That only makes a difference in the sureality of the legal system. In the more commonly accepted reality, it doesn't make a bit of difference what kind of paper work exists. People born or living in this country have certain God given rights recognized by law and by tradition. CEDU and other brainwashed zombies might have themselves thoroughly convinced that they're above the law. But they're not.

I turned to speak to God, About the world's despair; But to make bad matters worse, I found God wasn't there.
--Robert Frost, American poet

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[vvigil]

Right- but they're talking about regulations and laws that are also academic. A great deal of discussion on this forum has also centered around legal action, so the question is definitely pertinent.

Reading my posts you can tell that I don't agree with cedu's methods of brainwashing and breaking down their students.