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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2005, 07:35:00 AM »
Visiting might not help that much. WWASP is known to put on a nice show for parents whenever they come to visit. They also make the kids clean up the gulags before they allow the parents in.
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2005, 08:34:00 AM »
Whatever, we didn't do any special cleaning.
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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2005, 10:15:00 AM »
Perri,

You are correct. I should have said most, not all. I was going on info that I have heard, not seen personally, at other facilities. I don't know what every single place does, but it seems to that most people say they had no real gym-type activites. I have heard numerous times that most of the facilities don't even have basic sport equipment such as basketballs, soccer balls, baseball bat/gloves, etc., let alone a gymnasium. It is common knowledge that if you are trying to get kids healthier and keep them busy, then they should get lots of exercise. Don't you think if you had a kid hooked on drugs and having to struggle to beat it, wouldn't it be better for them to be outside playing hard, staying busy? Instead they are in those dark, dusty bunkers listening to the same crap over and over again. I don't know if all the politicians and ed. cons. that deal with this are crooks, but something is NOT right. Where is the money?????
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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2005, 10:26:00 AM »
Also, my daughter said they did do special cleaning when visitors were scheduled. She said that sometimes they would not show the visitors to certain areas, unless they seemed determined to see it. I didn't mean the parents were blind, Perri, I was referring to the state officials,agencies, etc. My husband and I went and checked the place out before we put my daughter there, also. I was not really happy about what I did get to see, but at that particular time, we were so stressed out, worried, tired, that we were not up to rationalizing much of anything.  We made mistakes, we trusted complete strangers. They talked a really good game, and preyed on our weakness.
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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2005, 10:44:00 AM »
Chi, I think you would make a very good advocate in speaking out against these facilities. Glad to hear your daughter is finally out.
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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2005, 11:39:00 AM »
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"Perri,



You are correct. I should have said most, not all. I was going on info that I have heard, not seen personally, at other facilities. I don't know what every single place does, but it seems to that most people say they had no real gym-type activites. I have heard numerous times that most of the facilities don't even have basic sport equipment such as basketballs, soccer balls, baseball bat/gloves, etc., let alone a gymnasium. It is common knowledge that if you are trying to get kids healthier and keep them busy, then they should get lots of exercise. Don't you think if you had a kid hooked on drugs and having to struggle to beat it, wouldn't it be better for them to be outside playing hard, staying busy? Instead they are in those dark, dusty bunkers listening to the same crap over and over again. I don't know if all the politicians and ed. cons. that deal with this are crooks, but something is NOT right. Where is the money?????"


That seems to be the norm with most the schools.  When I toured my son's school (of they course they knew we were coming), everything to be in order.  But, when i made the decision to pull him and showed up unannounced, I was not even aloud to set foot in the school.  They made me wait outside in 30 degree weather while they gathered my son and his belongings.  I guess I should consider myself lucky though, because apparently they were making the kids work out in the snow and 25 degree weather, wearing nothing but pants (not even the long johns we were requested to send) and a sweatshirt.  Pushups in the snow, no gloves, no jacket, no long johns, NOTHING!
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« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2005, 12:20:00 PM »
Chi3

You ahve that right! I hear the same thing over AND OVER.

The BIG MARKETING SCAMM.  

Let YOUR GOVERNMNET OFFICIALS know. That is the only way changes will be made. How kids will be protected.

Prison time for the fraudulent scammers.
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« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2005, 04:15:00 PM »
It looks like the legislature is doing too little too late.  They are obviously giving all of the programs a way out - they just need to indicate that they are a boarding school.
When my child was at Provo Canyon School I was given the run around by the authorities who tried to tell me that all of the state mental health laws and regs did not apply to "residential facilities."  They I told them that PCS is listed on their own governmental web site - utah.gov as a hospital - not a residential facility. No one ever responded to this.  PCS is still listed as a hospital in the Provo area.  Go figure.......I found out first hand just how corrupt the authorities in Utah are. They are only doing this because there has been some bad publicity recently - and they are giving facilities a way out of compliance.  

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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2005, 06:14:00 PM »
Chi, you are EXACTLY right in your description of a WWASPS facility.  Our grandaughter was in Casa, and down to the details, had the same experience as your daughter (only, unfortunately, it was for 10 lonely months w/o ANY direct communication with the Outside World, including parents!).  

The place was filthy, a decrepit failed hotel from the 60's.

The food was nearly inedible, and monotonously the same...heavy rice and beans, fish stew from belly meat, green hot dogs.  This does not reflect the rice diet for her first 2+ months in solitary.

She gained 25 lbs, and she's only 5' tall.

Her parents paid the $95 toiletries fee, but she lost her soap on Day 2 and did not get any more for 2 months.  She wrote (after 6 weeks there) thanking her mother for sending a bar of soap in a care package. She could only put her needs/requests on a tablet and wait for 2+ weeks, hoping to receive shampoo, sanitary needs, etc.  While there, she knows one girl who tried to commit suicide by drinking an entire bottle of Prell shampoo.  

She sat all day listening to the same tapes.

Their library was a joke, filled with what she called, "Chicken Soup for the Everything".
 
Her complexion was horrible.

The only outside time was a half-hour at 7:00 AM, playing "basktball" silently on a cracked and rutted asphalt patio area in the former shoddy hotel courtyard.  When the chunkyness of the girls became an issue, Casa imported a BYU jock who force-ran them around the quad for their 1/2 hour "PE".

Her bed was a cheap metal bunk, jammed in with 23 other girls per trailer, with not enough space to pass by in the aisle.  

Her only worldly goods (personal possessions, letters, a tiny stuffed toy) were stored in a small plastic laundry basket stuffed under the lower bunk.

Allowed only 30 seconds after the "Good Morning, Chica" for feet to hit the floor from their beds, they had cold-water showers, with or without soap and shampoo.

Kids ALWAYS had to clean up the place when "company" was expected.  In fact, that's how they knew a seminar with visitors was planned...by the forced labor beforehand.

And, yes, her mother, like you, admitted later to having a sinking feeling while touring the facilities (even though she was being given the Dog and Pony show of the Upper Level areas, much "nicer").

Peri, Cross Creek may be a little better, but remember that approximately 600 American kids endured Casa...by far, the largest number of WWASPS kids in any facility. Thank God Mexico shut them down.  Now, if only Jamaica would do the same.
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2005, 10:22:00 PM »
I appreciate all the support and comments. it makes me feel a little less guilty for putting my daughter in that kiddie prison when I hear of other parents who have had similar experiences. Not that I want other kids to have to go there! I think CSA and CCM must do just enough to fly under the radar, but Tranquility Bay? What the hell???? That place is worse that  a real prison. I know these people do everything they can to prey upon families who are feeling helpless. Then to top off the injustice, they label themselves whatever they want to be in order to fit the situation. Your kid on drugs? We are a residential drug treatment program. Your kid out of control? We are a very strict boarding facility. Your kid have ADD or ODD? We are a Theraputic residential  program.Your kid want to get ahead in school? We are a self-paced college prep school. Your kid can graduate early if they work hard, and ready to go off to college immediately. So, because they use smoke and mirrirs to keep everyone off balance as to what they really are, no one knows who is supposed to be monitoring things. And that's just the way WWASPS wants it.
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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2005, 10:41:00 PM »
Perrigaud, I dont mean to put you on the spot like this, but why exactly was Cross Creek so much better than these places? How much of this do you think might be your filter?

Again, its not a insult to you, but this is just a touchy subject and its hard to not step on peoples toes.

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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »
Niles,
  Filter? No, try facts. Here are the reasons I say what I say. CCM is more expensive than the other programs. I've been to Casa and agree with everything that has been said about it be it negative or supportive. Anyhow, CCM was different. We had big oak bunk beds, we had an actual gym, We had outside basketball courts, the kids are involved in team sports (the upper levels get to compete with outside teams), we had a gym teacher, the schooling did suck if you weren't able to learn by reading and teaching yourself, but they offer a college program which allows upper levels to attend Dixie State, the food was fattening, there were 3-4 girls in every room that had it's own shower, sink and toilet, my parents visited all the facility including the isolation room, we were taken on off campus activities, gym wasn't just walking around, we each had our own group therapists (a contributor to the money factor), we had indoor gym when it snowed, rained, or was too cold, our uniforms were a shirt, pants, and sweatshirts, and we did have heat in our rooms. Filter? You can argue that my statement about how the program helped me (which it did and I stand by that)is through my filter. Go right ahead. Challenge it if you wish. But facts are facts. I just don't want people to generalize and know the truth.
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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2005, 11:56:00 AM »
Perri -
Its interesting to me that Cross Creek had conditions so much better than WWASP on average provides. So, Cross Creek is WWASPS' version of the hotel Hilton - that is no excuse for the deplorable conditions found in the other WWASP facilities.
And the fact remains, 'the program' is, in and of itself, emotional and psychological abuse - as well as physically abusive for any student experiencing isolation/OP/R&R/the Hobbit - what ever they call it; and the common, brutal restraint, described over and over by the victims.
And then there is the neglect so common in these programs - this also amounts to abuse of the mental and physical kind.
You might be interested in how the various WWASP programs were marketed to me.
Cross Creek was for the teen mental patients (thus the therapist, and why I could rest assured no mental patient would be enrolled at Dundee - Ha!) Majestic Ranch for the disturbed little kids. Dundee, TB, Spring Creek, Carolina Springs all geared toward the high school kid who had problems with drugs and alcohol and the related behaviors. But it was stressed that "the Program" was exactly the same in all the schools. It was a points and levels system, with group sessions and the seminars, which were never accurately explained or described.
There was no mention at all of anything remotely resembling OP. There was no mention of the restricted diet. In fact, Dundee's Chef was a selling point! Restraint was described as a rare event only used for out of control teens. No one told me it was in truth, Pain for Pain's sake, as a consequence for breaking any one of the absurdly restrictive rules, which were also never described. I had no idea the students were not allowed to have a conversation - or indeed to speak at all. No idea the students were not allowed to look up, or to the right, or left - None of this was explained in any conversation with Teen Help or in any of the literature or videos.  All of it is intended to inflict intolerable stress (emotional abuse) so as to make the teen more mentaly pliable (programable). The common term for this kind of treatment is Brain washing.  I have talked with other parents who were sold a Dundee  very different from what I was sold, but I have never talked to a parent who was told anything about these other disturbing aspects of The Program, weather they bought into Dundee or TB or Cross Creek. . .
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« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2005, 05:36:00 AM »
Buzzkill,
   When a parent sends a kid to the program there is a section that says something along the lines of "Should my child become a danger to him/herself/ or others they are able to be restrained (i.e. isolation)" I'll get a copy of the document my parents signed. They were well aware of what was going on. The reason why it's not hard for the programs to get away with "physical abuse" is due to the long contract. A lot of parents don't really read it and therefore are shocked when they find out about the horror stories.
Emotional abuse my ass. Dealing with fears and issues isn't easy at all. What? Do you think it's supposed to be nice and fluid? No. Get real. That's why they're called issues. Psychological abuse? I don't call my personal experience that at all. If anything it was stimulating. I'm sure this, as most everything else I say, will set some people off. Go right ahead. I'm all for sticking by what I believe in.
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« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2005, 05:39:00 AM »
Oh and the reason TB and Casa were so different were the fact that they were more about compliancy. The emotional stuff wasn't as important. That's why statistically the Casa grads weren't doing as well as the Cross Creek people. The reason the variations existed was to try to cater to different people. By this I mean that some kids just needed a lot of discipline. Others needed more therapy. Everyone's different. Oh and the restraint wasn't COMMON as you so easily said. Nice try. [ This Message was edited by: Perrigaud on 2005-02-12 02:41 ]
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