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« on: February 06, 2005, 12:20:00 AM »
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2555286


Licensing for 'therapeutic schools'?
"Muddy" definition: Programs for troubled teens are at issue, but some worry that boarding schools might also come under scrutiny
By Kirsten Stewart
The Salt Lake Tribune
 

 
 
A Senate committee hesitantly endorsed a bill on Friday that seeks to provide more oversight of Utah's thriving teen-help industry.
   Some lawmakers voiced concern that the measure could be construed to apply to boarding schools and not just live-in behavioral modification programs.
    Senate Bill 176 would create a new licensing category of troubled-teen programs dubbed "therapeutic schools." The measure defines these schools as residential treatment facilities catering to students "who have a history of failing to function at home and in school," private schools that offer room-and-board and "specialized supervision," or treatment programs for emotionally and behaviorally disabled youths.
   There are currently no state licensing requirements for such schools, said sponsoring Sen. Chris Buttars.
   "There is no oversight, no standardized mechanism to address complaints," he said.
   The West Jordan Republican carried similar legislation last year, but was criticized for having a conflict of interest as head of a residential treatment facility, the Utah Boys Ranch.
    Buttars has since retired, but says he is no less committed to keeping kids safe. He has made one concession   - excluding boarding schools from this year's version of the bill - in an attempt to avoid a run-in with Robert Lichfield, founder of a chain of controversial boarding schools who has dumped tens of thousands of dollars into key Republican campaigns.
    Nevertheless, the director of one of Lichfield's programs, Majestic Ranch, testified at Friday's hearing in opposition to Buttars' bill.
    The definition of therapeutic school "is so muddy that any school like us would be drawn in," said Tommy Johnson, director of the facility near Randolph.
    Johnson said the 60 students who  
 
 
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  live and attend class at the ranch are there voluntarily and primarily for an education. The school offers private psychological counseling, but not routine or mandatory behavioral treatment.
    "We don't cater to kids with severe disabilities or psychological disorders," said Johnson, who fears the ranch would have to expand its services and charge more tuition if required to be licensed as a therapeutic center.
    Johnson said she isn't opposed to regulation and stresses she endorses another oversight bill sponsored by Panguitch Republican Sen. Tom Hatch. Senate Bill 107 focuses on   giving state regulators more leeway to crack down on unsafe group homes. It has passed the Senate and is expected to come before a House committee soon.
    Buttars admitted his proposed regulations would apply to the Majestic Ranch, but said, "they should come under these rules."
   The school has been investigated three separate times for alleged abuse, resulting in one criminal charge and conviction.
    Sen. Greg Bell, R-Fruit Heights, expressed a desire to give schools like the ranch some regulatory relief, but said "Let's pass [Buttars' bill]   out and debate it on the floor."
   kstewart@sltrib.com
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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2005, 12:23:00 AM »
If you want to write in support of this measure, here's some contact info.  

http://lcpdutah.org/List2005.htm

http://se16.utahsenate.org/perl/spage/slead2005.pl
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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2005, 10:21:00 AM »
If you do write, be sure to point out that the proposal to exclude Majestic Ranch (or any WWASP program) is an outrage.
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2005, 11:36:00 AM »
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Johnson said the 60 students who live and attend class at the ranch are there voluntarily and primarily for an education

... and pigs fly   :rofl:
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2005, 02:34:00 PM »
Hey, this is a step in the right direction at least! Its a START and gets the 'foot in the door', so to speak.

Plus it might make those WWASPS fucks start spending some of their revenue to give the services they're supposed to be giving!

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2005, 02:42:00 PM »
Well, given adequate arc and thrust, pigs can, indeed, fly. So the question then becomes should they.

The term voluntary is so misused. According to officialdome, every single kid who ever sat in group at Straight, Inc. signed themselves in "voluntarily."

Of course, we were almost all minors and so afflicted w/ prohibitive legal disabilities should we lose the support and protection of our parents. Is it voluntary if your only alternative is to live on the street and wait till you come of age to finish school?

Many signed in under false pretense, having been told we could sign ourselves out after a few days or a couple of weeks. And even that was done under coercion, the idea being that after the initial "assessment" period, it would become clear to all that they were not addicts in need of treatment.

Still others were under court order by program friendly judges willing to abuse the legal system to force non-criminals into "treatment". Worse still? Some people found out years later that there never had been any damned court order!

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2005, 07:59:00 AM »
Lets not offend the great cash donor to the GOP - Bob Lichfield! It looks like they are just responding to some bad publicity in the tabloids. This legislation is obviously watered down.  If the WWASP programs are boarding schools - then why can't the kids have cell-phones, computers, calls home and other freedoms?  They are not boarding schools.........

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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2005, 05:39:00 PM »
If you wont offend him, I will.

Fuck you Lichfield!  :wave:

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TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2005, 02:02:00 PM »
If this law excludes academic boarding schools
then Utah TBSs can just hold themselves out to
 be "academic". Hyde in Maine does exactly that.

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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2005, 11:34:00 PM »
Thats where enforcement and noisy people such as us come in  :wink:

The disrespect for the possession laws fosters a disrespect for laws and the system in general... On top of this is the distinct impression among the youth that some police may use the marihuana laws to arrest people they don't like for other reasons, whether it be their politics, their hair style or their ethnic background.
                                                                     
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm' target='_new'>Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2005, 12:02:00 AM »
Tommy's point is very crucial to the reform of this industry.
These facilities are never going to be monitored and regulated, for what protection that would afford, as long as they can claim to be 'boarding' or 'specialty' schools.
State officials must be pressured to accurately assess what services are provided to ensure that the facility is required to obtain the proper license.
One thing for certain- they are not traditional boarding schools.
Are they a mental health facility?
Are they simply 'parenting' 'difficult' kids?
Boarding schools do not receive payment from school districts or insurance companies. Parents can't write off trips to see their kids in boarding schools.
Seems that insurance companies, the IRS and GAO would be very interested in this.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2005, 12:45:00 AM »
In my thoroughly jaded opinion, they're not going to properly control these programs by any new legislation or oversight. The idea that WWASP programs should be exempt because the call theselves "schools" doesn't pass the giggle test. And all the legislature who knows anything about it knows it. And yet I'm guessing they all sat there, stroking their chins, and sucked it all up w/ perfectly straight faces.

Business as usual.

These issues have been before law enforcement, legislators and regulators many, many times before w/ no meaningful action. Rarely has anyone even got a halfway decent civil settlement, even in the most agregious cases. Charles Long II just got convicted of negligent homocide and agrivated assault, but not for murder. And that's progress!

But what does the 'street' say? To my mind, the most useful result of all this would be that the people of Utah and the rest of the country start waking up to the harsh reality that our regulators and law enforcement are simply not going to do this for us. Either we start throwing the bumbs out who let this stuff slide or we quit pretending that they're able to provide this level of protection for us. Maybe some of both.

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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2005, 01:01:00 AM »
well, let's see......when my daughter was at CSA it cost us $53,000 dollars for one year, plus that $95.00 a month store charge. Fortunately, we had the presence of mind to pay month to month, and were refunded a partial month's fee, believe it or not. The "store" fee is a total joke, the kids buy maybe $10.00 worth of stuff each month, however, it is non-refundable and does not "rollover" to the next month if you do not use the entire amount. The food sucked, the buildings are old and ratty, the beds are cheap metal bunk beds with a thin mattress. They make you pay for some handed down uniform that doesn't even fit right, the "library" is a dusty little room with very few books, and the ones they do have are falling apart or just out-dated. There are no scheduled p.e. type activities or equipment. The girls flop around to donated aerobic videos, and after they are there awhile, they (most) look like street urchins. They have no hair dryers and the water is so cold and they have to go to bed with wet hair, so they start washing it about every 7-10 days. They sit around on their asses all day and listen to mind-numbing video and audio tapes they can recite in their sleep. The food is all high fat and high carbs so that the druggies and the anorexics can put on weight. Nevermind the fact they say they don't admit kids with these problems! They require the kids to eat 50% of each item on their plate whether it tastes like shit or not. Between the diet, dirty hair, and filthy rooms, they all end up with acne. Picture them withtheir little white faces that never sun,clad in oversized,banana yellow sweats, quite a pretty picture! Almost didn't
recognize my daughter after only 3 months. She is a very pretty girl,and that's not just her mom saying that. She is fastidious in her grooming, exercise, and diet. When we picked her up, she stank! Her hair was filthy, she had put on about 20 lbs., and her perfect skin was all blotchy and acned. I was so pissed. I can't believe I got off on this rant, sorry y'all, I was intended on making a point about CSA vs. her REAL boarding school. I will sum it up quickly. First off, it is a beautiful campus, the cost is approx. $17,000 a year, she has internet, cell phone, t.v., etc. The classes are all college prep with about 4-6 kids in each. She has only been there a week and a half, and is on the tennis team, cross-country, bell choir, and in the morning going snow skiing!She calls several times a day, has a very pretty room, the food is very good,(I ate there) and they treat the kids as equals, and listen to their ideas and input. I guess what I am trying to say through all this jumble is, how in the hell can those damn stupid people be so blind? If they even bothered to go to even one WWASPS facility they would see it immediately. That leads me to believe that all the powers that be, must be paid off. Someone either doesn't do their job, or they are dirty. Simple as that.
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2005, 01:02:00 AM »
Sorry so long, too much caffiene, too late at night.
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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2005, 03:25:00 AM »
Chi3,
  Cross Creek wasn't dirty like that. Before you go and generalize be aware that each facility is different. Casa was that gross. Anyhow, blind? My parents did visit the facility. We didn't sit on our butts. We had tapes true, but we also had activities. [ This Message was edited by: Perrigaud on 2005-02-10 00:26 ]
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