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« on: February 02, 2005, 06:28:00 PM »
It seems like there are a bunch of irreputable programs and sites referring for disreputable programs.  What are some of the quality programs and sites out there?
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2005, 06:43:00 PM »
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On 2005-02-02 15:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It seems like there are a bunch of irreputable programs and sites referring for disreputable programs.  What are some of the quality programs and sites out there?"


There's a program for everything these days, it seems.  What do you need a program for?
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2005, 07:39:00 PM »
Program aka adolescent treatment program.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2005, 08:06:00 PM »
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"Program aka adolescent treatment program."


Okay... but a GOOD program isn't a "Fix It All" program.  If there is a specific problem, there are professionals that specialize.

A good rule of thumb is to stay away from programs that treat Drugs, Alcohol, every psych problem under the sun, pregnancy, ADD/ADHD, and simple teenage rebellion - all under one roof.

You simply can't provide one treatment for all types of disorders - and when it comes to teens, a lot of "disorders" are imagined.

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2005, 09:54:00 AM »
also, you might look into an educational consultant.  while they are a bit pricey, it will ensure that your child is placed in the right setting for his/her needs.

the programs out there are not meant to be "fix alls".  they will not "cure" your children, they will simply give them tools need to head down the right path, and you, as the parent have to follow up on that.  You can't expect to ship your child off to a school and expect them to "fix" your child, then your child will come home and everything will be wonderful.  

My son currently is enrolled in such a residential program, but I have realistic expectations.  And those expectations are that the program will be a "wake up" call for him, and teach im that there are consequences for your actions.  The consequences I was able to place on him at home were simply not harsh enough so I had to take it to the next level.  I also realize that it will still be a struggle when he does return home and that we will have to continue to work at it and take it day by day.
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2005, 09:58:00 AM »
If a teen is mentally ill and actively dangerous to self or others, skip the programs, go to a *real* mental hospital and get the kid stabilized on a medication or combination of medications that will work for him/her.

Then you can do therapy on an outpatient basis from there.

If your insurance won't cover for long enough to get the patient all the way stabilized, see if the mental hospital has a day hospitalization program your kid can continue in, just coming home at night to sleep, until they've got him/her fully stabilized.

If the kid is juvenile delinquent in an actually criminal (really dangerous to others and their property--a danger to the community) way, I hate to say it, but juvie seems to be better conditions and safer than what you're risking with a boot camp program---and a lot of programs that say they aren't bootcamps strongly resemble them in a variety of ways.  The programs will tell you they work, but independent evaluations from researchers who have no financial stake in the results show that bootcamps just don't work.  Better to go with juvie and hope the kid grows out of it.  Some do.

If the kid is smalltime criminal in a non-dangerous way, pot, etc., your best bet seems to be traditional Mom Fu---searching rooms regularly and discarding any drugs or drug paraphernalia found is the only thing I know of that will inhibit a teen from storing little baggies of pot and stuff at home.  Don't take their word for anything, don't *ask* them anything if it's a potential temptation for them to lie---just check everything.

Between me and my cousins, I'm the only one I know for sure never tried pot.  And I did try acid twice in college.  I know otherwise responsible adults whose only vice is that they occasionally smoke a joint.  I've been to parties where middle-aged high-end professionals with stable lives wandered off in the back to smoke a joint.  I have friends who have overcome addictions to substances and have decent, responsible adult lives.

I didn't approve at the parties (and didn't go to anymore parties with that crowd, not just because of that---just not my kind of crowd, not a good mesh), and I don't approve now.  But I'm not their mother.

I guess my point is that all teens do things their parents don't like, and unless the teen is suicidal, homicidal, or stealing from stores or breaking into people's cars or houses, *usually* it's best to keep a white-knuckled grip on the steering wheel and ride out the storm.

I was a *huge* risk of deadorinjail.  A program would have killed me, not helped me.  I have a major mental illness of the kind that is statistically most likely to result in suicide.
(bipolar type II).

My parents rode it out.  It was the right thing to do.

A *better* thing to do would have been to get me in to a psychiatrist and properly diagnosed and treated, but in my case my parents were already so eccentric themselves that to them I seemed merely eccentric, not nutty as a fruitcake.  (Which, off my meds, I am---which is why since being put on them I've *never* gone off my meds, except once on doctor's orders when I was pregnant with our daughter.)

They rode out my sister's teenage rebellion.  Didn't approve, but dealt with it in normal parental ways.  It was pretty much as bad as almost anything here, but I'm not going to tell specifics out of school on my sister.  Let's just skip to the happy ending to tell you that she's happily married, churchgoing, she and her husband of many years have two terrific sons together, and live in a nice house in semi-rural Virginia.  (Rural, but dad commutes).

When I was in high school, we had a couple of kids die in a car wreck on a bad curve.  Had a kid suicide in or a bit after college.  But the overwhelming majority of people I knew, even the wildest ones, survived their turbulent adolescences and settled into responsible adults.  Even the college drug dealer and the college Satanist.  They grew out of it.  Oddly enough, both of *them* ended up working on highly classified stuff with high end government security clearances.  They were absolutely truthful on the polygraph about what they'd been into and that they were now out of it, and that was enough.

But then look at all the program kids who have had much more difficult outcomes from the psychiatric after-effects of the program.  The programs have permanently fractured a lot more families than they want you to know about.  They lead to a lot of suicides.  It doesn't seem infrequent at all for program families to have lifelong financial hardships both because of the program leaching all the family's hard-built capital *and* from it fracturing the bonds that would lead them to support each other in financially difficult times---support that is invaluable in weathering those times with the least long-term financial damage.

There *are* conditions that require putting someone in a lockdown situation for awhile.  Someone who's actively suicidal, homicidal, or physically hurting people (causing actual physical damage) or breaking and entering to steal---those mean you have to lock people up for awhile to protect themselves or the community.  Mental illness and criminality require different approaches, but.....

Other than that, locking someone away seems to do far more harm than good.

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2005, 11:01:00 AM »
I agree with the previous post in that if my parents had put me into a boot camp as a teen that I would have gone off the deep end.  They didn't though, they tried to be understanding at first and got me some counseling which I needed, and didn't get much out of because I wasn't very honest with the counselor.   Finally I did get some help from a treatment program. Not a boot camp, just a good program that could see through my lies and get me the help I needed.  I can't say that I totally enjoyed it, I certainly don't feel now that it was them against me or them locking me away.  I was doing some really stupid things, and I'm not sure that I wouldn't have gone off the deep end had they not got me the help I needed. I needed help in one way or another.  

At this point in my life - 10 years later, I am really glad that my parents did that for me. I really don't think I would be where I am now if they hadn't.

That being said I agree with the others in that there is a lot of garbage out there. A bunch of scams.  Get an ed consultant to help you, but don't rely solely on their advice, Really research what they give you and decide for yourself.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2005, 10:16:00 AM »
anon mom asking about Cedars Academy in Delaware, if anyone has experience or knowledge of program
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2005, 11:19:00 AM »
I used to meet pretty regularly with a support group of parents with teens in similar situations as mine, and we discussed this topic frequently.  It seems if you pull a search on google or yahoo of any number of search terms that you think would help you find a place to look, you end up with a bunch of the same results that don't really get you anywhere. Like - adolescent treatment programs troubled teen.  I don't know if this is because people in the industry just aren't very web savvy, or they just aren't crooks like the guys at troubledteen.us and some of the others.  In our parent discussion group several people talked about the book you can buy at strugglingteens.com.  It has places sreened by ed consultants so hopefully you can they have weeded out some of the aweful programs out there for you.  Their site seems to be pretty informative as well. You may also want to check out eprogramsearch.com I heard they aren't owned by a program or consulting group unlike many of the other "help" sites out there.  As for myself I have personal experience with the folks over at turnabout/stillwater academy.  I think that they are great people and do a really good job with kids.  Take that for what it's worth, after you've found a program that you really like make sure you ask others about it to help prevent getting yourself into something you with you hadn't.
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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2005, 11:29:00 AM »
Thanks for the help. I am still interested in any personal info about Cedars Academy in Delaware and Stone Mountain School in North Carolina.
Any info will be helpful
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2005, 12:43:00 PM »
***It has places sreened by ed consultants so hopefully you can they have weeded out some of the aweful programs out there for you.

What makes you think that they have 'screened' the programs? A day visit to the program provides very little information.

Peppered throughout this forum are accounts of Ed Cons refering to abusive programs and knowing very little about them. I find no security in the 'assumption' that they have screened any of the programs.

If you want to know about a program, talk to those who have been inside, ex participants and parents, not just those who are pleased with their experience.

Skip the Ed Cons and call the program directly. Ask your own questions. You know, the ones they don't like to answer.

Licensed and monitored?
Will they provide copies of their inspections?
Where you can find the regulations they are governed by?
Phone/Mail censored?
Public phone and numbers for reporting abuse available?
Contact with parents a right or privelege?
Frequency of home visits?
Consequences for violation of rules?
How is Behavior Mod used?
Is restraint used- chemical or physical?
Isolation rooms?
Limited calories or excessive exercise as punishment?
Group punishments?
Staff? Background checks?
Type of 'therapy'?
Participation in a particular religion required?
Demographics of the population?
How many runaways? Any previous violence?
Teens ever gained access to drugs, tobacco, or alcohol? Who from? How was it handled?
Any deaths or major accidents?

That's good for starters.
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2005, 10:11:00 AM »
that is a very good list!  Does anyone know anything about the Diamond Ranch in Utah?
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