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[Anonymous]

The word alcoholism, as defined by Webster?s New World College Dictionary, is a ?chronic diseased condition marked by psychological and nutritional disorders, marked by that compulsive consumption of and dependence on alcohol?

[Cayo Hueso]

Uh huh....see Greg's post right above yours??  Read it again. :roll:

A student burst into his office.  "Professor Stigler, I don't believe I deserve this F you've given me."  To which Stigler replied, "I agree, but unfortunately it is the lowest grade the University will allow me to award."
--Professor Stigler

[Anonymous]

http://www.physiciansnews.com/commentary/298wp.html

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-02-02 07:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"http://www.physiciansnews.com/commentary/298wp.html"

Uh huh....see Greg's post right above yours?? Read it again.   :roll:  :roll:  :roll:

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[Anonymous]

http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/faq/q-a.htm

[Anonymous]

#2:  Is alcoholism a disease?
Yes, alcoholism is a disease. The craving that an alcoholic feels for alcohol can be as strong as the need for food or water. An alcoholic will continue to drink despite serious family, health, or legal problems.

Like many other diseases, alcoholism is chronic, meaning that it lasts a person's lifetime; it usually follows a predictable course; and it has symptoms. The risk for developing alcoholism is influenced both by a person's genes and by his or her lifestyle. (See also "Publications," Alcohol Alert No. 30: Diagnostic Criteria for Alcohol Abuse and Dependence.)

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-02-02 06:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The word alcoholism, as defined by Webster?s New World College Dictionary, is a ?chronic diseased condition marked by psychological and nutritional disorders, marked by that compulsive consumption of and dependence on alcohol? "

You know an older version of the DSM also listed Homosexuality as a disorder.  The DSM is a little more scholarly than Websters dictionary.

In Law, there is a method called "Shepardizing" which involves finding a piece of case law that relevant to the case at hand, then making sure that the case hasn't been overturned, thereby rendering it useless.  

This goes on in research too.  But then again, you really haven't put any real research literature out there - just government and program propoganda.

[Anonymous]

i want to make sure you read the part about "Research Shows"

Q #3:   Is alcoholism inherited?
Research shows that the risk for developing alcoholism does indeed run in families. The genes a person inherits partially explain this pattern, but lifestyle is also a factor. Currently, researchers are working to discover the actual genes that put people at risk for alcoholism. Your friends, the amount of stress in your life, and how readily available alcohol is also are factors that may increase your risk for alcoholism

[Anonymous]

i knew you would find a way to argue facts.  i was asked to provide info and i did.

[Anonymous]

as a matter of fact, i can supply you all with all the research you could ask for.  it is all in my favor by professionals not voodoo practitioners

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-02-02 07:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"as a matter of fact, i can supply you all with all the research you could ask for.  it is all in my favor by professionals not voodoo practitioners"

Since you're not capable of following simple directions.....here...

Posted: 2005-02-02 06:48:00   See here is the problem..the beloved stepcraft program, which has infiltrated every aspect of society as relating to alcohol and drugs, is perpetuating a myth that they have found a "gene" that proves alcoholism is a disease. This myth has its roots in providing money for treatment and while it has served them a huge service as relating to funneling money into their coffers, it nevertheless is not grounded in any actual science. You don't "choose" a disease, and you don't treat a "disease" with raps , PB&J sandwiches, singing zippedeedoda and grabbing people by the beltloop.

So the problem is this..the "Disease" theory of addiction is a merely a fabrication designed to have medical insurance respond to treatment. A side benefit is it absolves all responsiblity off of the compulsive drunk and supports the stepcraft vodoo lie that "you are powerless". It has been told so many times it has become an urban myth, a self perpetuating lie.

Truth does not have to be accepted on faith. Scientists do not hold hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! Amen.
--Dan Barker, former evangelist and author

[Helena Handbasket]

The genes a person inherits partially explain this pattern, but lifestyle is also a factor. Currently, researchers are working to discover the actual genes that put people at risk for alcoholism. Your friends, the amount of stress in your life, and how readily available alcohol is also are factors that may increase your risk for alcoholism"

Yes... PARTIALLY!!!!!

That, coupled with the finding that a rat knows when to quit, really makes the "disease" model suspect.

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-02-02 07:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"i knew you would find a way to argue facts.  i was asked to provide info and i did.  "

Webster's dictionary is the best you can do?

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-02-02 07:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"as a matter of fact, i can supply you all with all the research you could ask for.  it is all in my favor by professionals not voodoo practitioners"

Bring it!

[Anonymous]

"So the problem is this..the "Disease" theory of addiction is a merely a fabrication designed to have medical insurance respond to treatment. A side benefit is it absolves all responsiblity off of the compulsive drunk and supports the stepcraft vodoo lie that "you are powerless". It has been told so many times it has become an urban myth, a self perpetuating lie."

And what makes this statement any more credible than the accepted viewpoint that alcoholism is a disease?  Who wrote this?  This is an opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.
If you want to believe the lie...you will believe the lie.
I would have to say that you are all in a big-time minority with your belief, you know fuck the experts, they don't know what they are talking about but we do.  What kind of bullshit is that?