G.T. Now

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-02-01 13:47:00, DC wrote:

"And I would suggest that if the evidence were red you woild swear it was green"

Did you not see the words entertain and might typed in ALL CAPS?

Necessity never made a good bargain
--Benjamin Franklin Apr. 1734

[Cayo Hueso]

You just keep telling us we're wrong and you base this solely on your experience, which btw you haven't even completed yet so you really have no fucking clue how well it's "worked" yet do you???  You're basic argument is "it works for us" with no backing of HOW or WHY you think it works.  We've given you very specific reasons WHY we think it is dangerous.  You give us incomplete, anecdotal "evidence".

Vain are the thousand creeds that move men's hearts, unutterably vain, worthless as wither'd weeds.
--Emily Bronte

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-02-01 13:40:00, DC wrote:

"I did not insult you, i merely stated the facts.  You are talking about situations that happened to you 20-30 years ago, I am talking about my experience which is right now.  You ahve no idea what you are talking about.  For every kid that ever had a bad experience with you I can show you a kid that will say it wasn't so bad.  So yes, you are a fraud and yes your argument is bogus, because your argument is ancient history.  And when I talked about name calling, well I didn't see anything like that in my previous posts.  I am not mean-spirited.  

Just because I was trying to tell you that they don't drink the kool-aid anymore, you guys attacked me.  "

Maybe you need to go back and read your own posts.

So let me get this straight - I'm a fraud because my experience is 20 years old?  You need a dictionary with your new set of reading glasses, guy.

Okay, so how do you explain the "Naked Crusader" incident which Trevor Aaronson detailed that happened in 1997?  Still too old for you?

I wonder what happened to those kids that attacked the poor newcomer.  Are you quite certain they're not on staff right now?

[DC]

Thats it.  Do you people  think that I have not done my own investigating of GT?  I looked long and hard.  I dug into it using the net and speaking to many people in the field of addiction.  REAL PROFESSIONALS.  I was pointed to GT.  yes I investigated.  I know that there is no Utopia.  I know that not everything is what it seems.  But you must understand, I have done my homework.  I have read this board for months without posting.  I have investigated what has been said for months.  You name me anything that you actually know about that would show me you are right.  Not the psycho-babble you spew.  Not about the harm of brainwashing.  These kids are in my home almost every night.  i love them.  They are all individuals.  You people are insane.  I wouldn't post previous to this because i recognized your anger.  i suppose i should not have posted knowing where it would end.
Please get yourselves some real help before it is too late.

[DC]

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[Cayo Hueso]

The more I do this little back and forth with you the more I'm convinced that you came here with this sole purpose in mind.  You started out asking for comments.  I think you really get off on this.  I think you're so insecure with your own beliefs that you've got to come to a site where you know damn well how we feel and you tried to draw us into this little tit-for-tat.  But again, you failed miserably.  All you can come up with is "it works for us".  As a matter of fact, this conversation has only served to reinforce MY belief that "the programs" are dangerous.  You're a prime example of it.

God grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, the good fortune to run into the ones I do, and the eyesight to tell the difference.
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[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-02-01 13:53:00, DC wrote:

These kids are in my home almost every night.  i love them.

Yeah, well my parents 'loved' all the kids who passed through our home too.  But when they woke up and realized what had actually happened, the guilt was almost overwhelming.

Please get yourselves some real help before it is too late."

Thanks but no thanks.  Don't need it.  I've had about all the fucking "help" I can stand.

I don't believe in Jesus.
--John Lennon, British songwriter and member of "The Beatles"

[DC]

Cayo,
You are laughable.  Everything is about ulterior motives.  I really didn't come here and post with this in mind.  Yes, that is what it has turned into, but not my intention.
Again, there you go with your conspiracy theories!

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-02-01 14:04:00, DC wrote:

"Cayo,

You are laughable.  Everything is about ulterior motives.  I really didn't come here and post with this in mind.  Yes, that is what it has turned into, but not my intention.

Again, there you go with your conspiracy theories!"

Again, no conspiracy.  Just a pathetic man who feels the need to pick at a scab to reinforce his simple minded beliefs.

If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit  people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good?  Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race?

--Frederic Bastiat -- 1801-1850

[Cayo Hueso]

Here's a specific link I want to know if you looked at.

http://www.ex-cult.org/General/singer-conditions

Better yet, show it to your daughter and see what SHE thinks of it. :rofl:  :rofl:

The introduction of a Creator has done our independence no good.
--Gore Vidal, author

[DC]

Wow, you are bitter aren't you?

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-02-01 14:04:00, DC wrote:

"Cayo,

You are laughable.  Everything is about ulterior motives.  I really didn't come here and post with this in mind.  Yes, that is what it has turned into, but not my intention.

Again, there you go with your conspiracy theories!"

I'm glad I can be here to amuse you. :wink: )

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2005-02-01 14:10:00, DC wrote:

"Wow, you are bitter aren't you?"

You bet your ass I am when it comes to this.  With good goddamn reason.

In the rest of my life I'm a pretty easy going, funloving person.  The only time my ire gets up is when dealing with ostriches such as yourself.

He that will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not, is a slave.
--William Drummond (1585-1640)

[DC]

Give me a break and quit being so melodramatic.

[Cayo Hueso]

First you say we're full of shit because we're not professionals and we're just telling you our 'stories'.  The Sara gives you her credentials and you say we're full of shit because we have no "personal experience".  Greg and I both gave examples of personal experience.  Why are we full of shit now???  What's the next thing you're going to come up with to avoid critical thinking??? :rofl:

People who are willing to give up freedom for the sake of short term security, deserve neither freedom nor security.

--Benjamin Franklin