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« Reply #135 on: June 18, 2005, 02:42:00 PM »
Jesus doesn't steal children's innocence and their souls.  Jesus is not for sale.  Jesus does not command children to beat up other children or program owners to spit in a child's face.  Jesus does not hurt children in the name of TOUGHLOVE.  Jesus is LOVE.

Remember that, Mary, next time you make excuses for the Sudweeks and The Whitmore.

May God have mercy on you, Mary, and anyone else who supports evil doers.

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« Reply #136 on: June 18, 2005, 03:36:00 PM »
If Mary sees the light, she will become the enemy to the Whitmore cult parents, teens and PURE so maybe that's what she is afraid of and why she continues to make excuses?  She may even be afraid that Chris did something wrong and is trying to protect him by shifting the blame to others?

If so, Mary .... FEAR NOT!

The truth shall set you free.
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« Reply #137 on: June 18, 2005, 04:14:00 PM »
shame on you to turn ones words i said god is all about love and have never used it in relation to whitmore only in reference to my own personal beliefs. I believe that mark and cheryl are mormon and i dont know one thing about their faith so if you are going to lie at least leave jesus out of it.
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« Reply #138 on: June 18, 2005, 04:18:00 PM »
I think you need to re read my post i believe i said i know nothing about cults and cant understand how anyone can fall for them if what they represent is evil because those that understand god know he is all about love.  I fear nothing as there are no skeletons in my closet.
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« Reply #139 on: June 18, 2005, 04:20:00 PM »
what exactly am i turning my back on??
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« Reply #140 on: June 18, 2005, 05:34:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-18 11:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

"gmom there is more to that story than you know its getting a little clearer why you are angry since tha was what you were told.  The truth will eventually come out but i have to respect those boys parents privacy.  I do however understand loyalty to a friend and its clear joyce is your friend so good for you that you stick by her thats admirable but some of the things you printed about her intentions arent true but it is not my place to clarify, hope you understand."


This has nothing to do with parents' privacy.  I think, it is you who does not know the whole story.  Do you know Joyce personally?  How would you know her intentions?  This also has nothing to do with friendship or loyality.  This has to do with kids getting abused at Whitmore.  These kids that have come forward are not fabricating stories.  And I'll give you a little clue about Mrs. Sudweeks.  She called my granddaughter and threatened her about saying anything that goes on at the Whitmore.  I talked to my granddaughter immediately after it happened.  

Listen to your son.  Or better yet, ask him about kids who were spit at among other things.
Those things did happen.  I have talked to KIDS who have varified that these abusive things happened and they participated.

Am I angry???  No.  Am I determined?  Yes.  Am I concerned for other kids who might be sent to Whitmore?  Yes.  Am I sorry for the kids who have left and are not believed by their parents?  Yes.

Imagine, if you were one of the kids that was sent to Whitmore.  Imagine having the things that have been discussed here happen to you.  Then, imagine if your own mother, the person who is supposed to protect you and help you, turns a deaf year and supports your abusers.  

How scared and alone and betrayed do you think that kid feels?  Especially, at the very time in their life they need your support, when they are growing into a young adult, which is hard enough.

I think, from what Chris has said about you financially cutting him off, that is the little ring you have through his nose.  You said yourself, when he got out of Whitmore, he wanted to close down all places like that.  There was a reason -- a good reason, and he has told that reason to others.  I believe, he tells you what you want to hear -- it's survival for him.

When you have come on here, in support of the Sudweeks or Sue Scheff, it's condoning the abuse some of these kids experienced, without even knowing what the evidence is. It seems to me, it would be best to say nothing, as you, obviously, know nothing.

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« Reply #141 on: June 18, 2005, 06:41:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-18 13:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"shame on you to turn ones words i said god is all about love and have never used it in relation to whitmore only in reference to my own personal beliefs. I believe that mark and cheryl are mormon and i dont know one thing about their faith so if you are going to lie at least leave jesus out of it."


Personally, I have friends who are Mormon. This isn't about Mormonism, although I don't think it's a coincidence that Utah is the home of abusive programs.  The Saints have a history of covering for each other and/or looking the other way.  It's only been recently that the Utah authorities have started cracking down on practicing polygamists ... and as it turns out, the teen help industry.  

Point is Mary ... anyone who abuses children is evil ... wake up and smell the coffee, will ya?
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« Reply #142 on: June 18, 2005, 06:43:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-18 13:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I think you need to re read my post i believe i said i know nothing about cults and cant understand how anyone can fall for them if what they represent is evil because those that understand god know he is all about love.  I fear nothing as there are no skeletons in my closet."


Mary, this is probably a waste of keystrokes, but... people fall for cults for one simple reason; they don't know anything about cults and so they don't recognize one when they see it.

Read up on cults and maybe the light will go off.


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« Reply #143 on: June 18, 2005, 07:04:00 PM »
gmom you dont know what you are talking about who do you think paid for his 500 dollar phone bill to talk to joyce harris and lets see that apt and food. stop lying
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« Reply #144 on: June 18, 2005, 07:38:00 PM »
I'm not lying, just repeating your son's words.  I also thought you said your son didn't call Joyce Harris, that he called her.  Let's get it straight.

Besides all that, what about the betrayal he is feeling from his own mother????  If you don't think that is there, then you are not thinking.  Put yourself in the same place he is in.  

I personally saw two boys humilitated by making them work in the 100+ weather in girl's clothes for two days.  Do you think that is okay?  To humiliate young teenage boys to punish them for their behavior?
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« Reply #145 on: June 18, 2005, 07:40:00 PM »
I'm not lying, just repeating your son's words.  I also thought you said your son didn't call Joyce Harris, that he called her.  Let's get it straight.

Besides all that, what about the betrayal he is feeling from his own mother????  If you don't think that is there, then you are not thinking.  Put yourself in the same place he is in.  

I personally saw two boys humilitated by making them work in the 100+ weather in girl's clothes for two days.  Do you think that is okay?  To humiliate young teenage boys to punish them for their behavior?  While, by the way, Cheryl is in her swimsuit taking a little dip in the pool?
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« Reply #146 on: June 18, 2005, 08:16:00 PM »
I'm not lying, just repeating your son's words.  I also thought you said your son didn't call Joyce Harris, that she called him.  Let's get it straight.

Besides all that, what about the betrayal he is feeling from his own mother????  If you don't think that is there, then you are not thinking.  Put yourself in the same place he is in.  If you don't think that boy feels more than a little fear, you are sadly mistaken.  Take a real good look.  When he told you the Sudweeks weren't what they seemed to be, you should have found out his reason for telling you that.  

No one can "go on," very well, if they have conflict with the past and unresolved issues.  What an unfair thing to ask of him.  Do you always sweep unpleasant issues under the rug instead of dealing with them?  Sounds like it to me.

But, again, the real issue here is the abuse caused by the Sudweeks or at their direction.  You obviously, don't know what the evidence is.  So how is it you sit there and defend someone, when you haven't heard the other side.  You either have your head in the sand or you are getting some sort of "reward" for the favor.  

I personally saw two boys humilitated by making them work in the 100+ weather, in girl's clothes, for two days.  Do you think that is okay?  To humiliate young teenage boys to punish them for their misbehavior?  While, by the way, Cheryl is in her swimsuit taking a little dip in the pool?
I call it cruel and inexcusable.
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« Reply #147 on: June 18, 2005, 09:22:00 PM »
Hello im not god and i wasnt there!!  It is not my place to judge anything.
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« Reply #148 on: June 18, 2005, 09:44:00 PM »
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"Hello im not god and i wasnt there!!  It is not my place to judge anything."


COP OUT .... pass the buck .... or should I say, koolaid?
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« Reply #149 on: June 18, 2005, 10:01:00 PM »
I was there, and I am telling you what I saw.  I am asking you, DO YOU THINK THAT THE THINGS THAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU ARE OKAY?  I didn't ask you to judge anyone, I asked your opinion.
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