Is it true Helen Petermann and Ruthie were lovers?

[Anonymous]

Is this the real reason why Helen left and started LIFE?  I heard this in the early 80's.  ANy truth to that LIFERS?  Fish eating Helen?

[dbucfan]

On 2005-01-12 17:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Is this the real reason why Helen left and started LIFE?  I heard this in the early 80's.  ANy truth to that LIFERS?  Fish eating Helen?   "

i like fish! :lol:

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-01-24 11:52:00, dbucfan wrote:

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On 2005-01-12 17:48:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Is this the real reason why Helen left and started LIFE?  I heard this in the early 80's.  ANy truth to that LIFERS?  Fish eating Helen?   "

i like fish! :lol: "

Beam me up, Scotty... there are no intelligent LIFErs down here.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-24 13:58:00, ~-=Sara=-~ wrote:

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On 2005-01-24 11:52:00, dbucfan wrote:


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On 2005-01-12 17:48:00, Anonymous wrote:



"Is this the real reason why Helen left and started LIFE?  I heard this in the early 80's.  ANy truth to that LIFERS?  Fish eating Helen?   "

i like fish! ::troll::

[Anonymous]

Hey Darren, do you even know what a troll is?

[Tony Stark]

I don't even know about her. All I learned recently is that when my brother was in Straight Inc. trying to become a staff member, that he turned in my family bible to Petermann. Her group failed after I left. All the book learners came in. She invited the media circus, not me. LIFE was a really easy place to be. Considering her past and what I've learned. But those damned peer staffers just didn't know to even stop running their mouths even while we were trying to eat our shitty food in our worn out unclean clothes.Boring rap sessions anyway. Really boring. :smokin:

If it is believed that... elementary schools will be better managed by the governor and council, the commissioners of the literary fund or any other general authority of the government than by the parents within each ward, it is a belief against all experience.
http://laissezfairebooks.com/product.cfm?op=view&pid=FF7485&aid=10247' target='_new'>Thomas Jefferson

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-25 12:16:00, The Seeker wrote:

" LIFE was a really easy place to be. Considering her past and what I've learned. But those damned peer staffers just didn't know to even stop running their mouths even while we were trying to eat our shitty food in our worn out unclean clothes.Boring rap sessions anyway. Really boring. :smokin:

LIFE may have been easier than some of the places that are or were out there but it was still awful.  I don't know when you were there but I would have taken a boring rap over a Susan Crandall rap anyday of the week.  She was hell in heels are a bitch to boot.

[Anonymous]

MY program was more bad than YOUR program.
A kinder gentler kind of abuse,huh?

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-24 19:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hey Darren, do you even know what a troll is?

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Someone who replies to every post possible to incite an argument or show their ASS. one who thinks that everyone should be as miserable as she is...agree with her without a fault even if it seems overblown and assuming. just an overall pain in the ass who is here for our amusement.
Love
Darren :rofl:

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-27 04:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"MY program was more bad than YOUR program.

A kinder gentler kind of abuse,huh?"

or maybe NONE AT ALL!!!! naw thats not possible...everyone was abused who attended the program. :scared:

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2005-01-27 16:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-01-24 19:42:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Hey Darren, do you even know what a troll is?


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Someone who replies to every post possible to incite an argument or show their ASS. one who thinks that everyone should be as miserable as she is...agree with her without a fault even if it seems overblown and assuming. just an overall pain in the ass who is here for our amusement.

Love

Darren :rofl: "

Not quite:  http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/t/troll.html

Actually, you should check yourself.  You are the one who is throwing out personal attacks because I don't agree with your opinion of the program.  I asked how you justify the methods used, on what grounds do you consider them correct, and if you would subject your own children to them.

That is the spirit of this entire board - to discuss what was wrong with the programs.  A troll is also defined as someone who baits others with another opinion just to get a rise out of them, but may not genuinely hold that opinion.  Believe me, my feelings about LIFE and the other programs are genuine.

My intention was to engage in an objective discussion - not a pissing match with you and and the other Anons.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-28 06:49:00, ~-=Sara=-~ wrote:

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On 2005-01-27 16:51:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-01-24 19:42:00, Anonymous wrote:



"Hey Darren, do you even know what a troll is?



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Someone who replies to every post possible to incite an argument or show their ASS. one who thinks that everyone should be as miserable as she is...agree with her without a fault even if it seems overblown and assuming. just an overall pain in the ass who is here for our amusement.


Love


Darren :rofl: "

Not quite:  http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/t/troll.html



Actually, you should check yourself.  You are the one who is throwing out personal attacks because I don't agree with your opinion of the program.  I asked how you justify the methods used, on what grounds do you consider them correct, and if you would subject your own children to them.



That is the spirit of this entire board - to discuss what was wrong with the programs.  A troll is also defined as someone who baits others with another opinion just to get a rise out of them, but may not genuinely hold that opinion.  Believe me, my feelings about LIFE and the other programs are genuine.



My intention was to engage in an objective discussion - not a pissing match with you and and the other Anons.
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I still think you fit the description because i cant say anything without a smart comment and you are FAR from objective...anyway i have answered your questions in the past...the methods worked for me...and while a bit uncomfortable and not much fun...nothing was taken away that i could not earn back...i was never "abused"(to clarify i by no means think that kids were not abused in a program)i believe that i appreciated my life, the world, my parents, quality friendships etc. so much more when i learned to stop being such a prick to my family...i actually had to take responsability for my actions that were hurting myself and my parents before i took the natural road of punishment of going to jail or injury or death...which was totally possible in my case...so i believe the methods were justified...however i can only speak for my situation. you may have been a total angel who did nothing to deserve a program...you may have had horrible parents that made a bad decision for you...or...you may have been a nasty, horrible spoiled person who thinks the world owes her something...someone who thinks that having television taken away from her is abuse...or how you NEED to use the telephone or you will die...i really dont care...all i know is that when i state my opinion and you attack me or try to shoot down everything i say or put up the "roll eye's" emoticon when i state that i didnt have staffers who made me sit in feces, blood,piss etc. you are not being objective you are being a bitch who wants to start some shit...look at yourself. :grin:

[Antigen]

Anon, no one's claiming that taking away television is abusive. Hell, I occasionally go on a no or limited tv kick w/ my kids just cause I think too much passive vegging out in front of the tube is bad for your mind.

And no one's complaining about the situational unpleasantness of being in the program.

Here's what I'm talking about. See if you can guess who authored this evil little recipe.

There are progressive steps in exercising control over an individual and changing his behavior and personality integration.  The following five steps (in the author of this site's condensed version) are typical of behavior changes in any controlled individual.
 
   1.  Making the individual aware of control is the first stage in changing his behavior.  A controlled adult comes to recognize the overwhelming powers of the state and the impersonal "incarcerative" machinery in which he is enmeshed.   The individual recognizes that definite limits have been put upon the ways he can respond.
 
   2. Realization of his complete dependence upon the controlling system is a major factor in the controlling of his behavior. The controlled adult is forced to accept the fact that food, tobacco, praise and the only social contact that he will get come from the very interrogator who exercises control over him.
 
 
   3.  The awareness of control and recognition of dependence result in causing internal conflict and breakdown of previous patterns of behavior.  Only an individual who holds his values lightly can change them easily.  Since the brainwasher-interrogators aim to have the individuals undergo profound emotional change, they force their victims to seek out painfully what is desired by the controlling individual.  During this period the victim is likely to have a mental breakdown characterized by delusions and hallucinations.
 
   4.   Discovery that there is an acceptable solution to his problem is the first stage of reducing the individual's conflict.  It is characteristically reported by victims of brainwashing that this discovery led to an overwhelming feeling of relief that the horror of internal conflict would cease and that perhaps they would not, after all, be driven insane.  It is at this point that they are prepared to make major changes in their value-system.  This is an automatic rather than voluntary choice.  They have lost their ability to be critical.
 
   5.  Reintegration of values and identification with the controlling system is the final stage in changing the behavior of the controlled individual.  A child who has learned a new, socially desirable behavior demonstrates its importance by attempting to adapt the new behavior to a variety of other situations.   Similar states in the brainwashed adult are pitiful.  His new value-system, his manner of perceiving, organizing and giving meaning to events, is virtually independent of his former value-system.  He is no longer capable of thinking or speaking in concepts other than those he has adopted.  He tends to identify by expressing thanks to his captors for helping him see the light.  Brainwashing can be achieved without using illegal means.  Anyone willing to use known principle of control and reactions to control and capable of demonstrating the patience needed in raising a child can probably achieve successful brainwashing.  

I tried not to work for, you know, anyone who ate children with their bare hands. I won't pretend that I was ideologically consistent.


--Dick Morris; Political consultant for Bill Clinton, Trent Lott and Tom Ridge

[Helena Handbasket]

...all i know is that when i state my opinion and you attack me or try to shoot down everything i say or put up the "roll eye's" emoticon when i state that i didnt have staffers who made me sit in feces, blood,piss etc. you are not being objective you are being a bitch who wants to start some shit...look at yourself. :grin:  "

Yeah, I am rolling my eyes.  I'm rolling my eyes, because I saw it happen, it damned near happened to me, and other people whom I'd never MET will tell you it happened to them, yet you want to sit there and say, "Nope, not possible, because I didn't see it."

Ya know - maybe you didn't see anything.  Maybe you were so blinded by light at the end of the tunnel - that oh-so-heavenly 7th step, you wanted that gold pendant so badly, that you didn't realize that people were pissing themselves in front of you.  Maybe you were just so blinded by the prospect of "getting out" that you didn't see or feel all the kids you had to walk over to get there.

Fine, Darren.  You got there.  If LIFE/STEP was so good for you, what the fuck are you doing here?

[Anonymous]

WHAT ABOUT THE ORIGINAL FUCKING QUESTION?   FISH EATERS?  I WANT THE FACTS.  HMMMMMM?