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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2004, 01:33:00 PM »
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On 2004-12-30 10:19:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2004-12-29 19:49:00, Anonymous wrote:


I'd like to add that all of your statements border on irrational in the real world. I don't personally know one single parent that would look at what you said and agree with it.




Yup, insularity has it's perks. However, I'm a parent, you know me to some exten, and I agree w/ much of what the other poster has said.

The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.
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Heck, *I'm* a parent.

I'm 37 with a 9 year old.

And I know a fair few parents, some with teens, some with grown kids, some with kids smaller than mine---running the gamut, really---who agree with at least a fair bit of what I said.

Their jobs just aren't as flexible as mine.

The level of groupthink among program advocates is incredible.

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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2004, 02:21:00 PM »
That was me that wrote about the billboard signs. I agree that they would just make rules about looking out the windows. In the years since Straight I often think "what if" things, like "what if I had known more about brainwashing?" Then maybe they could not have gotten to me?

Just a few years after Straight, I was sitting in a waiting room (completely voluntarily) at a community mental health facility. On the wall was a big poster listing all of your rights as a client of ANY mental health facility (at least in that state). Well whattayaknow, my rights had been violated in Straight! What if Straight had had those RIGHTS posted on the wall? (Still not enough, but something.)

In rereading my first post, perhaps I overstated my point regarding years of anxiety and depression. From the outside, things might have seemed normal. After all, I went back to school, graduated on the honor roll, went to AA and NA meetings...

But then I could never figure out what to do. I had been so brainfried at Straight that nothing really mattered to me anymore. Again, hard to see from the outside, except that I went from place to place, school to school, job to job. Very normal, upstanding citizen. Mildly agoraphobic, paranoid, and with occasionally very noticeably poor social skills due to being trained in dissecting what I thought were other people's problems and then telling them about it.

I still struggle. The etiology of despair is not necessarily obvious. Those who are incarcerated now may have years of feeling like things aren't right, like the pieces of themselves are stuck together all wrong. Or, like they are just completely missing. This can take a long time to come to the surface. I am not surprised that recent undetainees still speak highly of whatever cult prison they were in.
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2004, 02:21:00 PM »
You missed my point completey and sound like "program"!
The clue was "unsuspecting parent".  I woke up later - and the damage was done!  Participants are UNAWARE indeed of what is happening to them - and that is what is so evil about it.
I stand corrected, though, it was FOCUS.  Escaped terrible VISIONS!
The truth about these techniques will come out!
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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2004, 03:19:00 PM »
I too have wanted to put up billboards by Pathways which is really Straight and by the old Straight building. I'd be willing to put money into something like this to make it happen. I think it would be great if something like this could get organized and happen.
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am looking for people who survived Straight in Plymouth, Michigan. I miss a lot of people there and wonder what happened and would like to stay in touch.

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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2004, 12:45:00 AM »
Your questions had Barbara F gave you a ugly looks!  That's the funniest thing I've ever heard!  Ms. Fagan would not have just looked at you but asked you enough questions to help you get real clear on what you were feeling.  

If you wanted to make a little money off the program maybe you should join the staff over at PURE!  THey're making a lot of money off the program by badmouthing it, legally!
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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2004, 03:54:00 AM »
Miseducated,
    You really do sound like a poor victim here.
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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2004, 08:06:00 AM »
I do? Well, thanks! It is really nice of you to notice what I was saying, about how being brainwashed when I was a child has made for a lot of hard years. I appreciate your sympathy. I don't want to make it sound so terrible, I spend a lot of my time very enjoyably. There are some things that got messed up back then, though, in the cult I was in, and I really do have to figure them out now.
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2004, 09:51:00 AM »
Good luck with that.
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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2004, 11:48:00 AM »
Anon,

Don't try and tell me what my experience was. Barbra Fagan did not appreciate my questions.
My questions brought out the obvious. She harrassed me for the next few days. The facilitators dont appreciate free thinkers.

If you question them you are targeted to be bullied, humiliated, harrassed.  " My experience of YOU" is an opportunity to insult someone while hiding behind Cult jargon.

She did'nt appreciate my pointing out the abundance of money that was being made. I was looking at investment opportunities. How could we all get an opportunity to invest in the new facilities? We were a community. A neighborhood. Friends. We were all responsible for each other.

No, we could go out and "make a difference", but not benefit finacially from our concerted efforts.

BTW  Credits were never received from our efforts to "Make a Differnce." Our Visions group was very good. We were told credits were never given to others. HMMMMMMM   I wonder why?

At that time I was unaware of the conspiracy of ownership.

Barbra did'nt appreciate my questions. Too BAD.

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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2004, 01:13:00 PM »
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http://helpyourteens.com/

Actually, it's my understanding that PURE had to spend a lot of money defending their right to tell what they know about WWASP. And they won that case, even in a Utah court. That says a LOT about this particular band of "saints", doesn't it?

But I'm told they make their money by refering kids to other programs. I've heard that Whitmore/Whoamidiscovery (Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks, also perennially under investigation) depends on them nearly exclusively. Anyone know if that's true or not?

Here's some discusion and info on Whitmore
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... m=35#69161

I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say that one is an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow it was better to say one was a humanist or agnostic. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect that he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time.
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« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2004, 04:31:00 PM »
Just curious, what did you really mean by "poor victim"? It sounded like a loaded phrase, but I did not want to assume the worst.
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« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2005, 04:58:00 AM »
Take it how you want to. Like I said. I know that there are real victims and those who are full of it. I'm not saying you're either one. [ This Message was edited by: Perrigaud on 2005-01-03 03:56 ]
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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2005, 11:26:00 AM »
Ginger,

I dont have any information on the question you ask.

I DO know that here in my state the three different Ed Cons I had conversed with after our Program experience, that none of them refer to WWASP. They didnt elaborate why just that they would never refer to WWASP.

I have heard it from others too.
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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2005, 12:34:00 PM »
I found it interesting that when I called Lon to let him know how I felt about our wwasp experaince; and to suggest he stop advertising for such a program; He insisted he never refers to them, and if I had hired him, instead of just reading his web site and booklets, he would not have refered us to wwasp.
Of corse, I maintain the extensive advertising amounts to a referal - but he disagrees.
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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2005, 12:41:00 PM »
But of course he disagrees, because the bottom line always has to do with $$$$$.
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