Author Topic: Clare Woodman  (Read 10005 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Cynthia

  • Posts: 318
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2005, 12:40:00 AM »
Another comment about Missy; She makes a huge effort to keep parents informed.
To those of you who don't have children, you never really comprehend, just how much your own parents love you until you see your own child for the first time. It is the most amazing feeling I have ever had. You finally figure out what your life is about.
At least that is when I finally understood that kind of love.
Missy understands this and helps to ease their (parents) worries. I will forever be greatful to her.
She is the angel in the blue jeans! :nworthy:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2005, 10:46:00 AM »
Quote
On 2004-12-31 21:40:00, Llahsram wrote:

"Another comment about Missy; She makes a huge effort to keep parents informed.
To those of you who don't have children, you never really comprehend, just how much your own parents love you until you see your own child for the first time. It is the most amazing feeling I have ever had. You finally figure out what your life is about.
At least that is when I finally understood that kind of love.
Missy understands this and helps to ease their (parents) worries. I will forever be greatful to her.
She is the angel in the blue jeans! :nworthy: "


Yea we know Cindy. You will forever be grateful to her for her brain washing your son. What a fuckin loon...

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Chrysta

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 266
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2005, 11:18:00 AM »
my god...leave her alone. She should be greatful if Elan helped to change her son for the better.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2005, 11:22:00 AM »
BACK TO TOPIC.
LOVED CLARE.
SHE WAS AWESOME.
TOUGH BUT INVOLVED
SHE OVERWORKED HERSELF ALL THE TIME
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2005, 04:46:00 PM »
Hey Cindy cut me some slack.  I thought we sort of dressed alike. lol.  thanks for the kind things you say to me on the site.  Hi Mary,  you little beast.  Remember when you and Karen scared me upstairs?  Hi Maren and Mandy.  You guys are favorites of mine too.  Missy Esty
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Cynthia

  • Posts: 318
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2005, 06:30:00 PM »
Hey Missy, We do, I  just envy that you can go to work that way. I would love to wear my Birks and socks to work but OSHA won't allow it. I hope you are doing well. I miss talking with you.
Hey, did you really interview in a pink suit or is it a crazy rumor?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Pinkalici0us

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 51
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2005, 11:07:00 PM »
Quote
On 2005-01-04 13:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hey Cindy cut me some slack.  I thought we sort of dressed alike. lol.  thanks for the kind things you say to me on the site.  Hi Mary,  you little beast.  Remember when you and Karen scared me upstairs?  Hi Maren and Mandy.  You guys are favorites of mine too.  Missy Esty"


Hi Missy!  Yes, I laughed when I read that.  Sorry, I have a thing of being dumb `n spontaneous, Karen was just guilty by association  :lol: Happy New Year!!!

-Mary Grace
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MarenD

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 228
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2005, 11:34:00 PM »
MISSY HEY! I missy you.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Chrysta

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 266
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2005, 11:36:00 PM »
hey missy, do you remember me? I was in e8 like 8 years ago...how are you?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2006, 05:12:00 AM »
Right, except when Missy keeps in constant contact with parents she lies.  
Missy would do much better if she got a little educated, did a little bit of self reflection and took a break from Elan for a few years.  Unquestioned, complacent, non stagnation is not so much a sign of dedication as it is of fear.
I'd like to believe that Missy is a good person, stuck in a bad place, that brings out bad things in her, and that she just doesn't know any better.  If I can quote from Help At Any Cost by Maia Szalavitz, page 67-68.
"Psychologists believe that Stockholm syndrome is caused by being placed in a situation of dependence on others who induce fear.  People often adapt to such ordeals by trying to placate their captors-and by becoming grateful for small acts of kindness.  By identifying with their captors and trying to manipulate them into providing better conditions, the victims gain a sense of control.  Through cognitive dissonance, however, this can cause the victims to support their own oppression by internally adopting the stance of their oppressors.  It is less psychologically stressful for the victims to adopt the captors' perspective than to dwell on their own helplessness.  Consequently, victims come to believe that they deserve harsh treatment."

So, in summation, Missy may have been better than others but she only seems good in comparison.  You had no control there and sometimes the only kindness of any sort you would receive in days or weeks would be from her.  So those singular moments of normalcy take on greater importance, because they were such uncommon experiences.  That doesn't mean your relationship was anything more than it what it really was, a contrived deliberate assignment where you were supposed to feel loyalty and love towards a person who, if you had the same relationship with outside of Elan or in a situation where you at least had a modicum of control, you would have run from, screaming, recognizing it as the abusive relationship it was.  
It is possible that Missy could really help people in a meaningful tangible way that is a result of her own hard work and caring rather than a false, corrupt and artifical world designed to create dependence.  Missy, run, don't walk away from Elan.  You are really doing more harm than you know.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2006, 11:18:00 AM »
Quote
On 2006-04-10 02:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Right, except when Missy keeps in constant contact with parents she lies.  

Missy would do much better if she got a little educated, did a little bit of self reflection and took a break from Elan for a few years.  Unquestioned, complacent, non stagnation is not so much a sign of dedication as it is of fear.

I'd like to believe that Missy is a good person, stuck in a bad place, that brings out bad things in her, and that she just doesn't know any better.  If I can quote from Help At Any Cost by Maia Szalavitz, page 67-68.

"Psychologists believe that Stockholm syndrome is caused by being placed in a situation of dependence on others who induce fear.  People often adapt to such ordeals by trying to placate their captors-and by becoming grateful for small acts of kindness.  By identifying with their captors and trying to manipulate them into providing better conditions, the victims gain a sense of control.  Through cognitive dissonance, however, this can cause the victims to support their own oppression by internally adopting the stance of their oppressors.  It is less psychologically stressful for the victims to adopt the captors' perspective than to dwell on their own helplessness.  Consequently, victims come to believe that they deserve harsh treatment."



So, in summation, Missy may have been better than others but she only seems good in comparison.  You had no control there and sometimes the only kindness of any sort you would receive in days or weeks would be from her.  So those singular moments of normalcy take on greater importance, because they were such uncommon experiences.  That doesn't mean your relationship was anything more than it what it really was, a contrived deliberate assignment where you were supposed to feel loyalty and love towards a person who, if you had the same relationship with outside of Elan or in a situation where you at least had a modicum of control, you would have run from, screaming, recognizing it as the abusive relationship it was.  

It is possible that Missy could really help people in a meaningful tangible way that is a result of her own hard work and caring rather than a false, corrupt and artifical world designed to create dependence.  Missy, run, don't walk away from Elan.  You are really doing more harm than you know."


Uhh, did you happen to notice to post youre replying to is about 18 months old?

Duh.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2006, 05:58:00 PM »
Its a shame that after 20 some years you still allow Elan a moment of thought Felice.

Claire (and her husband Jim) were in the program during a very wild and fucked up time. Claire was in Elan 7, a really fucked up house to say the least.

Knowing Claire, and a bit about where she came from and what she went through in Elan to get herself together, it seems difficult to believe that any person who went through the program would have any motivations to become a staff member other than that of a personal need to legitamately help some fucked up kids.

I cant say this site is completely useless, though on the surface it would seem to be largely a waste of fucking cyberspace. But the kid industry needs to be kept in check. Maybe Fornits helps keep a magnifying glass held over places like Elan and that is a good thing. But 99% of this site is bullshit.
On the other hand, fornits, or the thoughts and ideas of the people of fornits is pretty extreme. While the site promotes a closer look at these places, its aim is to shut them all down? Can you say "dilusional"? I cant help but think that fornits has no direct effect on the PRESENT injustices dolled out to kids in these programs if in fact they continue to exsist.
A hard look at reality says these places are not going anywhere. 1 or 2 close thier doors, and another 1 or 2 open. Too bad resentment motivates the people of Fornits, when it could be far more effective if the people here had a common mission to raise awareness of what goes on NOW (rather than what went on in the fanastic past)
Challenge your local and national goverments to oversee these programs with a more powerful magnifying glass. Write your legislators to encourage more rigorous inspections and monitoring of these places. Take an active roll in what EXSISTS NOW, rather than the dilusional push to close them all down based on your own largely exagerated experience in one of them years ago.

While many people accuse Claire and other staff members of continuing the abuse that you/we/she experienced or witnessed back in the day, the reality is that many more lives are enhanced by these programs than are disrupted. The ratio is likely far more in favor of possitive experiences now than it was in the past.
I have to believe that Claire, and others like her (former residents of Elan) make a contribution to the good of Elan as oposed to being some so-called "brainwashed enforcer of evil" upon children.

Felice, I believe you have a valid beef with Elan, the people who sent you there, the people who subjected you to some pretty inhumane treatments for what may be or may have been a psychologic condition in need of medical treatment. But trust me, theres people that would be happy to know youve "let it all go" and took what few things you might have learned in Elan (or since then) with you in pursuit of closure and personal happiness... rather than the decades of lingering complaints and blame.

Is Elan really a valid excuse for all the bullshit youve been through since you left? Youre not the only one who got fucked Felice. Its been a while since Ive seen you or read your current feelings but based on my dealings with you in the past, Id say you continue to have some need to DISPLAY your Elan scars to everyone. Seems thats pretty common in here.

Youve got X amount of years left on this planet. Id guess your 40 years old now. How on earth can you spend even one more day, one more hour, one more SECOND of your life giving any thought at all to Elan? If you cared at all about Elan and the kids there now, you would know how much the program has changed, how well it does to prepare kids for the  responsibility of life on thier own.
Your Elan doesnt exsist any more. Its gone, Burried with Joe Ricci maybe?

But Ill also add this Felice. I think for anyone to go through what you went through in Elan in adition to what youve been through since leaving and LIVED to 40 years old to tell about should be proud.
Is it unreasonable to say youve defied some pretty terrible odds? Have you ever used that momentum to get to where you want to be?

Dont let Elan and its memory cast a dark shadow over one more minute of your life Felice. Get away from this place. Get away from Elan and its memory. Find some way to look back on it and be inspired by the fact that you survived it.

I hope your ok, and hope everyone here is or gets OK. I really dont think fornits lends itself to those ends though. Thats likely why you dont see me here anymore.

Im sure you know who I am by now Felice. Do me a favor and dont mention it here. The trolls with thier infinite wisdoms of the character and worthiness of people they may be able to identify with a name admitadly gets under my skin if just a little. Only because I cant stomp on thier faces which is the only way to get a little reality through to them.
NONE of you know me, or where I come from or where I am going. And Ill say this, Im happy and content with my life. So say what you gotta say if you really gotta say it, because it has no effect on me and my life, which I have no complaints about.

No, Im not Ken, or Art, or Bill or Bob or Pete or Richard or Uncle Fester.

Ill get a bigger kick out of the trolls who guess than they will posting that guess, and the swill that will follow.

Good luck Felice.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline xres8182

  • Posts: 560
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2006, 11:51:00 AM »
I'm pretty sure Jim was in seven with me,and you are right it was a fucked up house.Should have called it gladiator house.Claire was in 8 with Ann and Linda.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Troll Control

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7391
  • Karma: +1/-0
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2006, 11:56:00 AM »
Quote
Too bad resentment motivates the people of Fornits, when it could be far more effective if the people here had a common mission to raise awareness of what goes on NOW...


Please don't generalize.  There are many of us that put in exhaustive amounts of labor to make a difference right now.

You're right in one sense: this forum is about the most petty and useless (for the purpose outlined above).

Maybe you can help, too.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
The Linchpin Link

Whooter - The Most Prolific Troll Fornits Has Ever Seen - The Definitive Links
**********************************************************************************************************
"Looks like a nasty aspentrolius sticci whooterensis infestation you got there, Ms. Fornits.  I\'ll get right to work."

- Troll Control

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Clare Woodman
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2006, 12:06:00 PM »
difficult to make a difference here at fornits,though many here I am close to. any real conversation is minimized by those who demand attention be paid to them full time. Seems i have had a similar conversation with you Felice.
Not sure I agree with all that was posted prior but some of it does make sense. Proud to have you as my friend and this summer Jackie and I are comin to see you
art
ps  ... bringin the good stuff from Kauffmens!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »