president bush

[Antigen]

On 2004-12-21 13:46:00, misbehaver wrote:

"It's not about Bush, the FBI or the ACLU. It's about WHATEVER it takes to save American lives. I don't give a shit if Mother Theresa gives a table dance or golden shower at Gitmo. It's about saving lives; that means gathering intel by any means available. This isn't Straight or some other twisted up rehab, this is WAR. Jason"

Right. That's just how the drug warriors have always defended their misdeeds; whether it's locking us up in warehouses for a little brainwashing, shooting unarmed suspects, cultivating snitches or planting evidence.

Has it worked? Are we all straight now? Are there less drugs? Less drug crime? Less harm from illicit drugs? No?

Then maybe what we're doing isn't working very well. Even when we do it to excess, even to extreme excess, it still doesn't work, does it?

All they'll accomplish by torturing suspects (and these are merely suspects, not people convicted of any crime by any jury or anything) is to 1) generate a lot of false confessessions and leads and 2) further convince the Arab world that Westerners are a bunch of immoral, sadistic pigs.

All good intentions aside, these fuckers are doing far more harm to the interests of a safe and secure America than any good they could possibly accomplish by these methods.

You have rights atecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe.

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/rulebook.html' target='_new'>John Adams

[Anonymous]

Long have the powerful desired a war without end.  The drug war was good, but the war on Terra is even more excellent!  Because you can sell more weapons to more nations.  And the warriors are also the instigators!  Brilliant.  It may be necessary to blow something up once in awhile to keep up the fear level, but we can still sell more weapons than anyone could ever need!!

[Scarstruck]

The cia blew up WTC

[Trekker Jag]

On 2004-12-25 19:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Long have the powerful desired a war without end.  The drug war was good, but the war on Terra is even more excellent!  Because you can sell more weapons to more nations.  And the warriors are also the instigators!  Brilliant.  It may be necessary to blow something up once in awhile to keep up the fear level, but we can still sell more weapons than anyone could ever need!! "

Yeah, and a lot of people were starting to get hip to the ruse of the War On Some Drugs.  Even cops and churchgoing grandmaswere beginning to question it.

[Antigen]

No shit! I've long thought that most of the people involved in drug policy reform are too niave. When 9/11 hit, their first impulse and public position was to bury the hatchet in the name of brotherhood. That was just before the "pot smoking = terrorism" Super Bowl Blitz.

It really and truely never was about drugs, was it?

All contemporary religions and churches, all and every kind of religious organization, Marxism has always viewed as organs of bourgeois reaction, serving as a defense of exploitation and the doping of the working-classes.
--Nikolai Lenin, Russian revolutionary

[irvingbound]

I don?t think it does either, however, the governments allowance of our treatment in Straight can sometimes serve as a very valid reference point when forming personal opinions on whatever else the government might be allowing.

The government didn't have a lot to do with our treatment considering it was privately furnished and usually paid for.  Now the governments not holding that privately run companies board accountable...that is another story.....as for WAR...at all cost you do what you can to gain intel....just my 2 cents

Daryl

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-06 17:31:00, irvingbound wrote:

"

I don?t think it does either, however, the governments allowance of our treatment in Straight can sometimes serve as a very valid reference point when forming personal opinions on whatever else the government might be allowing.

The government didn't have a lot to do with our treatment considering it was privately furnished and usually paid for.  Now the governments not holding that privately run companies board accountable...that is another story.....as for WAR...at all cost you do what you can to gain intel....just my 2 cents



Daryl

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Thats exactly what I meant, what they ALLOW.  Not what they perpetrate.

[Carmel]

Arg! That was me.

When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence.
-- Gary Lloyd

[Anonymous]

The government didn't have a lot to do with our treatment considering it was privately furnished and usually paid for.
Daryl

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Really?  You haven't done much research into this have you.

[Anonymous]

http://www.the8thstep.com/

Feb. 1, 1972 Excerpts from the Grant Request by the Seed to the Department of Health, Education and Welfare. Approved June 20. 1972. (Question marks indicate text that was illegible)
 
Purpose of the Grant - Drug Abuse Services
 
Name of the Project -  THE SEED
 
Total Project Period - from 2/1/72  through 1/31/80
 
Grant Period - from 2/1/72 through 1/31/80
 
Grantee Institution - The Seed, Inc.
                      1311 S. Andrews Avenue
                      Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33316

[Anonymous]

Not to mention Nancy Reagan, Robert DuPont, ALL of the Bushes, Mel Sembler....the list goes on and on and on.  The government was DIRECTLY involved with our "treatment".

[irvingbound]

Even if Straight had goverment funds, which during the Reagan years was being passed out to anyone who wanted to open a "rehab", the Goverment did not run Straight...and didn't focus the time and energy on having anyone do true monitoring of such programs...Other idiots ran Straight....and we were the byproduct of their methods of madness to gain more riches....I didn't do as much time as others, and more than some...but it was always my opinion that Straight was just a privatly run money grubbing company that really could have cared less about anyone in there.....One fact is they used scare tactics to get their "clients" they used scare tactics to keep their "clients" and didn't even have an impatient license...I took Prozac over half the time I was in there...No doctor in their right mind would prescribe me that when I got out....Just another money making "add-on"....but who am I preaching to..the choir?  We all know what they were all about....Did anyone ever know anyone to be turned away after their 14 day eval??  

You are right...I only know what I've heard, and the little I've read...but I can't blame the Goverment...and I blame myself for being put in there...but I blame the company for it's actions against me and all of you...

D

[whiterabbit]

The state of Florida failed to protect minors under it's jurisdiction.

The state of Florida issued Straight a license in spite of reports of child abuse, false imprisonment and recommendations NOT to from it's own investigators.

The US ambassador to Italy and the former US ambassador to Spain started Straight. They were on the board of directors for many years including during Miller Newton's tenure in the early 80's. Wouldn't the board be responsible for overseeing the treatment protocols and therapuetic philosophy?

Nancy Reagan endorsed Straight. So did former President George Bush.

The government didn't perpetuate abuse. They just ignored it and acted like they didn't know anything about it. Sound familiar?

As a rule, children love their parents, believe what they teach, and take great pride in saying that the religion of mother is good enough for them.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-07 20:14:00, whiterabbit wrote:

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Nancy Reagan endorsed Straight. So did former President George Bush.

He and Barb wrote endorsements that were included in brochures.  Jebby now endorses one of Straight's incarnations, SAFE (although he didn't see fit to put his daughter there even though he said it was the best, guess she didn't deserve 'the best').  Mel and Betty continue to shout their support of Straight/DFAF to ANYONE who will listen.   W is just a moron who wants to screen the ENTIRE POPULATION for mental illness.  I know, that has nothing to do with the program, but it really pisses me off.  These people have way too much influence over our lives.

[Anonymous]

I was in STRAIGHT the day Clayton Williams announced he was running for govenor...I was "guarding" a door.  We (my family) knew the Williams and he recognized me as he was walking out...he patted me on the shoulder and told me to "keep on"   and what I didn't know is that it was on the Midland news (where I was from) and some of my buddies saw it....damn it!

But anyway, sure politicians were behind it....STRAIGHT was a card trick...they were showing all aces, but holding nada...If your a politician in the era of the rehab...and a program is showing a high percentage rate, while "taking the war to the problem"....thats the republican way isn't it....then it looks like a good thing to endorse...and the Bushes have a strong connection to Midland and how many Midlanders were in STRAIGHT?  It doesn't help that a lot of kids were so brainwashed after they got out they HEAVILY endoressed the program....they had gone from Sid Vicious shirts and cocaine smiles to clean cut kids who loved their mommy and daddy's.....looked like success....

And there were success stories...I've know a few people who really had a hold on subriety when they got out...and were not fucked up in the head....just as I've known the polar opposite.  

The fact that STRAIGHT held records from the inspectors, hid misbehaviors during those inspections, did all their damage behind closed doors, makes then accountable and those same politicains should have held them so, but that is the extent of their blame in my eyes....

D