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Offline Christopher Riner

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« on: November 15, 2004, 11:18:00 PM »
Most messages I see are just a bunch of complaints about what is going on or what went on in the schools.  I don't really see a whole lot of ideas about what could better any of these situations.  Do you guys have kids in the school (or have you had any?)  I know that there are tons of people who think that a huge injustice went on with the schools, but hell-- we can move forward, ya know.  This website kind of reminds me of the presidential election that just went on.  Everybody is choosing their side and going to war against one another, and all it is doing is making EVERTYHING difficult for EVERYONE.  I mean, maybe we could come up with like government programs that are designed to train staff and make sure that they are adequate for the job-- I know that in Costa Rica, it was really really difficult finding staff that were willing to put the effort (and integrity, for that matter) into their jobs that these schools require.  I mean, I haven't looked at this website for about 8 months, and I notice practically no difference/progression with the situation.  I guess that's enough time for me to miss a lot that has happened, though.

But yeah, the past is the past, the future is now.  I think we all agree with the concept that there ARE teens who DO need to be taken out of their environment for their own safety, and hopefully one day we'll have such a school in our system that won't draw so much negativity. Right now I am taking baby steps everyday to one day be able to open a school of my own, because I was in the school and know what worked and what didn't. Hell, the people who notice all of the problems should make a school somewhere, because they see things that could be handled differently.  Behavior modification schools are like raising a kid:  there's no right way to do it (but there are apparently thousands of wrong ways).
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2004, 11:26:00 PM »
If you really want to do this, then among your baby steps needs to be that you go to college for a PhD in clinical psychology.

Otherwise, chances are you'll end up doing more harm than good.

Timoclea
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2004, 11:50:00 PM »
Timoclea - not meant to be nasty here.  What are you doing with your degree?  Do you work for a Program? Are you in private practice? Are you a parent that has actually experienced life with your own child who is destroying their life?  You post all over this forum about a lot teen topics, however, I have yet to read you say anything about a solution that you are part of.  What are you doing outside of posting on this forum or contacting the media?

Christopher - Good for you.  You have life experience.  A degree gives validation, but life experience means more than a degree alone, or at all.  Work for a program you respect, and then if you open your own school, you can always hire the degreed staff. Start now by sharing your passion.
What worked and what didn't work?  If you only had experienec of Dundee Ranch, see if you can work for Cross Creek or Spring Creek or one of the other ones so you can see the difference.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2004, 11:40:00 AM »
Timoclea - not meant to be nasty here. What are you doing with your degree? Do you work for a Program?>>>

No degree here, nor do I personally have what it takes to run a childs care center.  I also believe in order for one to be run correctly, it takes waaaaay more money than what the torture homes are charging.  You would have to pay people trained and educated in helping kids.  Not just people off the street.
We parents have filed our first lawsuit.  I contact the media, state officials and government officials on a daily basis.  I do so much more than just post on a message board.  Yet by posting on the message boards it helps to bring about awareness to this horrible problem and also allows me to find more victims from Bethel Boys Academy and Bethel Girls Academy.  Before this whole mess started I never realized the deep rooted corruption surrounding these places.  I have now seen and am dealing with this first hand.  Someone needs to fight for all those kids locked up.
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heryle - My son was TORTURED and ABUSED at Bethel Boys Academy aka Eagle Point Christian Academy, aka Pine View Academy, Lucedale, MS.

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2004, 12:15:00 PM »
I'm a writer, that's my job.

What I do with regard to this issue is I advocate here and elsewhere for proper and effective treatment of mentally ill teens.

I care for my own bipolar child, and I homeschool her because the local schools didn't understand the condition enough to be a safe place for her---and would have had to spend a lot of money to get the training so they would understand.

I contribute the perspective of an adult with bipolar disorder, which was early onset.  I grew up with it, and since it runs in families, I have a lot of relatives with either bipolar disorder or one of the less serious mental health problems that run in the same families as bipolar disorder.

I try to remind people on *both* sides that there are real mental illnesses, serious ones, that really do need medication and *appropriate* treatment.  There are people who may occasionally need *appropriate* residential care.

And, with respect, anyone running a residential facility for troubled teens *does* need an advanced degree in either social work or psychology, preferably psychology.  If for no other reason, they need to be able to recognize when a kid has an illness that they aren't able to treat appropriately at their facility *or* that makes their normal treatment methods countraindicated for *that child*.

The only reason I take my time reading Fornits is that I filter all the gab for the bits of real news, which show up here better and quicker than many other places, and forward that news to a number of people who are concerned with this issue so that they don't have to take the time to weed through the cruft.

By "news" I mean actual events like deaths, closings, openings, lawsuits--usually I only report those at the result stage.

As a grassroots activist, I serve as an information filter and conduit to distill news and facts out of the opinion and forward it to the people who care so it doesn't take so much time.

I post a lot because as a writer, talking in writing comes about as naturally as breathing and, well, I'm already here each morning and evening checking to see if any actual news came in.

And, with respect, talking *is* action, at a certain level.  My talking has been a key part of getting new legislation passed on multiple occasions on one of my other issues of concern.

I'm an ideas person.  Where other people sometimes think, "Oh, we can't do anything about this," sometimes I see a way to put together legislation that is actually enforceable and actually works.

An example:  I'm also a gun rights activist.  When  various major cities were suing gun manufacturers and trying to get by lawsuits what they couldn't get in the legislatures and Congress, I came up with the idea of state legislatures passing laws barring the cities from bringing those suits.

Now, I don't know for a fact that nobody else came up with that idea independently of me.  What I *do* know is that I came up with it myself, and I posted it to a forum where I knew several NRA board of directors members were reading the forum, specifically including my postings.  And I know that it was only a couple of months *after* I posted it, never having seen it posted or discussed anywhere by anyone else, that the NRA started actually pursuing that legislation at the state level.

It is now law in many states.

And I was the first domino in the chain of dominos, as far as I can tell.

It wasn't the first time I've been actively involved in the successful passage of legislation.

I write my congressman and senator on issues, and I go to townhall meetings.  I take awhile carefully crafting the very persuasive and contagious soundbyte that I will put into my question when the congressman or senator eventually calls on me.  I am usually able to get rousing applause for the line, and shift the opinion of the room.

I persuade.  And I'm *good* at it.  And I'm good at targetting it where it will do the most good.  And I'm good at speaking in public and making what I say stick in people's minds in a way that they agree with it and it shifts their position towards the one I want advanced.

I'm a pro with words.  And I know how to use my skills.  *That's* what I do.

Timoclea
(Real name = Julie Cochrane, and I'm a New York Times bestselling author---my first book, the only one out so far, hit the NYT Hardcover Fiction extended list at number 31 for a week in October---but for SF, making the list *at all* is pretty darned good.  And, it helps a lot that my coauthor is famous, etc.  But I'm good at what I do---and I'm an experienced activist.)
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2004, 12:34:00 PM »
By the way, I haven't mentioned my successful activism before because I try not to be too braggy.  But you did ask.

And my husband is also concerned about this issue, but he doesn't read and post to Fornits, except for reading the hard news bits I filter out for everybody, because we have lives.

I mention James because he's an experienced activist, too, being on the board of directors of our state NRA affiliate.

Our prior activism is on another issue, but it is experience we bring to this issue.  Quality, effective care for the mentally ill is an issue for both of us, because even though James does not have any mental health problems, he comes from a bipolar family, and there's me and our daughter, as well as the other members of his extended family with the various mental health problems that run in bipolar families.

Bad, ineffective care is a *very* salient issue for us, and for our whole family.  At the same time, we more than most recognize the need for good, quality care.

I'm the information filter and conduit.  For my family and for a lot of friends who are also interested in the issue.

SFF fandom has a fairly high incidence of bipolar and related disorders because it has a lot of very intelligent and creative people---some of the same genes seem related to both the talents and the problems.  So there are a lot of people I know who are interested in this issue that I *also* serve as a convenient information filter and conduit for so they can follow the issue without having to take huge amounts of time out of their lives.

And me, I can follow it because I work at my laptop, I'm always connected to the internet because google is a convenient research tool for small but important details, and when I'm taking a brief break from working, following a website doesn't take all that much time.  I also type fast and compose words quickly, so posting doesn't really take very much time.

Anyway, you asked what I do, that's what I do.  And why.

Timoclea
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2004, 03:47:00 AM »
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Are you a parent that has actually experienced life with your own child who is destroying their life?  


Although you didn't ask me, I'll tell you what I do besides read Fornits.  I now rear a child who survived WWASPS, one who suffered extremely for a year and continues to suffer being forever outcast by her mother, one who was not destroying her life beyond casual marijuana use or poor grades.  I talk to my local legislators and federal agencies.  I tell anyone who will listen...the press in Letters to the Editor, school and justice representatives who can never imagine the truth about behavior modification techniques, the cashier at Wal-Mart who may have a relative in Michigan or Hawaii or New Mexico who may be considering the glossy ads or spam on Google about helping teens through these dreadful programs.  

I have a Masters degree in History and a teaching credential for high school.  I use my education in psychology, political science, economics and logic to enhance my abilities to change people's minds. I use my education to better discern crap from fact.  

You are advised to go to work for Spring Creek Lodge or Cross Creek.  OK, if you want to set your sites on a career that pays dismally, or at Spring Creek, not at all (volunteer interns). Work for a company whose appearance on your resume will eventually label you as part of an evil methodology.  Spend your young working days punishing teens, ridng herd on lines of silent kids, standing guard on non-events like hours and days and weeks of kids reading packets in stark and dismal classrooms.  Contribute your free weekends to a group of adults, miserable and crying as they "discover" their pain within and look for anybody else to blame besides themselves.  Or, go to college, get an education, and understand why abusive tough love techniques do not heal, or change, or fix anyone.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2004, 06:49:00 PM »
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