14 Year old Dies at THAYER LEARNING CENTER

[Antigen]

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Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out-and-out unbeliever.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist

[Mrs. Doubtfire]

Is Thayer old news now?
Are the Bundy's running yet?
Have anymore children been saved in the last few days?
Please say... No! Yes! Yes!

Nilh... you still helping, hoping and listening. Sure hope so.

[Anonymous]

The last child I heard of that got out was on Feb 12.  Anyone else after that?

Please contact Tim Rocha
816-671-9662

[Nihilanthic]

I'm still here.

Just busy with school and my personal or 'real' life lately :razz:

Ah, the joys of polynomials.

God is inconceivable, immortality is unbelievable, but duty is peremptory and absolute.
--George Eliot, author

[Anonymous]

Hi this is Julia. Cadet Ramirez according to Thayer. I just want to make sure that nobody forgets the hell that the kids at Thayer go through. We would get waken up at all hours of the night and forced to exersiced sometimes in what they call the the "mud pit" then we would just go back to bed. I am also allergic to dairy and i was made to eat and drink it. They told me it was to much trouble to make special food. They also lied to my mom and told her i wasn't eating dairy. After i would eat dairy it gave me bathroom problems. I guess you would say the other cadets and I had to suffer for that one if you know what i mean. :lol: We were forced to hold it in when we had to use the bathroom. And when we did it was sometimes 30 seconds for #1 and 60 seconds for #2. You can only begin to imagine what it was like for me after eating dairy and having to exercise. Enough said. We were always hungry and they determined how much food we got and we only got seconds on bowls. We usually always left the chow haul hungry exept on holidays. This one girl got taken down by Sgt. Caro and she was screaming and saying she couldn't breathe and she was turning purple. We were not suppose to look but i am a nosey little girl so i looked anyway. Also the same girl was forced to brush her teeth for 4 hours for saying fuck. Her gums were bleeding and the enamel was coming of her teeth. Hey fuck fuck fuck. ha can't do anything about that Willa. Alot of the girls would get infections and we would tell Ms. Dorothy and she would say Wash better. One girl did get taken because she had these boil looking thing. I swear the were bigger than a golf ball. It was sick. One time i scrathed my head and Ms. Fiona told me so you like to do  your own thing you need to ask permission to do anything. Well i forgot that she had told me that and i scratched my foot i had to run 50 laps around the gym and i also have to do 100 8counts. For scratching my freaken foot!!!!! Hey my foot itches. When i first arrived there was a girl who always peed her pants she one day peed in her bucket/clothes bin and had to sit in it for awile. Then another cadet and i had to carry her in her bin to the bathroom to take a shower. We were sometimes left alone with male SGTS. and our parents were told that we would never be left alone with males. My Family rep kristy was suppose to spend 30 to an hour with me but i was lucky if i saw her for 5 minutes. Around christmas time i had been talking to her about my Grandpa who had killed himself a couple years ago and i was depressed about it and she told me suck up my drama and go sit down with my group. I was bawling my head off and she just walked away. This one girl had an asthma attack and was told to go lie down and around 1 to 2 hours later a Sgt. came in and said to take her the the hostpital She looked conserned. In the Parent Book it says we journal Well the only things the only thing we got to write is notes on videos and letters once a week. I was shocked when she asked me about my journal i asked her what the heck are you talking about we don't journal. I wonder why They don't want documented proff of what is going on. THOSE SNEAKY ASSWIPES! Trying to cover it all up ey Bundy? I still hav enightmares about the place. The other night i woke up crying. That place really did a number on me. We would wake up with spiders on us. It was actually very commen. We saw mice and moles alot. In the girls dorm but oddly never outside. Thayer would want anyone who reads this to belive that i am a liar and a manipulator for not compleating the program , why would i lie at this point i am OUT i just think you have the right to know what goes on there, and what some of yout family is experiencing. I wrote something awhile back and if this sounds different from before it is because i have remembered Some things since then. Anyone who would like to E-mail  me or call me feel absolutely free. My e-mail is Bootcampprincess14@yahoo.com and my phone # is 707 527 7628. you can call me collect if neccesary or give me your # and i'll call you. I swear on my papas Grave that everything i am saying is true. Thanks for reading this. -Julia-
I will update as i remember more things.

[Deborah]

Nihl,
Here's a site that might be useful.
http://www.webmath.com/index.html

[Anonymous]

This is Julia again. I just wanted to tell you the dates that I was at Thayer, 9-27-04 to 1-16-05.

[Anonymous]

Timoclea...

I'm not depressed! I'm pissed! and gravely Sad! I feel helpless because I know I am alive and I am not sure he is? I have never and do not now feel compelled to "end it all" as you infered.

 Perception vs Reality.

But next time I need a diagnosis of my emotional state, I'll let you know! I just wanted to shout in the darkness how sad I was and do it in a place where I felt people listened and cared. The cry was rhetorical.

[Anonymous]

What the heck is going on. I know for a fact that kids have been removed from Thayer lately and nobody is talking about it. Doesn't anybody care about the kids that are still there? It's each man for themself or what? Come on everybody who has been rescued start talking. If you're affraid of the Bundys well screw them and that gun of Ms. Willas. Get real. There's nothing they can do to hurt you if you're out but believe me the ones left behind they can and will hurt. It's time to talk everybody.

[Anonymous]

I was just informed that another student was removed in the last couple of days.

Anyone needing information or wanting to talk and share your story please call.

Tim Rocha
816-671-9662

[Antigen]

Hey folks,
  Just wanted to let you know that I've started a new forum just for Thayer. I've moved a bunch of old Thayer threads over there, but I'm leaving this and a few others so that people won't get lost on the way. You can still use this one, but I'll likely move it too in a few days.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=39&233

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
--John Adams, U.S. President

[Mrs. Doubtfire]

Tim -
PLEASE GO TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS PAGE, GO THE THE TOP - CLICK ON "REGISTER" AND REGISTER A NAME!!! No one can privately email you if you just keep posting under anonymous, and you know yourself how frightened these kids are, as well as their families.

You can prove who you are from Steve Rock's newspaper article written about you in the Kansas City Star...and those of us who know you from this board.

98% of these board postings are anonymous.  What you are trying to do is way too important to not have a way for those you are trying to help, to be able to reach you. And Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Hello! Is anybody alive? It's been days and no postings. Thayer is still up and opperating so what the heck are we gonna do about it?

[tlcrescue]

I was just thinking the same thing. I has been awful quiet..

[Antigen]

On 2005-03-01 20:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hello! Is anybody alive? It's been days and no postings. Thayer is still up and opperating so what the heck are we gonna do about it?"

Honestly, based on what I've read lately about stonewalling by local and state authorities, I think the best route is the Vth Estate. Web forums like this one are way out on the fringe of that; just very limited readership. This is a good place to meet and greet others who have firsthand experience w/ Thayer and also to find out about other programs run under other names and how similar they are in various ways. Then take it to the media in DROVES!

Keep an eye out (set search engine agents to look for) media on Thayer or other "troubled teen" programs and then write to the journalists and tell them your side of the story. Keep copies of those printed articles and sent letters so that an interested reader can get a pretty good picture of how well (or not) the media is covering the story. I don't know that Thayer is known very well to cult interest groups. Tell them what's going on. They get ink more and more often. I think I've seen Steve Hassan and Rick Ross on at least a half dozen news or documentary type shows in the past few months. The story's finally getting some legs that the media and audience can understand. Roll w/ that!

Oh, and a reminder... I'm going to move this thread over to the Thayer forum today. I'll set it up so that old links to this thread are redirected to the new location. Please don't hesitate to ask if anything doesn't work as you expect or if you find anything confusing. If you have trouble, odds are that others are having the same trouble. And if you don't tell me, then I can't fix/explain it.

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