14 Year old Dies at THAYER LEARNING CENTER

[tlcrescue]

Tim, you need to register so we can either email or private mail you.  Other than the name I gave your wife, I don't have any, and all I had was a last name.

[Anonymous]

These programs don't like to disclose who is in the program to prevent cross communication from patients and parents.

[tlcrescue]

of course they dont, because they dont want people to find out the TRUTH!

[Antigen]

That worked on a fair number of people who were in Straight decades ago. I can think of at least 3 or 4 who's initial response to the forum was along the lines of "Oh my god! I never knew anybody else felt this way!" Since Straight programs operated locally in a community, that means that these folks had somewhat intentionally avoided contact w/ each other after graduation in order to not get discovered and reported for "not working their program."

May the fleas of one thousand llamas infest your armpits
--One ticked off sysadmin

[Anonymous]

I have a family member there but he is probably dead in some corner by now. As little as anyone knows about the inner workings of this place it is feasible he is at best maimed, undoubedly in great pain, enduring hearbreaking sorrow and sadness, unimaginable physical and emotional abuse and the only voice he hears in his head all day, every day is that he is nothing and no one loves him.... I love him but NO I can't go get him, I don't have custody and his parents don't care.

[Anonymous]

Is Thayer now a forgotten subject and along with it, the death of the boy.

[Anonymous]

Has your family members seen this website?

Have they seen ISACCORP.ORG ?

It is your job to keep fighting for this child until he is removed.  You print every page that you can and keep showing it to your family members until they go and get him.

Was he abused by his family before going into Thayer?

No child should ever be hurt in the process of trying to be helped.

[Anonymous]

Thayer is absolutely not a forgotten subject. They will be shut down it just takes time to do these things. The Reyes lawsuit is finally off the ground and things should start rolling at a much faster pace at this point. Be patient and watch what happens next. I promise you it will be better than the movies. ::mecry:: This is what the Bundys will be doing when all that money goes bye bye.

[tlcrescue]

private message or email me and I can help you get him out.  There are ways to do it, and I know the right people to help.  Just this month alone 4-5 kids have been rescued (my son being one of them!)

[cherish wisdom]

You need to give the family as much information as you can. These facilities have parents sign documents indicating that they will pay for a month or more tuition if they remove their child. They also tell them that they will be removing them against medical advice and that their child could commit suicide if they do.  I had a child in a program.  I did remove her and exposed the horror she experienced. I did not get charged for an additional month because they had abused her. They did not allow her to have the therapy or education that we had agreed upon. They did not allow her to go to school or church.
The testimonials from web-sites helped me to believe that what she was saying was true -even though it was difficult to believe that they would put her in an ice cold concrete room for 8 hours a day.  They just don't tell the parents what they are doing to "help" their children.

If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist

[Anonymous]

The parents know, I have sent them this site, ISAC, etc. When I would tell them of a new development, like the murder of Robert Reyes, they call Thayer who would tell them my boy is still in dire need of their help. The parents have cut off all communication with me, as I have become the enemy. Suggesting that they would never send their child to a place he would be harmed?? It is as though the parents are brainwashed.

My boys crime for being sent to TLC? A teenager who is ADHD, who was a good student, then developed an "attitude". Certainly warrants a death sentence in TLC's mind, and with parental ignorance and permission he is undoubtedly in great harm and I am dying along with him. At this point, I am not sure either of us can be saved. His soul and his spirit are irreparably damaged and my spirit died the day they stole him from me. My love and prayers alone can't save him.

[Anonymous]

Get help for major depression.  Call a psychiatrist's office for an appointment *now*.

You can't help your friend if you're dead.

Your friend will almost certainly survive Thayer and doesn't need your death on top of the other new problems he will come out of there with.

He also doesn't need you melodramatically co-opting *his* crisis.

Get your own head in order so when he turns 18 and is there for you to help, you can actually help him instead of being a drag on him or yet another *loss* for him.

Timoclea

[tlcrescue]

On 2005-02-21 08:24:00, cherish wisdom wrote:

"You need to give the family as much information as you can. These facilities have parents sign documents indicating that they will pay for a month or more tuition if they remove their child. They also tell them that they will be removing them against medical advice and that their child could commit suicide if they do.  I had a child in a program.  I did remove her and exposed the horror she experienced. I did not get charged for an additional month because they had abused her. They did not allow her to have the therapy or education that we had agreed upon. They did not allow her to go to school or church.

The testimonials from web-sites helped me to believe that what she was saying was true -even though it was difficult to believe that they would put her in an ice cold concrete room for 8 hours a day.  They just don't tell the parents what they are doing to "help" their children.

If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist

"

As I stated before.....contact me via private message or email and I can tell you the steps to take to get him out, without going through the parents.  However, if you do get him out, he will be returned to his parents though.

[cherish wisdom]

Most of the parents who keep their children in these programs ARE Brainwashed. The counselors who speak to the parents are very good at sucking them in. I was also a little brainwashed - fortunately my husband was not - and he started showing me all of the testimonials, Ryan Freidenberg's website and all the others. Finally after seeing that these victims were all reporting the same kinds of abuse my own daughter told us about, I realized that I had been dupted by a pathological freak of a counselor. Someone who should have his license to practice revoked. Someone who ordered strict isolation and seclusion for a child with the diagnosis of severe depression.  
These parents probably have been conditioned. Most parents really want to believe they are doing the best thing for their child. These unscrupulous professionals involved in this industry are very good at convinsing them that they are wonderful parents for getting their son or daughter the help they need.  This is just what they want to hear. Most parents with problem kids are ashamed of themselves and really view themselves as failures (because they are) as parents. When they get lots of positive strokes from so called DOCTORS this really gives them something they've been craving.  They really want to believe it.  That's why they hold on to the program. They really beleive that they are now good parents for getting appropriate care for their child. It's very difficult to break this illusion. Someone needs to hit them on the head and wake them up.  I've tried to talk to program parents and it's very difficult. Even one whose own daughter(a girl suffering from rape trauma syndrome) had her nose broken believed that the program was wonderful and helpful and that somehow her child deserved to be taken down and that the broken nose was a result of he child's rebellion against the rules.  She was an intelligent woman - yet she truly believed this.....I could go on and on.  I'm sure the facility is doing damage control over the death of this boy and I'm sure they have something very logical to tell enquiring parents. Just keep it up.... You may get through to them.... Also - you need to realize that there are SOME kids who report being helped at Thayer and other reportedly abusive programs.  I'm sure that all of the children are not abused by staff - some may be treated well and some may respond to Thayer's treatment.   This is why most  of the abusive programs are still in exhistance.

Patient memoirs are a kind of protest literature like slave narratives or witness testimonies.
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[tlcrescue]

You are correct in that "some" are not necessarily abused at Thayer.  My son, unfortunately, was one of them.  But he did tell me that they don't treat everyone like that.  At the time he was there, it was only him and one other student (who got it worse than my son) that were being abused like that.  I think their size had a lot to do with it.  My son is very small and this other kid was overweight.  My son said that the other "cadets" were pretty average.   Who knows why they choose to go after certain ones, but they do.  

The day I picked my son up, I saw the overweight kid he was talking about.  They had him out in the yard "smoking" him when I got there to pick up my son.  Of course, my visit was unannounced.  When the drill instructors saw us standing there watching them, they rounded the kid up and took him inside.  The reason he was being smoked?  His only crime was "stealing a muffin".  And that is because all they got for breakfast was wheat seeds and water!  Sorry, but when you work a kid for 18 hours a day and only feed them crap like that, they are GOING TO BE HUNGRY.  So what is the pnishment for trying to give your body nourishment? More exercising!  Its ridiculous.  What if this kid had never been prone to stealing before?  If he wasn't before, he sure is now becaue of survival instincts!  

My son prays every night that the poor kid makes it out of there!  He asks me several times a week, Mom have you found his parents yet, have you helped get him out?