14 Year old Dies at THAYER LEARNING CENTER

[Anonymous]

I had just begun This is Julia again. I want to tell you about some things I saw there. I saw Drill Sgt. Caro take a girl, Alora was her name , down and hold her hand behind her back until she turned purple. We were not suppose to witness these take downs. We were instructed to put our faces to the ground and cover our eyes but I'm just to nosy I had to see what was going on. Mr. Jake, the Bundys son, exercised the boys so hard one day that almost all of them puked. That apple didn't fall far from the tree. He's probably the most sadistic person I've ever met besides John and Willa themselves. There were male and female junior staff having sex on a regular basis. When they got caught all hell broke lose. 4 or 5 of the boys started a riot that was crazy. They were pissed off because they got dropped back to boot camp. There were spiders, mice, rats and moles everywhere. And yes I do mean inside the buildings. It was nothing to wake up in the night and find spiders crawling on or around you. Now if these spiders were so dangerous and killed people why didn't then why didn't the Bundy serial killers, I mean serial child abusers do something about the problem of the spiders? An exterminator couldn't cost all that much. After all they are raking in four hundred thousand dollars a month which I do believe they pay no taxes on due to the place being a non denominational christian organization which by the way it's not. It's MORMON. Yes the Bundy abusers are RAGING MORMONS disguising as non denominational christians. The whole program is based on lies and manipulations.Back to abuse i saw there. One girl used a four letter word, FUCK. She was forsed to brush her teeth for 4 hours.For 2 days her lips and gums were bleeding and the enamel came right off her teeth. I saw this with my own 2 eyes. If you ever got sick you had to be in a pink shirt to not have to exercise. To get into a pink shirt you have to see a doctor. And there's the problem. We never got to see a dr. Not even if you were dying as you all know. One girl did get to go to the dr. because she had female problems. Huge boils between her legs and on her butt. Puss and blood would come out of them. The rest of us were told to suck up our drama. Our private parts were itching and burning and we were told to suck our drama. Can you imagine exercising for hours every day like this?Well I can because I did. We would get woke up at any time of the night the sergeants felt like it and made to exercise for hours. Sometimes we were made to roll around in a mud pit and then exercise for hours and then go back to bed all dirty. Yep I do mean no shower. We were told that legally they only had to let us sleep for 3 hours a night. Boys were taken down regularly for looking sergeants in the eyes. They were a little more careful with the girls. Looking a sergeant in the eyes was considered a sign of aggression. Even a dog is allowed to look it's master in the eyes without physical punishment. Almost everyday somebody was taken down for something stupid. It was almost like a sport for the drill sergeants. Staff would come and go so quickly it was crazy It's my guess that people with a heart couldn't do this job so they'd quit after just a little while. You would have to be really mean and heartless to do the things they did to us. My family rep was the biggest liar and manipulating bitch I've ever known. I was suppose to see her for 1/2 hour every week. I was lucky if I saw her 5 minutes every other week. And what good was she anyway? She could have cared less about me. She was so young and immature. She must have only been 20 or so. You could tell it was just a job for her. The heartless bitch. She told so many lies between my mother and me and I think it was a manipulation to keep me in boot camp so I couldn't talk to my mother about what was going on and about the boy dying. It just seemed that nothing I did was good enough. They'd tell me I was Going to move up to residency so I could see my mom but it would never happen. I was in boot camp for 4 months. That's when my mom had enough of the shit and came and got me. My mother is a human bull shit detector and thank GOD she felt something terribly wrong and came for me. A year would have made me so hard and mean. I hate to think about it. What's a well behaved kid if they don't have any human feelings inside them? Well that's what this place doe's to you.I started to not believe in god anymore because how could a real god let this happen to me. The night before my mom showed up I prayed to god and asked him to please get me out of here. I couldn't believe it when I saw my mom the next day. There she was to get me just what I prayed for the night before. Boy do I believe in god now. I feel so lucky that I was rescued from Bundy Hell. After the boy died it was like nothing had happened and that really scared me. It was like nobody cared. It made me think it could have been me or maybe I would be next or something. We weren't allowed to talk about it. It's just weird to have somebody die right near you and life goes on as usual like nothing happened. The boy was from Santa Rosa CA., my home town. He was mexican and so am I. I feel pretty bad for his family. I mean I bet they didn't expect all of this. They probably thought they were sending there kid to a wonderful program to get help and he really ended up at Bundy Hell and died. My papa died and I've never been the same, maybe I never will be but I remember my papa used to say that he'd known a few ladies, one of them his grandma, who had a kid die and they're never the same again. He used to say some even go crazy from the grief. He used to say it's one thing to have a parent die but a parent should never out live there child. I don't know why he told me this stuff. I was just a kid. It meant nothing to me at the time. I think he was feeling sorry for his grandma. By the way, my papa is my grandpa not my dad. Well I just wanted to tell my story. And excuse my language but if the Bundys or ms. Kristy or some of the drill sergeants read this I want you to know that you're a bunch of sadistic bastards who must be posessed by the devil because not even an athiest could do what you people do on a daily basis. And a special BURN IN HELL TO MS. BUNDY BITCH. I swear on my life that what i've written is true.  :flame:

[Anonymous]

This is Julia again I want to clear up the fact that I didn't actually see the boy get killed. These are things that were being said by junior staff and when I got home I researched the case and found out a lot of information. And believe me my family and I are doing everything we can to stop this shit from happening again. We of course need all the advice we can get and if anybody knows anything or would like to talk especially if you were there when this happened you can e-mail me. The boys who were in boot camp at the time this happened really need to be talked to before they are so brain washed they can't think for themselves. I really wish that the state would go in and interview all the boys.If you want to contact me you can e-mail me at bootcampprinces14@yahoo.com or call 707-527-7628

[Anonymous]

incorrect e-mail address it's bootcampprincess14@yahoo.com

[Anonymous]

hey the bleach thing are you talking about greuniesen when he peed himself.. when augestine dumped bleach water over him

[Anonymous]

Hey this is cadet "Regulatorio" for thoes who know me, if any one knows FLORES, McCready, Tim Lenweaver please email me, i just wanted to say, i met reyes before he died, it was sick, it made me want to vomit, actually i gave in to that feeling and i did vomit in a bucket, but when i went down to boot camp for calling booth a racist fucker and threatening to beat his ass, srgt vaughn and srgt pikula made me wash reyes, apparently about a week before, he stopped functioning, so they threw him in the xray bay and he just laid there for about a week and a half and didnt do shit he barely ate too he just pissed and shit himself and then rolled over with what ever little bit of humanity he had within him,im just saying roberto reyes was murdered with neglect, the beatings i dont doubt it at all but a new srgt told me that they couldnt touch him any more, the srgts couldnt but the drill srgts and directors they still were, but the thing is, is when i went down they woke like 4 or 5 of us up to mop up his shit and pick him up, naturally this giant kid was difficult to lift so wed get him half way up and, wed think he could support himself and then hed fall down and slam the back of his head down in the cement... yea it must have hurt like a bitch, it was loud, he was covered in bruises and cuts, before they made us wash him from being restrained and dragged and i wouldnt doubt being hit either, anyway i refused to be involved in such a neglectful and degrading act.. something so dehumanizing, they demoted me to a redshirt for refusing to participate in the lifting and dragging and propping and pushing of the cadet reyes to the nasty grimey latrine were theyd make him lay on the nasty floor on a brown shirt and hose him down and scrub him, so im saying i saw him and i know he looked at me and he was beyond pain and suffering, its that point when u realize wtf and everything is drowned out, white noise and meaningless.. reyes wasnt human anymore, i felt and many others felt that they treated us like scum, less than animals, i witnessed the result of that on some one who was in a weaker state of mind due to acid and various other drugs, yes reyes was a acid head but he was still human and he was detoxing off of acid, which is a pretty shitty and dangerous process if u did alot of it, and according to torres who was senior resident at the time he spoke to reyes and reyes told him that he did a shit load of acid, so reyes got neglected for like 2 weeks and abused then he mysteriously died, i have my own theories and if u want to know email me at RATM_Rage_RATM@yahoo.com or im me on Yahoo or aim at RegulateYourFace. by the way i didnt get a chance to revise this thing so if it gets off topic alot or some part doesnt make sense or whateveru may find wrong with it im sorry, im short on time because now i am a human being again and this place stole my highschool education and fucked up my chances of getting into a good college so i need to get back to work

Sincerly,
Kid That Got fucked in the ass by his parents cuz they wanted to help him so the called mr banks and he tolled them send the bastard to tlc.. ps this place dont help, im still me and now i still got to make money lol... even more so now, so im saying try a diff approach to help ur kid, like me if ur kid likes to cut himself and watch the blood dribble, hes fucked up and u got to find out why not pay some rednecks 400 a month to fix him, cuz chances are if hes that fucked up to begin with hes gonna return in a state of mind of revenge and put a bul.........., good thing my parents pulled me out and listened to me, they finally got the message, but my life is still screwed, maybe u should listen to ur kids. now lets see if i can still become a bio engineer or maybe a quatom physicist or maybe a chemical engineer or atleast a chemist, maybe you get the hint, so the next time u read about some fucked up kid that changed something in the world for good or for worse think of what that kid really wanted to be, and why he became what he did peace out fuckers PPS!! and to my friends that i couldnt liberate my deepest appologies ive been out for about a _ now and TLC still hasnt sent me my shit, I believe that they are going to steal my extra hygene products in my personal bin just like they did to somany other cadets and there gonna take my other shit and my personal library of books and donate it to the school library which hardly anyone ever gets to use because they dont know it exsists... sooner or later someones going to get a stick of oldspice puresport with my name on it, i think ive made a big enough name for myself in bootcamp,they might know me, but im still pissed off i want my shit. i bet u a million bucks when i call them tomorrow there gonna say that they did send it a week ago and its prolly lost so... young if ur already out or if u did get moved to a bording school im sorry i couldnt call im still waiting for the item that was playing host to ur number, and i cant make out the one i wrote on the rubber band so if u can give me the first 4 digits i can call u PPPS Payne has herpies, Paybacks Bitch. im prolly not gonna post again cuz its futile but if u find something that is actually ground breaking then i might

[Anonymous]

Hey this is cadet "Regulatorio" for thoes who know me, if any one knows FLORES, McCready, Tim Lenweaver please email me, i just wanted to say, i met reyes before he died, it was sick, it made me want to vomit, actually i gave in to that feeling and i did vomit in a bucket, but when i went down to boot camp for calling booth a racist fucker and threatening to beat his ass, srgt vaughn and srgt pikula made me wash reyes, apparently about a week before, he stopped functioning, so they threw him in the xray bay and he just laid there for about a week and a half and didnt do shit he barely ate too he just pissed and shit himself and then rolled over with what ever little bit of humanity he had within him,im just saying roberto reyes was murdered with neglect, the beatings i dont doubt it at all but a new srgt told me that they couldnt touch him any more, the srgts couldnt but the drill srgts and directors they still were, but the thing is, is when i went down they woke like 4 or 5 of us up to mop up his shit and pick him up, naturally this giant kid was difficult to lift so wed get him half way up and, wed think he could support himself and then hed fall down and slam the back of his head down in the cement... yea it must have hurt like a bitch, it was loud, he was covered in bruises and cuts, before they made us wash him from being restrained and dragged and i wouldnt doubt being hit either, anyway i refused to be involved in such a neglectful and degrading act.. something so dehumanizing, they demoted me to a redshirt for refusing to participate in the lifting and dragging and propping and pushing of the cadet reyes to the nasty grimey latrine were theyd make him lay on the nasty floor on a brown shirt and hose him down and scrub him, so im saying i saw him and i know he looked at me and he was beyond pain and suffering, its that point when u realize wtf and everything is drowned out, white noise and meaningless.. reyes wasnt human anymore, i felt and many others felt that they treated us like scum, less than animals, i witnessed the result of that on some one who was in a weaker state of mind due to acid and various other drugs, yes reyes was a acid head but he was still human and he was detoxing off of acid, which is a pretty shitty and dangerous process if u did alot of it, and according to torres who was senior resident at the time he spoke to reyes and reyes told him that he did a shit load of acid, so reyes got neglected for like 2 weeks and abused then he mysteriously died, i have my own theories and if u want to know email me at RATM_Rage_RATM@yahoo.com or im me on Yahoo or aim at RegulateYourFace. by the way i didnt get a chance to revise this thing so if it gets off topic alot or some part doesnt make sense or whateveru may find wrong with it im sorry, im short on time because now i am a human being again and this place stole my highschool education and fucked up my chances of getting into a good college so i need to get back to work

Sincerly,
Kid That Got fucked in the ass by his parents cuz they wanted to help him so the called mr banks and he tolled them send the bastard to tlc.. ps this place dont help, im still me and now i still got to make money lol... even more so now, so im saying try a diff approach to help ur kid, like me if ur kid likes to cut himself and watch the blood dribble, hes fucked up and u got to find out why not pay some rednecks 400 a month to fix him, cuz chances are if hes that fucked up to begin with hes gonna return in a state of mind of revenge and put a bul.........., good thing my parents pulled me out and listened to me, they finally got the message, but my life is still screwed, maybe u should listen to ur kids. now lets see if i can still become a bio engineer or maybe a quatom physicist or maybe a chemical engineer or atleast a chemist, maybe you get the hint, so the next time u read about some fucked up kid that changed something in the world for good or for worse think of what that kid really wanted to be, and why he became what he did peace out fuckers PPS!! and to my friends that i couldnt liberate my deepest appologies ive been out for about a _ now and TLC still hasnt sent me my shit, I believe that they are going to steal my extra hygene products in my personal bin just like they did to somany other cadets and there gonna take my other shit and my personal library of books and donate it to the school library which hardly anyone ever gets to use because they dont know it exsists... sooner or later someones going to get a stick of oldspice puresport with my name on it, i think ive made a big enough name for myself in bootcamp,they might know me, but im still pissed off i want my shit. i bet u a million bucks when i call them tomorrow there gonna say that they did send it a week ago and its prolly lost so... young if ur already out or if u did get moved to a bording school im sorry i couldnt call im still waiting for the item that was playing host to ur number, and i cant make out the one i wrote on the rubber band so if u can give me the first 4 digits i can call u PPPS Payne has herpies, Paybacks Bitch. PS Julia i feel you

[Anonymous]

OH MY GOD! I can't believe this stuff I'm hearing. I mean this takes the cake. The Bundys must be brought to justice. And as for you young man , thank god you had nothing to do with this murder. You stood up for the boy the best you could. There's a lot of guilt around these type of situations and you did the right thing not folling orders and so you got put back to red shirt. At least you have a conscience and didnt give in to the brainwashing. You have nothing feel guilty about. These sadistic bastards had no right to have children do there dirty work. You and I both know that boy should have been in the hospital and he'd still be alive. The Bundys if they had there way would probably have taken him out in a field and burried him and called him a runaway. After all he was just another mexican to those red neck mormon bastards. Well good luck with your life. I hope you can overcome the anger and resentment you must be feeling.You seem like a strong personality to have survived all of this and not be brainwashed by this crazy cult.

[Anonymous]

Regulatorio *please, please* call the newspaper that reported Reyes' death.  Please, please call the DA and the other places I suggested and talk to them.

Lord knows it's hard to get one of these places shut down, but sometimes the death of a kid does the trick.  But *only* if the word gets out that it was a murder.

Hell, call or email Matt Drudge and tell him you saw a long, slow murder of a 14 year old kid and nobody will listen or care.

Make it *national* news.

Please don't give up.  This kid was murdered.  The word has to get out there.

Timoclea/Julie

[Anonymous]

Daicia Mestas

[BlazeOn420]

Hey sorry i messed that last post up. Yeah but Im *MESTAS*[ This Message was edited by: BlazeOn420 on 2005-01-31 07:35 ]

[Anonymous]

On 2005-01-31 07:35:00, BlazeOn420 wrote:

"Hey sorry i messed that last post up. Yeah but Im *MESTAS*[ This Message was edited by: BlazeOn420 on 2005-01-31 07:35 ]"

[Investigator Tom]

I have seen a lot of posting and accusations on this page concerning TLC - If you have any information -(NOT JUST RUMORS_WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN YOURSELF) in reference to Cadet Reyes, and you are willing to testify in court, contact me at investigator_tom@walla.com and I will have a local officer come and take your statement for me. If you are just stating what you have heard, not what you have witnessed, please don't email me. It will only slow down my efforts as I will have to sort through all the messages.

[Anonymous]

why should anyone trust you? Who are you?

[Anonymous]

He did post an actual email address.  Let's not be so quick to jump on him.  Privately email him and ask him who he is and what his intentions are.  Remember that Stepcraft is watching.  Could be he doesn't want to tip his hand too much.

[Anonymous]

Investigator Tom is the real thing. If you have info please email him.
Rocha