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« Reply #165 on: January 28, 2005, 05:22:00 PM »
sheezybajeeze@hotmail.com i lovedddd sgt. heckinkamp soo much
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« Reply #166 on: January 28, 2005, 10:43:00 PM »
ms willas new name is Bundy Bitch says cadet ramirez
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« Reply #167 on: January 28, 2005, 10:46:00 PM »
Does anyone here know cadet ramirez
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« Reply #168 on: January 28, 2005, 10:47:00 PM »
blazeon420 what is your name?
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« Reply #169 on: January 28, 2005, 10:52:00 PM »
Hey you were their for the boy so was i what is your name? e-mail me at bootcampprincess14@yahoo.com my name is cadet ramirez
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« Reply #170 on: January 28, 2005, 11:10:00 PM »
Oh yeah i forgot Mr. Bundy is Bundy Bastard
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« Reply #171 on: January 28, 2005, 11:20:00 PM »
every where we go people wanna know who we are and where we come from we come from a bootcamp a fucken sick ass bootcamp it's just like a bootcamp down in hell, you are tlc and you like to kill people kill people all night long kill them till the break of dawn

gimie a k gimie an i gimie an l gimie an l gimie an e gimie an r whats that spell killer. that what the hell you are bundys.

would you happen to be realted to Ted Bundy you know the famous cereal killer ? cause that what you are! you're going to hell well God says not to judge so i feel like you are going to hell. but you would'nt know about my father up in heaven would you???  :flame:HELLBITCHHELL :flame:
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« Reply #172 on: January 28, 2005, 11:27:00 PM »
oops i ment per cadet ramirez not says. my "apogolies" not
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« Reply #173 on: January 28, 2005, 11:33:00 PM »
oh and mr. Jake i hate you for the rootbeer thing you are a prick His name should be Mr. jake jackass
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« Reply #174 on: January 29, 2005, 01:29:00 AM »
any you guys fuckin remember me...probably not any ways this is cadet chance rutherford im me at nonesuch2890 or email me at nonesuch2890@yahoo.com
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« Reply #175 on: January 29, 2005, 01:08:00 PM »
How long were you there ruth ford?
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« Reply #176 on: January 29, 2005, 01:55:00 PM »
HI, I'm Cadet Ramirez- Julia. Thayer Learning Center is a living hell. I was there for 4 months and hated every minute of it. Not just because it was hard> I actually liked the exercise part but watching other kids and myself get abused was to much for me. The place is down right scary, especially after the boy was killed. Yes I did say killed. Spider bite my ass. HE was treated like an animal for a couple of days then threw in an isolation room and left to die. He had bruises and broken bones, abused is an under statement. I have numerous health problems of my own after being there. 1)injured knee 2)injured shoulder, the Dr. at first thought I had a broken collar bone,that's what the boy who died had.3)injured hips 4) injured wrist. 5)yeast infection and bladder infection. I complained for weeks about this stuff but do you think anybody cared? nope! I had feelings when I got to this place. I mean I really felt bad when I saw another kid get into trouble but after the first month it was just like I didn't care anymore. I had to survive and that's all I cared about. That's not the real me. The abuse made me hard. And the lack of touch and affection from another human being made me hard. I hope I can find the old me someday because I liked her a lot better. My grand father killed himself a couple of years ago and I got really depressed around christmas time. I told Ms Kristy, MY family rep and she told me to suck up my drama and got up and walked away and left me sitting there bawling my head off by myself. That was one of the worst feelings of my life. I think it's what made me feel mean and angry.
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« Reply #177 on: January 29, 2005, 03:07:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-29 10:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"HI, I'm Cadet Ramirez- Julia. Thayer Learning Center is a living hell. I was there for 4 months and hated every minute of it. Not just because it was hard> I actually liked the exercise part but watching other kids and myself get abused was to much for me. The place is down right scary, especially after the boy was killed. Yes I did say killed. Spider bite my ass. HE was treated like an animal for a couple of days then threw in an isolation room and left to die. He had bruises and broken bones, abused is an under statement. I have numerous health problems of my own after being there. 1)injured knee 2)injured shoulder, the Dr. at first thought I had a broken collar bone,that's what the boy who died had.3)injured hips 4) injured wrist. 5)yeast infection and bladder infection. I complained for weeks about this stuff but do you think anybody cared? nope! I had feelings when I got to this place. I mean I really felt bad when I saw another kid get into trouble but after the first month it was just like I didn't care anymore. I had to survive and that's all I cared about. That's not the real me. The abuse made me hard. And the lack of touch and affection from another human being made me hard. I hope I can find the old me someday because I liked her a lot better. My grand father killed himself a couple of years ago and I got really depressed around christmas time. I told Ms Kristy, MY family rep and she told me to suck up my drama and got up and walked away and left me sitting there bawling my head off by myself. That was one of the worst feelings of my life. I think it's what made me feel mean and angry."


Ramirez, you owe it to yourself and the boy who died to call the district attorney's office in the county where Thayer is and tell them what you know and what you witnessed and who would know more and who else witnessed this murder.

You need to contact the state bureau of investigation in the state Thayer is located and tell them the same thing.

You need to contact the FBI and tell them the same thing.

The reason is Thayer may have paid off the district attorney's office to make them unwilling to prosecute this murder.

If they *don't* prosecute it, the FBI can investigate it and prosecute it, very possibly, as a federal civil rights violation.  (It doesn't get more violative than murder).

Also, to put pressure on the district attorney, look at the earlier parts of this thread.  Call the reporter who initially reported the story and tell him/her everything you know.  That should be your first phone call, and the DA's office your second phone call.

If you don't have long distance, use a pay phone to call the reporter, and have him/her call you back.  The reporter will almost certainly be all over this like white on rice.

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« Reply #178 on: January 29, 2005, 03:15:00 PM »
Ramirez---notice from the early part of this thread that the death didn't even make the papers until the person who head the call on the police scanner got on here, was told to call the media, and called the media.

That call got the death in the papers.

Until the reporter has someone like you as a source, they don't know this was a murder.

If you need anonymity for some of the things you tell the reporter, or some of the other witnesses are willing to talk to the reporter but need anonymity, reporters are very good at protecting their sources' identities.

Get the story out to the media.  Call the reporter.  It *will* be effective and you can and will make a difference if you start making the right calls and talking to the right people about what you saw and heard and what you know.

Even if you didn't see the actual murder, any abuse of this boy you saw can help the district attorney prove the murder case in court.

Look at all the piecing together of little pieces in the puzzle that the DA had to do to prove the murder case against Scott Peterson.

Your piece of the puzzle may be the last remaining piece the DA needs to have enough evidence to take into court and put these murdering bastards away.

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« Reply #179 on: January 29, 2005, 03:30:00 PM »
And, what you have described *is* a murder.

They had complete physical control over this boy and they knew he was injured and failed to get him prompt medical attention and he died as a result of that negligence.

That's "depraved indifference" and it *is* a murder.

It's also a "felony murder" depending on the laws in Missouri.

If Missouri has a "felony murder" law, and most states do, if a person dies (even one of the perpetrators, much less one of the victims) during the commission of a felony (like felony child abuse), every person who participated criminally in that felony is guilty of murder one in that death.

That means the staffer that beat him up, the staffer that threw him in isolation, and every staffer that encountered him from the time he began to need the medical care until he died, and participated in helping cover up the death, by being a felony accomplice to felony child abuse is guilty of murder one in his death.

I'm not a lawyer, this is not specific legal advice, but for a layman, I'm reasonably savvy.

The "felony murder" rule can spread that guilt onto an awful lot of accomplices in a hurry.

It wouldn't extend to any of the students because they were prisoners and had a severe lack of control of the situation and whether they participated or not--so "junior staff" are probably not liable even if they *percieved* themselves as having power---because the reality is they could have been busted down to the lowest levels of powerlessness at the whim of the real paid staff.

So if you weren't on the lowest level and are feeling survivor guilt that you couldn't manage to save this boy, or if any other kid witnesses are afraid to come forward, *don't be*.

You're clean of liability (or your lawyer, even a public defender, can *easily* make you "clean" if anybody even remotely tries to imply you have responsibility.  You're clean in this.) and it's the staff and owners' asses that are hanging in the wind.

Just like child molesters try to convince their victim that the victim will be in trouble if he/she tells, to keep the victim quiet and protect the criminal abuser, the Thayer owners or staff may have tried to intimidate you and suggest that you students/inmates would have liability.

If they did, they were just snowing you to try to frighten you into being their patsy and protecting their worthless criminal asses.

Don't buy into it.  Call that paper and ask to talk to the news tip line, leave your name and number and tell them you were at Thayer witnessed part of the situation in the Thayer 14 year old boy's death.

I sometimes rag on the mainstream media and reporters and such, but when a scandal is going on  and you know things about it and the authorities really want to look the other way, the newspaper reporter is your very best friend.

Also call the ACLU.  They won't get off their asses for much dealing with this industry, but maybe a dead kid will get through to them that it's a serious problem.

It helps that the Thayer folks are a pack of religious fanatice, because the ACLUers generally hate those guys.

(I'm *not* criticizing your faith if you're Christian, or the faith of anyone else sent to Thayer.  But the Thayer staff and owners don't seem to fit any rational person's definition of "Good Christians.")

Julie
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