14 Year old Dies at THAYER LEARNING CENTER

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-10 02:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

"That is such bullshit.  Were in the hell would that type of spider come from?  He was a big boy from what I have been told and in Missouri we don't really have spiders that can do that.  A small child maybe, but it would take along time for a large young adult or adult to die from a bite at the poisonous spiders here in Missouri.  I smell Payoff."

The deadly brown recluse spider is in Missouri and does cause death if misdiagnosed.

[Anonymous]

http://fallenearth.org/blogs/juliebutte ... 05212.html

[Anonymous]

:roll:

[Anonymous]

yes if misdiagnosed, but to be misdiagnosed that means you would have had to have gone to the hospital or doctor or something to be diagnosed. . . RIGHT!!!  Obviously he was not taken and a misdiagnosis of brown recluse would make the doctor a moron since the skin begins to rot away.  And in Missouri mostly elderly and very, very small children die of spider bites but even then it is very very rare!!!!!!!  And this boy was not small from I have been told.

[Anonymous]

We have recluses here in Tx. I was bitten on the arm. While I didn't know when it happened, I developed flu-like symptoms within a day or two. While I was recouperating from the 'flu' I noticed the bite, because it itched like hell. It was very obviously something unusual so I went to the doctor who confirmed it was a recluse bite. I chose to go with non-traditional treatment and it healed nicely with no surgery necessary. Never got larger than a pea.

Couple of years later a friend thought he had a boil on his back, next to his spine. I looked at it and told him that it looked like a recluse bite. He confirmed this with his doctor and then treated it as I had mine.

My daughter's hairdresser was biten numerous times on the back. Was very ill for a long time. Was hospitalized in the process, but recovered.

The most bizarre story is one of an acquaintence who was bitten on the calf of his leg. Ignored it until it was rather large. He was hospitalized and tissue was removed. While hospitalized he picked up some kind of infection in the site (can't remember the name) but it's resistent to bleach, and apparently only found in hospitals. Anyway, he had a 13 year battle with this and is just now healing. After exhausting what the medical est. had to offer he finally resorted to alternatives. The wound wraps around his leg. For the first time in 13 years the wound bleeds, therefore grafting is now possible. Looks like he will avoid amputation.

The bite is worse if it occurs in a fleshy area.

All this to say, you know when you've been biten. You can't deny it, the itching, pain, or flu-like symptoms. And if it's treated early its not a big deal. I have NEVER heard of anyone dying from a recluse bite that quickly. Nor a black widow. How many other venomous spiders are in Mo?

It's very possible that they blew off the 'flu-like' symptoms, and because I know how the industry operates, it wouldn't surprise me if they had him 'working' inspite of his symptoms. IF, big IF, he even had a spider bite to begin with.

[cherish wisdom]

Even if it was a spider bite -the boy was not given proper medical care. This is a huge problem in the teen industry. I've spoken to many survivors who had injuries, illnesses, fractures, sprains and a few her had severe side effects from drugging.  Only a few were given proper medical care. One girl indicated that she had to have a friend help her pop her hip back into the socket.  She was also not allowed to have crutches. The staff are so quick to say that the patient is "faking it."  They lack compassion or concern.  If this is true - then the staff litterally let him suffer some terrible pain before dying from this bite.  If true - it is worse that dying from the restraint - because he must have suffered for a long time.
How cruel and inhumane!

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[Anonymous]

I know of two spiders that are venomous to do harm, not kill.  If it does kill usually small children or people who ignore(usually elderly).  I have never really ever heard of anyone every really dying from a spider bite.  I heard of an old man a few years back that did but ignored and somthing freaky happened, I don't think he actually died from the spider bite in the end.

[Anonymous]

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascit ... 180.htm?1c

[Anonymous]

i will gladly state our experence at thayer. we sent our kid there and pulled him out. they staff lie. period im sure they are doing some terrible things at thayer. my son has plenty of stories.   sad very sad.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone have the link to the news article indicating that he died from a spider bite?  It's so outrageous - I hope the family does something.  This facility denied this child of life-saving medical care - a frequent and deadly practice at many teen programs.

[Anonymous]

"i will gladly state our experence at thayer. we sent our kid there and pulled him out"

how long did he stay there?How far along in school did he get?

[Anonymous]

I have a brother at Thayer and i do have to say this is rediculous. I do agree that their deffinatly was some misconduct in this situation. I agree with you, i have never heard of anyone dieing of a spider bite. The worst i have ever seen was from a black widow and they usually leave unmistakable black marks, that a person would have to purposly neglect seeking madical attention for. This situation only accured because of the negligence of the facility. From my understanding this child had died because of spider bite, but clearly the child was looked down upon and was "faking it". I did some resurch on the brown recluse spder and these are some of the things i found.

Abundance of Recluses
One consistent life history characteristic of recluse spiders is that in the right environment their populations are usually dense. Loxosceles reclusa is a common house spider in the midwestern United States. If you find recluses, you do not find one, you find many. Examples for the brown recluse include 9 under a piece of plywood in Oklahoma, 52 in an indoor laboratory, and 6 under a waterbed frame in Arkansas, 150 in a Kansas home, 40 collected in a Missouri barn in 1 hour, and 44 in sticky traps in a Tennessee home in 1 day.

Similarly, for the desert recluse in California, 12 of these spiders were collected under a doghouse in Yucca Valley and six were removed from a cottage bedroom in the Mojave Desert. In a study in Chile, 645 of 2189 homes that were searched contained the South American recluse spider, L. laeta. The five most infested homes averaged 163 spiders each and in none of these houses had spider bites been reported.

Given this information it is clear that the abundance of recluse spiders in the mid west is larg, and with todays technology the possible cures, as you said yourself, are easily abtainable.

Without a doubt in my my mind, if this was truly a spider bite, the child did not die from it. It was a case of unorthodox response to a very serious stimuli, if you will.

[Anonymous]

You who worked at thayer please tell me more about what you have seen in your time their. I am very conceredend. I have a family member their.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

One of my favorite lines from that is:

"We don't try to figure out why they started doing drugs 5 years ago, we're focusing on why he's disrespecting his mom."

So, to paraphrase, they don't give a shit about any reasons WHY someone might be trying to escape reality or whatever the fuck they want to call it, all they're worried about is disrespecting mom.  That's what parenting is really all about after all, isn't it.  How your child reflects on you, right? ::puke::