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[Helena Handbasket]

My point is  ---  go away "Sara".  You're hopeless  :wave: "

Figures that you don't have a point... as usual.

 :roll:

Acutally, Anon 1, I don't want to go away.   Such "classy" posts by you, that show such eloquent language skills and comprehension kinda draw me in like a witness to a train wreck.

[ This Message was edited by: Sara-84 on 2004-12-18 08:15 ]

[dbucfan]

The counselors were all from life as step was a life spinoff. My parents actually helped get it going by having fundraisers as it was "non-profit", stuff like a fishing tournament in boca grande and art auctions etc.. I was on second phase when step opened and i moved back home to tampa from fostering out and the residentials in osprey(life). for me as i stated in the initial post...it was scary when i first got thier and could be uncomfortable and embarasssing at times. but i adapted. from what quite a few persons have said my experience was very tame in comparison. belt looping...no sharp objects...no belts...no doors on the bathroom stalls...getting pretty emotional in from of thirty of my peers...hearing stories of horrible childhoods from my peers and really not being able to relate made me feel awkward. overall as i look back on it, it was positive in my case. never saw sexual abuse...saw some restraining on runners or people who acted up in group. i didnt save any clippings or any stuff from the program...although i wish i could have saved my Moral inventories(MI's) just to recall more. i dont know if anyone has died that i went through life and step with. no pics of step but if your ever in tampa the address is an industrial park ner the airport...funny but the street it was on was called southern comfort road...lol!
Darren

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-18 16:04:00, dbucfan wrote:

"The counselors were all from life as step was a life spinoff. My parents actually helped get it going by having fundraisers as it was "non-profit", stuff like a fishing tournament in boca grande and art auctions etc.. I was on second phase when step opened and i moved back home to tampa from fostering out and the residentials in osprey(life). for me as i stated in the initial post...it was scary when i first got thier and could be uncomfortable and embarasssing at times. but i adapted. from what quite a few persons have said my experience was very tame in comparison. belt looping...no sharp objects...no belts...no doors on the bathroom stalls...getting pretty emotional in from of thirty of my peers...hearing stories of horrible childhoods from my peers and really not being able to relate made me feel awkward. overall as i look back on it, it was positive in my case. never saw sexual abuse...saw some restraining on runners or people who acted up in group. i didnt save any clippings or any stuff from the program...although i wish i could have saved my Moral inventories(MI's) just to recall more. i dont know if anyone has died that i went through life and step with. no pics of step but if your ever in tampa the address is an industrial park ner the airport...funny but the street it was on was called southern comfort road...lol!

Darren"

  oh this is no good.  no abuse and torture??  can't be!  please rethink and come up with SOMETHING.

[Helena Handbasket]

oh this is no good.  no abuse and torture??  can't be!  please rethink and come up with SOMETHING."

Ok, so... WHY was LIFE shut down?

[Anonymous]

Ok, so... WHY was LIFE shut down?
"

  LIFE was not shut down, but was bought out by Venice hospital, after a new Executive Staff person came in and spent a bunch of money on unnecessary things and put them in financial straights.  Venice hospital then slowly changed the original model to mimick more of the "hospital" style setting/program, and those don't work, so it faded out.

  It was NOT closed because of abuse.  The cost of the program compared to those hospital 30 day fixes was NOTHING, so financially NO ONE was getting rich.  This was also the case of a few other spin-off's by LIFE.  Financially, they just couldn't stay afloat (Ft. Myers program, Winter Haven and Tampa).

  Sorry to disappoint you (well, on second thought - not really).

[dbucfan]

I know...I know...pretty boring stuff. I think the most terrifying thing that happened to me was forgetting to write an MI when i was on a (permission)? then i think i got sent back a phase for it!

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2004-12-19 15:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Ok, so... WHY was LIFE shut down?

LIFE was not shut down, but was bought out by Venice hospital, after a new Executive Staff person came in and spent a bunch of money on unnecessary things and put them in financial straights.

One new executive staff person came in and brought down the entire operation?  Pray tell, what on earth did they buy?

 

Venice hospital then slowly changed the original model to mimick more of the "hospital" style setting/program, and those don't work, so it faded out.

A clinical setting didn't work?  Wonder why other clinical settings don't "fade out" ... hmmmm....

  It was NOT closed because of abuse.  The cost of the program compared to those hospital 30 day fixes was NOTHING, so financially NO ONE was getting rich.  

So, compared to a hospital, LIFE was cheaper? Or perhaps it was just that no reputable insurance companies would pay for such a sham?  But there was no abuse.. no. :silly:

This was also the case of a few other spin-off's by LIFE.  Financially, they just couldn't stay afloat (Ft. Myers program, Winter Haven and Tampa).

Does this sound strangely familiar to anyone else? :grin:  As for me... Gee, I wonder why?  Must have been that elusive executive staff person spending too much money on cushy dwellings for those rotten kids?

Sorry to disappoint you (well, on second thought - not really)."

Disappoint me?  Hardly!  No, keep on a-typing...  you're giving us all a good laugh here! :lol:[ This Message was edited by: Sara-84 on 2004-12-19 19:16 ]

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2004-12-19 17:42:00, dbucfan wrote:

"I know...I know...pretty boring stuff. I think the most terrifying thing that happened to me was forgetting to write an MI when i was on a (permission)? then i think i got sent back a phase for it!"

You poor baby! :roll:

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- Ani DiFranco [ This Message was edited by: Sara-84 on 2004-12-19 19:14 ]

[Anonymous]

Seems Ms Sara has an answer for everything.  Oh wise one - it is a privledge to be amid your presence.

  You asked and were answered.  If you have ALL the answers, then please stop playing games and stop ASKING.

  Just for the record - this was PRIOR to Insurance paying for tretament - when it was $3,000 or $4,000 for HOWEVER long it took (like a year, or whatever) --- not $2,000 a DAY from Insurance connected psych wards. This particular Executive staff came in thinking she had all the answers, and started hiring excess Exec. staff, etc... (not "WHAT did she buy"), and changed the MODEL of the program.

  That info. wasn't for Sara (who wants to dispute truths she knows nothing about), but for those of you who are sincerely interested in the facts.

  Didn't Sara say she was "gone" before?!?!  No more posts?!?  Promises, promises.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-12-19 19:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

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  Just for the record - this was PRIOR to Insurance paying for tretament - when it was $3,000 or $4,000 for HOWEVER long it took (like a year, or whatever)

That was just the initial fee.  That doesn't include the monthly fees.

[Anonymous]

  You asked and were answered.  If you have ALL the answers, then please stop playing games and stop ASKING.

Seems someone is tired of getting caught in lies...or is it just leftover disinformation that you're still caught up in?  Playing games?  Baby, you're the one spinning the truth, not me.

Just for the record - this was PRIOR to Insurance paying for tretament - when it was $3,000 or $4,000 for HOWEVER long it took (like a year, or whatever) --- not $2,000 a DAY from Insurance connected psych wards.

$2000 a day for a psych ward?  Is that a fact?  
Then explain to me why the "cushiest" hospital in 2001 charged about $300 a day?

See, this is what I mean - 20+ years later, and you're still spewing what you were told in your junior staff training.  

This particular Executive staff came in thinking she had all the answers, and started hiring excess Exec. staff, etc... (not "WHAT did she buy"), and changed the MODEL of the program.

Oh God FORBID did she hire people who were LICENSED???  From accredited universities even??   :scared: Did she change the model of the program to something that was actually recognized by the AMA and the APA... You know... like the programs that treat actual problems and aren't in the news every other week?  Or did you know those places even existed, Madam  
Spokesperson?

  That info. wasn't for Sara (who wants to dispute truths she knows nothing about), but for those of you who are sincerely interested in the facts.

Speaking of trth, I noticed you had nothing to say about Petermann's credentials.  Come on now... let's hear the truth from you, since you seem to have it all holed up in that narrow little mind of yours.

Didn't Sara say she was "gone" before?!?!  No more posts?!?  Promises, promises."

Yep, sure did.  I deal in facts, and when you and the other 'kids' just want to fling your toys around the proverbial playground, I won't participate.  

I'm sure you wish I would go away.  Kind of uncomfortable knowing I'm sitting here with names, dates and facts, isn't it?  Tell you what, Mouthpiece... next time someone asks about the program, I'll just give them your phone number, okay?  :wave:

[kpickle39]

She was a damn high school grad...big deal.  The only "credentials" she had was that she was a class "A" bitch.  That lady was worth nothing, she is a piece of crap.

[Anonymous]

I'm sure you wish I would go away.  Kind of uncomfortable knowing I'm sitting here with names, dates and facts, isn't it?  Tell you what, Mouthpiece... next time someone asks about the program, I'll just give them your phone number, okay?  :wave: "

  rofl ...  YOU have FACTS?!  rrriigghhhhttt.  You are humorous. I'll give you that.  But you're right. You should have NEVER been put in a program like this.  You're FAR beyond that small scale help.  You proabably do know about psych wards...personal experience no doubt (and/or family history).  
  I've obviously got you caught up in this.  You just CAN'T stay away.  Always have to put your two cents in, along with your snide remarks.  And I LOVE how you take the time to break down each quote to question, correct and rebute it all.
  All I can really do here is shake my head in pity for you.  Believe whatever you MUST to make yourself feel RIGHT - it really matters NOT, to me.
  Now CARRY ON Sara, ridding the world of evil treatment centers.  You ARE my hero!   :lol:

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2004-12-20 12:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

 rofl ...  YOU have FACTS?!  rrriigghhhhttt.  You are humorous. I'll give you that.  But you're right. You should have NEVER been put in a program like this.  You're FAR beyond that small scale help.  You proabably do know about psych wards...personal experience no doubt (and/or family history).

If it makes you feel better to believe that - you go right ahead.   :roll: Oh, here we go with the sandbox again.  

Can you really be that obtuse?

Oh wait.. I'm asking someone who actually thinks "rebute" is a word.    :roll:

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2004-12-20 04:28:00, kpickle39 wrote:

"She was a damn high school grad...big deal.  The only "credentials" she had was that she was a class "A" bitch.  That lady was worth nothing, she is a piece of crap."

I thought she was a drop-out?