Verbal Vollyball Court..just for Anon's

[Anonymous]

On 2004-11-09 19:43:00, Sara-1984 wrote:

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My parents didn't smoke, or drink (not even an occassional wine) or curse , so I could never "steal" any of those things.  My choices were my choices, and going into the program was a chance to see that clearly and decide whether to continue in that direction or not.  I choose to grow up and stop being a follower.



   I do feel for anyone who grew up in a dysfunctional family such as your's.  How horrible for a kid.  I am thankful that was not my circumstance.  I do not blame my parents for MY attitude.  I own my behaviors, past and present.



   Maybe the biggest thing I learned when I went through the program was to take responsibility.  No - I was NOT a hard core drug abuser, or a crack addict, ect, but I WAS a kid failing high school, with a horrible attitude and no respect for anyone, who no goals or motivation, and little to no self esteem.  There were staff there who sincerely cared and helped me (maybe  I didn't like it at the time, but OH WELL -  I had a bad attitude about most everything as a 16 yr old), and I CHOOSE to take what I could and benefit from it.  That is NOT a "put-down" to anyone here who didn't.  







  I have posted (after being made of this site) to tell the OTHER side of the story.  Many here want to claim these programs are torturous and "cults", etc., and I came on to say that was NOT my experience.



  Incidentally, though it was not EASY (as it shouldn't have been), kids left the program ALL the time.  If you were brought back, it was by your parents!  And, as far as "smarting off" to your parents, i don't think ANYONE got to one of these programs after mouthing off once or twice -- THAT is laughable.  Things had to be PRETTY DARN BAD to get your parent to pay out a few thousand dollars and commit to a year (or so) of a program, where parents are required to attend 2 meetings a week, and then to take kids INTO their homes nightly, driving them back and forth daily.  It's not like they dropped their kids off and came back 6 months later for a result.  It was a FAMILY program.  Just to clarify."

This is my last post, people.  Besides... This isn't my volleyball court, anyway.  So you guys had shitty attitudes, and failed classes, and dished out a myriad of crap that would probably drive parent nuts who wasn't up to the task.  So be it.  



But, Darren, and Anon (if you have kids)-- I gotta tell you, I feel for your kids not because you want to protect them, but because, like your parents before you,  you do not question the methods that were employed!!!.



Don't you find it suspicious that kids had to be lied to or kidnapped to be brought to the program?  Why don't other programs use those tactics?  Why aren't kids sat on and threatened on their way to Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts... or the Boys/Girls Clubs... or your local community kids groups?  



Don't you find it suspicious how a legitimate program would admit a child with no prior drug history and no prior drug testing?  Isn't it also suspect that this program drew blood tests after "admission" and never gave the results, but went forth to mentally pulverize kids into admitting a drug problem they may not have had?  





Doesn't it bother you that you can walk into one of these places and say "My kid's on drugs", and it can be totally false, and they'll take them anyway, sight unseen?



Isn't it also convenient that the records were destroyed?   That way, no one could actually prove that they had no drug history, and could simply be chalked up to being in some sort of druggie denial?



Like I said before - I may have had a weird situation... but I wasn't the only one.



Why didn't the "professionals" question why the chunky kid's "drug list" was only "Dexatrim", and furthermore, why was the eleven year old sibling was admitted -- whose only crime was being a sibling to the chunky kid who took Dexatrim?



Why did the "professionals" deem it necessary to cease all forms of education during phases 1-2.  Some people never reached third phase for a year.  Any idea what that does to a scholastic record?  There were a few 4.0 students in there with me.  I wonder if they ever made it to college after a few months to a year's absence.



Where did these "professionals" get their medical degrees?  We were told in "Girls Rap" that if you had a weird female problem (and I'll refrain from the actual symptoms) , a simple "clear water douche" would clear it right up.  This meant water that came from the bathroom sink.   If you had severe acne, you should scrub really well with a super hot washcloth (completely contraindicated in real medicine).  If you got a rash, it was the "drugs trying to come out".  



Damn!





I could go on and on.  Too many walls in this maze, though.   Bottom line --  there was a lot of shit that was force fed that defied logic.  Some swallowed it willingly. Some spit it back, and will continue to slap the spoons out of the hands of anyone trying to feed someone else from the same pile of dung.





God bless your kids... they're gonna need it.[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-09 19:44 ]"

dbucfan/darren here...thanks for blessing my children...no offense intended(really) but god bless you...i hope your life improves and you eventually get over the bent feelings you have...i agree with your opinion of some of the crazy and sometimes demeaning/hurtful things that were done to you. i would have had a hard time putting up with that stuff myself! :scared:

[Helena Handbasket]

dbucfan/darren here...thanks for blessing my children...no offense intended(really) but god bless you...i hope your life improves and you eventually get over the bent feelings you have...i agree with your opinion of some of the crazy and sometimes demeaning/hurtful things that were done to you. i would have had a hard time putting up with that stuff myself! :scared: "

You hope my life improves?   From what?  Be careful what you assume... you're stepping very close to that line of making an ass of yourself.

You talk about my "bent feelings"...  I stated to you and the "Anonomouse", statements of fact, not my personal feeling.  You and the "Anonomouse" only came back with personal feelings -- and furthermore, "Anonomouse" went forth to speak as if I was questioning his/her medical degree!  How inane is that?  

Maybe it would help to use an old program phrase that you two may understand:   Get out of your head(s)!!!  Just because it wasn't you who was kidnapped, and just because it wasn't you who was held without cause, and just because it didn't happen to you, it doesn't mean it never happened.  

It's a shame that you might ignore this now, and hear it from your kids in twenty years or so.[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-12 19:00 ]

[Anonymous]

On 2004-11-12 18:53:00, Sara-1984 wrote:

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dbucfan/darren here...thanks for blessing my children...no offense intended(really) but god bless you...i hope your life improves and you eventually get over the bent feelings you have...i agree with your opinion of some of the crazy and sometimes demeaning/hurtful things that were done to you. i would have had a hard time putting up with that stuff myself! :scared: "

You hope my life improves?   From what?  Be careful what you assume... you're stepping very close to that line of making an ass of yourself.



You talk about my "bent feelings"...  I stated to you and the "Anonomouse", statements of fact, not my personal feeling.  You and the "Anonomouse" only came back with personal feelings -- and furthermore, "Anonomouse" went forth to speak as if I was questioning his/her medical degree!  How inane is that?  



Maybe it would help to use an old program phrase that you two may understand:   Get out of your head(s)!!!  Just because it wasn't you who was kidnapped, and just because it wasn't you who was held without cause, and just because it didn't happen to you, it doesn't mean it never happened.  



It's a shame that you might ignore this now, and hear it from your kids in twenty years or so.[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-12 19:00 ]"

   Say what you MEAN and MEAN what you say!  You said on your last post that it would BE your LAST post!   LOL   :lol:

[Anonymous]

On 2004-11-12 18:53:00, Sara-1984 wrote:

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dbucfan/darren here...thanks for blessing my children...no offense intended(really) but god bless you...i hope your life improves and you eventually get over the bent feelings you have...i agree with your opinion of some of the crazy and sometimes demeaning/hurtful things that were done to you. i would have had a hard time putting up with that stuff myself! :scared: "

You hope my life improves?   From what?  Be careful what you assume... you're stepping very close to that line of making an ass of yourself.



You talk about my "bent feelings"...  I stated to you and the "Anonomouse", statements of fact, not my personal feeling.  You and the "Anonomouse" only came back with personal feelings -- and furthermore, "Anonomouse" went forth to speak as if I was questioning his/her medical degree!  How inane is that?  



Maybe it would help to use an old program phrase that you two may understand:   Get out of your head(s)!!!  Just because it wasn't you who was kidnapped, and just because it wasn't you who was held without cause, and just because it didn't happen to you, it doesn't mean it never happened.  



It's a shame that you might ignore this now, and hear it from your kids in twenty years or so.[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-12 19:00 ]"

ouch!...your dealing with the past very well i see...your rage is pretty scary. i guess i would attack just about anyone who wasnt as miserable as me if i went through the horrors you did. hope you feel better soon...my children send their regards as well. :wave:

[dbucfan]

On 2004-11-12 20:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-11-12 18:53:00, Sara-1984 wrote:


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dbucfan/darren here...thanks for blessing my children...no offense intended(really) but god bless you...i hope your life improves and you eventually get over the bent feelings you have...i agree with your opinion of some of the crazy and sometimes demeaning/hurtful things that were done to you. i would have had a hard time putting up with that stuff myself! :scared: "

You hope my life improves?   From what?  Be careful what you assume... you're stepping very close to that line of making an ass of yourself.





You talk about my "bent feelings"...  I stated to you and the "Anonomouse", statements of fact, not my personal feeling.  You and the "Anonomouse" only came back with personal feelings -- and furthermore, "Anonomouse" went forth to speak as if I was questioning his/her medical degree!  How inane is that?  





Maybe it would help to use an old program phrase that you two may understand:   Get out of your head(s)!!!  Just because it wasn't you who was kidnapped, and just because it wasn't you who was held without cause, and just because it didn't happen to you, it doesn't mean it never happened.  





It's a shame that you might ignore this now, and hear it from your kids in twenty years or so.[ This Message was edited by: Sara-1984 on 2004-11-12 19:00 ]"

ouch!...your dealing with the past very well i see...your rage is pretty scary. i guess i would attack just about anyone who wasnt as miserable as me if i went through the horrors you did. hope you feel better soon...my children send their regards as well. :wave: "

that was me again...logging in EVERY time is so tedious ugggghhh!

[Helena Handbasket]

   Say what you MEAN and MEAN what you say!  You said on your last post that it would BE your LAST post!   LOL   :roll:

[Helena Handbasket]

On 2004-11-12 20:27:00, Sara-1984 wrote:

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   Say what you MEAN and MEAN what you say!  You said on your last post that it would BE your LAST post!   LOL   :roll:

[Anonymous]

Displaced anger.  I think Sara could benefit from some good therapy with her parents (or whoever TOOK her (or "kidnapped her") to the program.
  It's obviously not dealt with HOW many years later.  I can't imagine how that would effect my life on a daily basis. All that bitterness and blame. Many who create a "victimized" profile, thrive off it and need it to stay that way, especially after holding on to it for SO long.
  I don't blame ANYONE for having issues or bad experiences --- what I think is wrong, is to NOT deal with it, and allow it to rule you into adulthood.  Take responsibility and DO SOMETHING about it (that's more than whining, complaining and joining others in the same boat to "feester").

[Helena Handbasket]

I rest my case.

Where did I say I was kidnapped?

"FEESTERING" ANGER?!?!

Oh my... of course I come back - I keep coming back because it's SO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!  

:rofl:

Ahem. :rofl:

[Anonymous]

On 2004-11-13 10:30:00, Sara-1984 wrote:

"I rest my case.



Where did I say I was kidnapped?



"FEESTERING" ANGER?!?!



Oh my... of course I come back - I keep coming back because it's SO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!  



:rofl:



Ahem. :rofl: "

laughing is good! very healthy...makes you feel better. :grin:

[Anonymous]

On 2004-11-13 10:30:00, Sara-1984 wrote:

"I rest my case.



Where did I say I was kidnapped?



"FEESTERING" ANGER?!?!



Oh my... of course I come back - I keep coming back because it's SO FUCKING FUNNY!!!!  



:rofl:



Ahem. :smile:

[Anonymous]

laughing is good! very healthy...makes you feel better. :grin: "

Now now ... please contain the foul, distasteful language.

Oh come on now, condescension is the best you can do?  Pitiful!    :lol:

[Anonymous]

On 2004-11-14 11:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

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laughing is good! very healthy...makes you feel better. :grin: "

Now now ... please contain the foul, distasteful language.

Oh come on now, condescension is the best you can do?  Pitiful!    :lol: "

That is the best that Wendy and Peggy can come up with.

[Anonymous]

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On 2004-11-14 11:58:00, Anonymous wrote:



That is the best that Wendy and Peggy can come up with."

I wonder if these two even made it through college or high school for that matter. Probably not, I'm sure they were to busy running around Florida setting up new spin-off programs for Miss Pete during those years of their life. Although I recently heard that being a notary public in Sarasota can be quite a rewarding trade.

[Anonymous]

Your serve!!!