Open Letter to Parents on Marijuana

[Anonymous]

come on!  anxiety?  that is bullshit.  I'm not anxious about life.  I'm friggin excited about life.  I'm the poster that has smoked for over 31 years.  Obviously, you just quote the parent bullshit speak of the program.

[spots]

On 2004-10-17 19:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

It's a much different thing than when I was a teen.

This phrase is part of the mantra of the WWASPS seminars.  Yet, when you ask exactly how "it is different", you get no response.  Is different worse?  One would expect so, from the dreaded tones of evilness with which this phrase is spoken.  Are there more drugs?  Are they easier or cheaper to get?  I don't think so.  I graduated high school in the 60's, and some really dangerous psychodelic drugs, mushrooms, exotic Eastern stuff, was available at every party to pop into your long-neck bottle of beer.  There was even the dreaded mellow yellow, dried shaving of the insides of banana peels...realy nasty stuff!    Because you expected it, you could probably get as high off mellow yellow as you can attending a high-volume rah-rah seminar (thankfully apart from your kids) in a drab motel conference room.  

To say that "things are much worse now" is to give up thinking, and go with the Party Line...while giving up on parenting your child.  Hhmmm..."deadorinjail" comes to mind.  Ask a WWASPie what that means, really, and watch for a blank expression.  

For a biological creator (steering away from the word "parent"), it's nifty to say, "Given a choice between pharmaceutical meds,street drugs, marijuana or behavior modification, I would choose behavior modification.  It does work for those who choose to."  Problem is, the victims of BM facilities never get to make the choice. Modify your behavior or die...literally.  My child told me she was truly convinced she was going to die in WWASPS custody.  What an incentive to modify!

[Anonymous]

To the person that has been smoking pot for over 30 years, what don't you trust about yourself that you have to mask your thoughts and feelings?  I don't see how this could be a testimonial of how "okay" it is.

Yes, Spots, it is different from when I was a teen.  It's not necessarily the drugs, it's the rampant writing of prescriptions for ADD, diagnosing mood disorders that make our kids feel worthless, not to mention the public school system.   Can a parent really be a parent when schools, psychiatrists, therapists are telling them what to do to be a better parent which means popping a pill in the kids mouth, they'll be okay. What is that telling the kids, it's telling them it's okay to take drugs.  Do they really think the prescribed meds are different from the street drugs when their peers are self-medicating?  How many kids can go into the parents medicine cabinet or liquor cabinet and find what they see their parents taking.  Yes, it is different from when I was a teen.

The drugs are designer now, if you don't think the drugs are more dangerous, you are not educating yourself.  Go to a head shop if you dare to be educated, and ask questions. Maybe your local police department has a handbook of street drugs.  

Tell me what Salvia Divinorum, Khat and Yaba are.    You've heard about Ecstacy, but can you tell me more about it?  What about MDMA? DXM? GHB?  

What do you have in your home that can be used to get high?  Keyboard cleaner, rubber cement, butane, degreasers?  Not "new" but is being used more now than ever.

What about Ketamine?  Being around animals, you may have this in your barn?

[Deborah]

http://ishmael.com/Education/Writings/rice_u_2_98.shtml

[GregFL]

On 2004-10-17 19:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Given a choice between pharmaceutical meds,street drugs, marijuana or behavior modification, I would choose behavior modification.  

I hope you mean for yourself. The world has had enough of self rightous assholes telling others they need a little brainwashing...for their own good.

[GregFL]

Pot is a tad bit different than when we were kids in the 70s, but not in a negative way.

You see, those that point to the terrifying increase in potency fail to realize that kids today smoke much less marijuana because of the potentcy taking in much less smoke and tars.

When I was a kid people would smoke an ounce in one night. Now 5 people might get together and  all share one  joint and be done.


And, I do not smoke marijuana anymore soley because I get anxious when I smoke. Some of my best friends have smoked for over 30 years and are highly sucessfull republican types.  In fact, if people trusted you would would know how many middle aged sucessfull professional family people smoke pot.  It really is astounding.

Your link anon was nothing but idiotic propoganda designed to spread misinformation and prop up the failed war on drugs.  Try again.[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-10-19 20:46 ]

[Anonymous]

Actually Greg, I agree this is propaganda.  I posted to open up conversation.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-10-19 19:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"To the person that has been smoking pot for over 30 years, what don't you trust about yourself that you have to mask your thoughts and feelings?  I don't see how this could be a testimonial of how "okay" it is.
 "

Mask my thoughts and feelings?  Uh no, I smoke grass recreationally.  I dont' use it to "mask thoughts or feelings"  Obviously you are still hung up on program speak.   Much to the dismay of people like you and others in the "teen help industry" (what a joke), smoking grass is ok done in moderation, just like most other things.  I like candy, but I don't eat it every day, nor do I eat a pound of it when I do.  Just like smoking grass, I smoke a couple of bong hits on Friday and Saturday night.   That's it!   I have been doing this for over 30 years.  I am highly succesful in my field (not a republican type).  I meet people all the time that are in my age group(late 30's to mid 50's) that smoke MJ.  So maybe you should think for yourself and not let the  folks in the teen help industry do it for you.  You know, God gave you a brain. . . maybe you should use it.

[Anonymous]

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[GregFL]

On 2004-10-19 23:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Actually Greg, I agree this is propaganda.  I posted to open up conversation.  "

Oops. Sorry I misunderstood. Good topic.

[BuzzKill]

There is a Christian board I spend some time on and recently someone posted asking if it was a sin to smoke pot.
I was surprised at how many of the frequent and  conservative type posters admitted to smoking and seeing no harm in it.
Naturally, there was a lot of disagreement, as there always is, no matter the topic - but I was surprised at the general strong support the herbs of the field had.
I can see where some might smoke less as a result of the power behind it nowadaze - but I don't think this is the case with the kids my kid hangs with. I think they get pretty blistered.
I personally see no great harm in the occasional joint but I do think there are significant health risks to any kind of frequent use. I do think frequent use in the teen years may predispose a person to depression and anxiety as an adult. It has to do with the effect of the drug on the brain and the wearing out of the neurons that one needs to feel content and at ease.  It also, without a doubt, eats up memory. Then their are the respiratory problems and the adverse effect on the immune system. And also, I have a friend who works in a hospital and she tells me the docs talk about the growing epidemic of cancers that they attribute to pot use among the baby boomers.
It is not a benign drug.
Even so, I agree the laws as they now stand do far more harm than the drug itself ever could.
As a Christian, I have deep concerns about the spiritual aspects of any kind of drug use. There is a reason why mind/mood altering drug use is so popular among occultist - and its not something a Christian ought to be dabbling with. Their are plenty of Christians who disagree - but that's my opinion.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-10-21 10:24:00, BuzzKill wrote:

"There is a Christian board I spend some time on and recently someone posted asking if it was a sin to smoke pot.

I was surprised at how many of the frequent and  conservative type posters admitted to smoking and seeing no harm in it.

Naturally, there was a lot of disagreement, as there always is, no matter the topic - but I was surprised at the general strong support the herbs of the field had.

I can see where some might smoke less as a result of the power behind it nowadaze - but I don't think this is the case with the kids my kid hangs with. I think they get pretty blistered.

We are talking about the amount of marijuana, not the resulting high.

...are significant health risks to any kind of frequent use. I do think frequent use in the teen years may predispose a person to depression and anxiety as an adult. It has to do with the effect of the drug on the brain and the wearing out of the neurons that one needs to feel content and at ease.  It also, without a doubt, eats up memory. Then their are the respiratory problems and the adverse effect on the immune system.

All very interesting if true. Post some links to the science behind your assertions here. Or are you just speculating?

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

On 2004-10-21 10:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I don't care if marijuana is a drug or not---I will continue to use it and persecute those who do not use it.  "With us or by us, you will get wasted!" :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin: "

Wow that r-e-a-l-l-y helped this conversation along didn't it? I would like to take this time to apologize for this poster, and how he cut into a serious topic of discussion. Continue please...

[Anonymous]

I think the message was as valid as any of the others.

I think the poster meant to put the shoe on the other foot- how would you folks who are against pot feel if you were required to use it? If your right to obstain was infringed upon?