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« on: October 16, 2004, 04:16:00 PM »
Hello:

I have been collecting information on WWASP programs for the past week, and would like to communicate directly with "graduates" or "survivors" of the programs (whichever you consider yourself) and perhaps some parents.

The information I have come across on the internet is difficult to trust, with all the strong opposing views on the effectiveness of the programs and the varying accounts of severity of the programs. I will say that some of the horror stories scare me, but I hope to withhold judgement for now.

I have a family member who was recently sent to the Academy at Ivy Ridge, a newer WWASP facility, and have found limited information specific to this facility. I am a young adult who feels very strongly that this adolescent's problems were insufficient trouble to warrant such action. I would like to put my mind at ease about the nature of this program and my cousin's well being, or take any action I and the rest of my family may to rectify what I see as a potentially grave mistake.

I would appreciate anyone who would take a few moments to drop me an email at NPrice1980@yahoo.com regarding positive or negative experiences with WWASP programs, especially those directly relating to Ivy Ridge.

Thanks So Much,

Nicole in Washington, DC
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2004, 04:31:00 PM »
Info about Ivy Ridge: http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.html

Make sure to read the survivors' statements.

That site also contains a lot of info about other WWASP programs and WWASP in general.
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2004, 04:47:00 PM »
Nicole, probably the best way to find out what you want to know would be to contact AIR directly and try to make arrangements to spend an hour w/ your young relative. I emphasise the word "try" because, if 1/10th of what I've read about AIR is accurate, you won't be allowed to see or even correspond w/ them at all. And, after posting here, you'll probably not even be allowed to communicate with them through their parents.

Unless, of course, you're a program troll trying to lure emotionally distraught people into making legally actionable statements.

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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2004, 07:12:00 PM »
I appreciate the link, I am looking into it presently. I can't believe I missed this with everything I've pulled up this week.


Again, anyone with direct, experiential information on Ivy Ridge, I would be very interested in correspondence by email, snail mail, or telephone. Feel free to contact me at NPrice1980@yahoo.com.

Best wishes to all,

Nicole
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2004, 04:05:00 AM »
ANTIGEN:  JUST A LITTLE NOTE FROM A RECENT LAW SCHOOL GRADUATE - COMMENTS ARE NOT LEGALLY ACTIONABLE - ie LIBELOUS - UNLESS THEY ARE NOT TRUE. TRUTH, YOU SEE, IS AN ABSOLUTE DEFENCE TO LIBEL.  THIS IS WHY THE FOLKS AT PURE DEFEATED WWASPS LAW SUIT AGAINST THEM RECENTLY. THEY BROUGHT IN ENOUGH PEOPLE TO BACK UP THEIR CLAIMS
THIS FACT ALONE - THE LOSS OF A LAW SUIT WILL PROBABLY PREVENT WWASP FROM EVER SEAKING ACTION AGAIN - UNLESS OF COURSE WHAT IS BEING SAID IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE.  THERE HAS JUST BEEN TOO MUCH PUBLICITY ABOUT WWASP PROGRAMS - THEY WILL HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME PREVAILING IN ANY TYPE OF LIBEL CASE. LOOK AT THE LAW CASE "NY TIMES VS SULLIVAN" IT IS A TEXTBOOK CASE THAT SPELLS OUT THE LAW REGARDING LEGALLY ACTIONABLE COMMENTS.....
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2004, 04:05:00 AM »
ANTIGEN:  JUST A LITTLE NOTE FROM A RECENT LAW SCHOOL GRADUATE - COMMENTS ARE NOT LEGALLY ACTIONABLE - ie LIBELOUS - UNLESS THEY ARE NOT TRUE. TRUTH, YOU SEE, IS AN ABSOLUTE DEFENCE TO LIBEL.  THIS IS WHY THE FOLKS AT PURE DEFEATED WWASPS LAW SUIT AGAINST THEM RECENTLY. THEY BROUGHT IN ENOUGH PEOPLE TO BACK UP THEIR CLAIMS
THIS FACT ALONE - THE LOSS OF A LAW SUIT WILL PROBABLY PREVENT WWASP FROM EVER SEAKING ACTION AGAIN - UNLESS OF COURSE WHAT IS BEING SAID IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE.  THERE HAS JUST BEEN TOO MUCH PUBLICITY ABOUT WWASP PROGRAMS - THEY WILL HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME PREVAILING IN ANY TYPE OF LIBEL CASE. LOOK AT THE LAW CASE "NY TIMES VS SULLIVAN" IT IS A TEXTBOOK CASE THAT SPELLS OUT THE LAW REGARDING LEGALLY ACTIONABLE COMMENTS.....
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2004, 04:09:00 PM »
Law School Graduate that's posting this??  

The reason WWASPS lost the lawsuit against PURE is that there are too many others posting lies on forums and talking to the press. They had to go after everyone, not just PURE.  Please, if this is not true, correct me with facts, not your own agenda.

Also, please direct me to an actual abuse suit against WWASPS that was proven true, or won.
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2004, 10:01:00 AM »
To the recent lawschool grad:

First, when you type in all caps, that's usually read as shouting. If that's your intent, ok. But if not, you'll want to unhitch your caps lock.

Second, you say "TRUTH, YOU SEE, IS AN ABSOLUTE DEFENCE TO LIBEL." That's not strictly true; at least not by the commonly accepted definitions of the word "truth". In order to meet the legal definition, one must be able to prove that what they say is true. How do you do that? No kid who's had their arm twisted almost to the point of breaking to enforce a stress position has pictures. They're not permitted to keep contact information of potential wittnesses and the "exit plans", as described by many, taint those wittnesses by intimidation anyway.

Telling the truth is one thing. Being able to prove what you say is another. I'm glad PURE won that suit. (however, I still would like to know to which schools and programs PURE refers kids, how they ensure safety and efficacy and how they get paid) And I'm glad more and more people are speaking out about what goes on inside these cloistered little cultures. Maybe one day we'll accomplish adequate transparency in the industry.

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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2004, 12:15:00 PM »
anon wwasp person says:
"The reason WWASPS lost the lawsuit against PURE is that there are too many others posting lies on forums and talking to the press. They had to go after everyone, not just PURE. Please, if this is not true, correct me with facts, not your own agenda. "

Now, how do you know this?
Have you interviewed the jury and so know why they found against you?
I wasn't there the entire time, but I don't recall the "many others posting" ever being mentioned. I would think they would have been, repeatedly, had this been a factor. In fact, seemed to me, wwasp would like the world (and the court) to think every negative post or report about them comes from Sue.
Sue's defense was based on the truth of what she had said in her now famous posting on Lons board.  At least, that was my un-professional take on the case.

If you want to know why I think wwasp lost this case:
http://isaccorp.org/wwasps/kbobservations.pdf

Now, if I'm wrong - please correct me with facts and not your aganda.
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2004, 09:20:00 PM »
It's not likely you are going to find an abuse, personal injury case against wwasp that was won.   Not yet anyway.

WWASP pays offfor silence. Dont be a dumb shit.
Get enlightened.

Cases are being filed right and left.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2004, 09:41:00 PM »
Nicole,

For information on Ivy Ridge contact the New York state Attorney's General's office.

There is an investigation taking place about Ivy Ridge.

Be afraid, be very concerned.
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2004, 07:02:00 PM »
my understanding is similar,  but in other words, wwasp has to PROVE that what was said is NOT true.  kinda hard to prove that when there are others with testimony to the contrary.
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2004, 03:36:00 PM »
When a case is settled out of court - and sometimes they are before a law-suit is filed - then there is no paper trail.  Many of the claims against WWASP are settled - much like one would settle an auto-accident.  The only time the public is aware is when the case if actually filed and goes to public court.  
They lost to PURE - and that set a standard of sorts.
When someone files a suit for libel - they then have the burden of proving that the statements were indeed entirely false.  
The folks at PURE had witnesses describe their abuse in public court to a jury.  It's reported that the testimonies were so sincere that many of the jurors wept or were visibly upset.  Several people testified under oath regarding the abuse they witnessed and endured - that was good enough for the court, the jury and for me.  
WWASP programs are abusive.........And there are witnesses to back up that statement and now there are official court records that back up that statement.  Therefore, it is not libelous to say on this forum, or any other, that WWASP programs have abused children....It's been established in open court.....

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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2004, 04:24:00 PM »
Hello:

I have been collecting information on WWASP programs for the past week, and would like to communicate directly with "graduates" or "survivors" of the programs (whichever you consider yourself) and perhaps some parents.

The information I have come across on the internet is difficult to trust, with all the strong opposing views on the effectiveness of the programs and the varying accounts of severity of the programs. I will say that some of the horror stories scare me, but I hope to withhold judgement for now.

I have a family member who was recently sent to the Academy at Ivy Ridge, a newer WWASP facility, and have found limited information specific to this facility. I am a young adult who feels very strongly that this adolescent's problems were insufficient trouble to warrant such action. I would like to put my mind at ease about the nature of this program and my cousin's well being, or take any action I and the rest of my family may to rectify what I see as a potentially grave mistake.

I would appreciate anyone who would take a few moments to drop me an email at NPrice1980@yahoo.com regarding positive or negative experiences with WWASP programs, especially those directly relating to Ivy Ridge.

Thanks So Much,

Nicole in Washington, DC
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2004, 05:41:00 PM »
Nicole - you should review some of the links regarding the closure of several WWASP facilities - especially the recent shut-down of Casa by the Sea in Ensenada Mexico.  There have been numerous reports of abuse about Ivy Ridge and the others. They all use the same abusive approach that includes a lot of punishment and rigid behavior modification.
WWASP programs use isolation as a form of punishment. The out-of-state programs would isolate children "on their face." Which means they had to lay on their bellies in an observation room. An observation room is usually a closet sized structure with concrete floor and concrete or brick walls.  I'm sure someone could give you some links to more reliable reports.  
Take Care,  and best wishes.....

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