How can anyone who has gone through STRAIGHT be a Republican

[nicoleesther]

I remember my intake back in 1990 at So Cal. Walking through the Straight door not knowing what the hell was going on.  I remember vividly looking at the big picture of BUSH Senior and his right wing Republican "WAR ON DRUGS PROPAGANDA." Feeding into the fears of our WHITE Affluent parents "Well our President endorses such a great program - as well as our former first lady THIS must be OK."  

Come on people!  How can you affiliate yourselves with a party that empowers Mel Sembler, his money, and his bought Ambassadorship.   After MY Straight experience I vowed to help the party that will try to disempower these fascist ASSHOLES!   :tup:

[kpickle39]

AMEN Nicole, AMEN!!  Go John/John

[thepatriot]

You make some good points, but all those holier than though idiots on the hill are cut from the same snobbish cloth, Kerry is no acception. To think that he is any more enlightened or qualified because of his party afflitiation is a joke. Try contacting his
campaign headquarters and inform them of Sembler, Straight and the war on drugs....he doesn't give a rats ass just like the rest of them. Kerry will be nothing more than a puppet for the UN, and you think we have problems now? And to say the entire repub party endorsed Straight is a joke, how many of them do you think even know anything about it? Kerry has been a Senator for 20 years, surely he would know some of Bush's and Semblers involvement with Straight especially during a election. Do you hear him speaking up? No! he doesnt give a shit about you being in Straight or anybody else, All I am saying is that he is no different or better than Bush, The Dems had four years to find a candidate and Kerry is all they have, thats a shame a big fucking shame. Fact of the matter is vote for who you wan't but they are two pretty pathetic choices and as far as integrity goes I think you can throw that argument out for both of them.

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[PerfectStraightling]

I agree they both have flaws. But I think that the original point and one that I feel as well, is that Bush seems a *little* too much like he's trying to brainwash people's opinion so that he can get more power. It is just too familiar for me and I abhore people who try to trick people to get what they want. Bush seems like this is his modus operandi. I am sure Kerry does it some, but not like the whole republican party seems able to do. They are really masters of this. Look at Clinton and the whole Lewinsky thing, I mean, what a load. I understand he lied under oath, but to make him out to be totally full of it because he didn't want his wife to know about a personal affair... I don't want to go on and on, but I just get so annoyed that Kerry can't say two words without it getting manipulated in some total crock that they must know is BS. And what for? For power only.

[nicoleesther]

AS a loyal DEMOCRAT I can hosently say yes, the party has problems.  We are not fighting hard enough and have been way to PC trying to be nice.  However, I remember at the 2000 convention for GORE a bunch of radicals for Nader attacked me and my husband.  They said we were corporate sell outs and the Party was no different than the Republicans.  Our response was, "Sometimes in life you have to make compromises in order to be elected."  I feel like going back to those Nader supporters and saying, "Is this what you wanted...over 1000 Americans dead in the Middle East. Your vote for Nader went to Bush!!!"  

Kerry is not interested with our cause right now because he is just trying to get in the White House.  Right now my cause is to get Bush and his administration booted back to Texas.  Once Bush is out OUR CAUSE is much more likely to be heard!!!!

This is one of the MOST important Elections EVER!  Not only for Our Cause but for future policies that will affect kids!

Nicole

[Antigen]

The primary difference I see between the Dempublicans and the Republicrats is that one party knows their leadership is full of shit and the other doesn't.

Kerry will probably give over more of our soverignty to the UN. But bush will just as likely give over more of our soverignty to the Carlyle Group and the rest of the military/prison industrial complex. Kerry is likely to encourage more public school spending on ever more senseless, invasive programs (including coerced psyche evaluation and treatment) while Büsh is more likely to encourage things like vouchers and faith-based programs (including Straight-like programs).

Six of these, half dozen of the other.

One important difference that I've seen mentioned in discussion lists is in how either one will go about appointing federal judges. Just browse federal court rulings in recent years then check to see whether a Dempublican or a Republicrat president appointed the judge writing the opinion.

Another important distinction is in the balance of power inside the beltway. Right now, we have a Republicrat majority in Congress. That's one reason why Büsh has been able to do so much damage; he has a guaranteed rubber stamp for almost anything he wants.

What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp.
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[Don Smith]

I have to go with the Partriot on this one.  Kerry doesn't give a darn about this, even if he does get elected he won't change anything.  If he said he would, it would only be a matter of a few days and then he'd flip flop on the issue.  LOL

All kidding aside, people have to vote their beliefs and I just can't get on board with someone who changes his stance on issues as often as Kerry does.  Bush has stood firm with the issues he's been dealing with.

Bush has the moral beliefs I do. Kerry opposes everything I believe in.

Don

[Antigen]

On 2004-10-04 17:15:00, Don Smith wrote:

 Bush has stood firm with the issues he's been dealing with.

That's just not true.

During the 2000 election campaign, a reporter asked Büsh where he stood on medical marijuana in states that had passed laws to approve it. He said it should be up to the states to decide these issues for themselves. Since then, John Ashcroft (his unelected appointee) has gone beyond the pale in raiding hospices and legal mmj providers in California, Oregon and Washington.

I also remember his promise to turn US foreign policy away from nation building. What are we doing in Iraq right now?

Just like any of them, Büsh will say anything to get elected. Ignore what they say. Watch what they do!

Bush has the moral beliefs I do.

Don, I would never say that of you.

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--Ralph Waldo Emerson

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[Anonymous]

So Don, does this mean that you believe in lying?  Does this mean that you think it is ok send american jobs off shore.  How about having a VP whose former "employer" was just convicted of fraud? That ok?  Bilking the american tax payer out of billions of dollars to let Haliburton and friends get govt contracts with out having to submit bids.  How about squandering billions of dollars and putting us into a deficit.  You call that fiscal conservativeness?   Don, how about the privatization of traditional govt services.   You think that is ok.  Bottom line is profits?  That is not how govt should work.  Profit does not equal level of service, which is what a govt employee should be targeting his day toward.  Serving the public; not serving the stockholders at the expense of the public.  Don't have enough time to list all of the Bush "values".  I know where the neo-cons stand, that is why I'm voting Dem.

[teachback]

I wonder what the statistic (or general concensus, lol) is on the number of registered 'pubs that are voting Dem this year...?

[Antigen]

I hear a lot from dyed in the wool repubs talking about voting Constitution party or Libertarian. I think, this time around, it's the Repubs who really have to worry about spoilers.

You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot
easier.
--GW Büsh, Governor of Texas. Governing Magazine, 7/98

[smack]

Bush doesn't have any values. if he was christian he wouldn't allow so many people to be without, He wants tax breaks for himself and his friends, he could care less about what industry makes him money, whether war, straight or whatever. His certainty on the war shows his stupidity, learning from your mistakes is not flipflopping, it's smart.

[Anonymous]

someone posted somewhere that Kerry and Bush are related in family?

[Anonymous]

I agree with the Antigen.  I am a dyed in the wool democrat that agrees with a lot of Libertarian beliefs.   I think it is easy to see value in both parties.   Even a true conservative Republican (not a neo-con, ie the VP), have beliefs that I can agree with, albeit not many.

[thepatriot]

The sad thing about a Dem right now, which are not the same dems from 1960's era. In that I mean people like my grandfather who was a staunch democrat would roll over in his grave to see where this party is now. But your current demmies will never admit that Kerry is full of shit and their party let them down by giving them him as their "Guy" in 2004. I'll say it agian this is the best they could do after 4 years. If they came up with somebody of substance and charectar they would have a lot of conservitives changing up. Whole lotta people on here bitch about Cheney and Haliburton etc. What makes you think Kerry is any different? look at his back ground. He doesn't stand for you me or anybody but himself. His only concern is getting to the white house and to think that he will actually change anything is laughable at best. He kept saying in the debates that he would have went to the UN over the whoile Iraq and Afgahnistan deal. Well I don't know about you but I don't want some spineless used car salesman that was raised with a silver spoon in his mouth asking permission of a bunch of fucking dictators to protect our country. Face it guys the democrats picked somebody that is no better than the current administration we have in office now. Who's next ? Hillary? now that would be a even bigger fucking joke.

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