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Offline Deborah

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« on: September 30, 2004, 04:23:00 PM »
Hey Kiwi, Others,
Any idea what happened to the thread on Brat Camp at Sociopranos? The link hasn't worked for a few days.
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Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2004, 04:45:00 AM »
It's not just Brat Camp; it's the whole site.  I've known it to be down for lengthy periods before but never this long.
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2004, 04:47:00 AM »
BTW, if this turns out to be permanent, I have the whole thread saved.
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2004, 08:20:00 AM »
Good to hear, because it wasn't cached on Google either. Just the first page of 13.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2004, 12:50:00 PM »
Its back up.
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2004, 01:04:00 AM »
There is not one of these 'disturbed' teens who don't wisen up when faced with no options.

Every one of the parents says it is a 'last resort', I wonder why none of them ever tried a dose of the belt or the cane, it seems it would have been a lot more effective, cheaper and quicker, and probably more humane.
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2004, 04:16:00 PM »
Hey, Anon.

http://nospank.net/

Do us all a favor and educate yourself before you embarass yourself further. Torture only works in the short term and tends to mess people up.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2004, 07:11:00 PM »
If desperation strategies were peachy keen effective, then all the rich of this world would have perfect children who grew into perfect adults with no problems, perfectly competent at life, perfectly coping, perfectly wonderful.

Sure.

Who here *doesn't* know pain in the butt, screw up, dysfunctional, dishonest, obnoxious adults?  It's impossible to *avoid* knowing some.

Sure, they may not be your friends, they may not be the people you voluntarily hang out with, but whether they're your kin, or kin of someone you know, or neighbors of your kin, or your neighbors, or your friends' neighbors---everybody knows obnoxious, screwed up adults.

We've got a man in our neighborhood who drove drunk, crashed his car, and the neighbor lady in his car got her scalp cut open badly and got back injuries--and now he wants to blame her and says she's not *really* hurt.

We've got a family in our neighborhood a few streets over that has been making death threats to their neighbors, their mother slapped the heck out of another parent's kid for no good reason, and their life is basically a soap opera.

They're not teenagers with their hormones wonky.  They don't even have the excuse of having the immature judgment of youth.  They're just adults who are sometimes really obnoxious and really screwed up.

And we don't live in a terribly cheap neighborhood.

There are *always* pain in the butt obnoxious people, and shipping them off to some damned behavior mod boot camp does NOT fix them.

My god, if these places really worked, you'd have every state in the country lined up to hire the Litchfields to run the state prison system and "fix" all the violent felons.

You'd have every state mental hospital hiring the Litchfields to "cure" all the chronic mental patients.

You might as well send a kid to an RTC for Lymphoma or T-cell Leukemia as to send a kid to a behavior mod boot camp for having a major mental illness or just being an obnoxious asshole.  You've got about an equal chance of curing any of the four.

Behavior modification boot camps are the patent medicine shows of the 21st century.

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2004, 05:56:00 PM »
I think that sending them off to Utah was maybe to give them a chance because they are still classed as kids, not yet adults in the hope that on leaving Utah they would realise that they had choices in their lives. Now they could leave and continue to be Brats or mature and move forward. Maybe they all needed time away from their enviroment to be able to re-evaluate their lives.
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2004, 01:33:00 AM »
Why do people STILL say its just "thinking" and "re-evaluating their lives". Its freaking torture nomatter how you slice it.

I guess when saddam tortured his captives they were just re-evaluating whether or not they wanted to follow his leadership.

I guess rape victims are re-evaluating saying "no" during the rape...
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2004, 06:44:00 PM »
Do you believe it was really torture? don't you think it gave them time away from their every day to day problems, OK so they had to hike long and hard, didn't look luxurious but they didn't look starved either, just angry and bewildered. Perhaps it crossed their minds why they were there! Don't supose any of them had ever hiked before, wish I'd had that opportunity a few years ago look at the experience they've all had.
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2004, 07:15:00 PM »
Slave driving, forced marches are not necessary and inherently abusive. Wilderness programs could provide teens with a very valuable and lasting life experience if they knew what they were doing.
They don't know how to make real connections with  the teens so they have to resort to torture, punishment, isolation, and too often, neglect.

As the programs are implemented, the teen is at risk of developing a negative assoication with nature, rather than a positive one.

You are of the barbarian (terrorists) ilk. When will you all let go of your obsessive need to 'punish' teens who are confused, angry, sad, bewildered, or otherwise not at peace?

Your attitude is repulsive. Unfortunately there are no programs for ignorant, terroristic adults.
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2004, 08:00:00 PM »
Both of you make zero sense.

There is no epiphany to behave good if you're forced to suffer. Torture doesn't make someone better, but it can terrorize them into obedience.

However the problem underneith it all is still there, if there actually was one to begin with.

How is it that "slave driving" and forced marches are not inherently abusive, but somehow its some "valuable" and "lasting" "life experience"? How the hell could forced physical labor have any QUANTIFIED, SUBSTANTIAL effect on someone's mental health or their behavior?

It doesn't. They just hate the whole kidnapping/loss of freedom/shitty living conditions for weeks on end thing so bad they conform so they don't go back, or they're broken and totally obedient.

And this "removed from day to day problems" bit is total bullcrap. If they were in a pleasant situation and got real therapy maybe they would, but all you did is give them a new set of problems, and a situation where if they don't agree with the program and play along they think they'll be stuck out in the woods forever.
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2004, 08:09:00 PM »
Read it carefully. It says:
Slave driving, forced marches are not necessary and inherently abusive.

I am in total agreement with you.
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2004, 08:34:00 PM »
Hey folks,  I hope those of you who saw the media coverage on Woodside Trails in Texas are informed enough to know that the media doesn't tell you the whole story...or even necessarily the truth.

Woodside Trails is not a abusive/neglectful facility.  I worked there for five years.  The media completely blew the thing out of proportion.  Of course, the media snuck onto the camp's property with the State Comptroller and told the story that the politician wanted them to cover.  

It's really too bad, whatever your beliefs may be about Wilderness camping as an effective treatment (or not) I can say that I experienced how powerful it can be.  I saw horribly abused and neglected children, mostly juvenile sex offenders truly change their lives because of the work they did at Woodside Trails.  Now, 48 boys are bouncing around emergency shelters and looking for placements because one politician decided to make a story, and take the media with her.  Woodside saved kids lives...and took it very seriously.  The public will never know the truth now, because the media is in the politicians' pocket, and I can't get anyone to listen.  What horrible injustice!

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