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« on: September 28, 2004, 10:51:00 PM »
Are people going bucking fananas or what? This is taking 'consequences' a little far. Right up there with the teacher who duct taped a kids mouth shut.

Teacher on Paid Administrative Leave After Sending First-Grader Home With Feces in Backpack

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DALLAS Sept. 25, 2004 ? A teacher is on paid administrative leave after sending a first-grader home with feces in his backpack because the boy soiled the classroom floor.

The teacher apparently was frustrated with the 6-year-old student's actions so she wrapped up the waste and sent it home with the boy Tuesday along with a note, Dallas school district spokesman Donald Claxton said.

Claxton declined to identify the teacher at Gabe P. Allen Elementary School.

"It generally appears the teacher was trying to help raise awareness with the family," Claxton said. "It's just an unfortunate incident. Unfortunately, she took this course of action."

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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2005, 11:02:00 PM »
Good training? Or Intent to Provoke?

De-escalation? I personally didn't see any de-escaltion, as I understand it.

Unfortunate that the police are taking all the heat, it should be shared.
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Video shows police handcuffing 5-year-old
The girl's teacher videotaped her class that day as a self-improvement exercise. An attorney calls the arrest "absurd" and "excessive."
By THOMAS C. TOBIN, Times Staff Writer
Published April 22, 2005
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View video of assistant principal's office, arrival of police
Related story: Violence starting at earlier age (March 18)
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ST. PETERSBURG - Videotape was rolling March 14 when the 5-year-old girl swung again and again, her bantam punches landing on the outstretched palms of Nicole Dibenedetto, the new assistant principal at Fairmount Park Elementary.

She tore papers off Dibenedetto's bulletin board and desk. She climbed on a table four times. About an hour had passed since she refused to participate in a kindergarten math lesson, which escalated into a series of defiant and destructive acts.

Dibenedetto had used tactics from a Pinellas school district training called Crisis Prevention Intervention:

Let the child know her actions have consequences but also try to "de-escalate."

Give her opportunities to end the conflict.

Try not to touch her, defend yourself and make sure no one else gets hurt.

As St. Petersburg police officers arrived shortly after 3 p.m., the girl suddenly sat quietly at Dibenedetto's table. And, just as suddenly, the tactics used by educators gave way to the more direct approach of law enforcement.

An officer sternly said the girl's name. Then: "You need to calm down. You need to do it now. OK?"

Seconds later, three officers approached and placed their hands on the girl's wrists and upper arms. They stood her up, put her arms behind her back and put on handcuffs. She bent over the table and let out a terrified scream.

"No. Nooooo. Ahhhhh."

The tape ends there.

Largo lawyer John Trevena provided it to the St. Petersburg Times this week after obtaining it from police.

"The image itself will be seared into people's minds when you have three police officers bending a child over a table and forcibly handcuffing her," said Trevena, who represents the girl's mother, Inga Akins. "It's incomprehensible ... She was sitting calmly at the table. There was no need for that."

The Police Department declined to comment, citing an official complaint by Akins that has sparked an investigation by the supervisor of the four officers involved. Two are new officers who were being trained that day. Police spokesman Bill Proffitt said the investigation would be complete in about two weeks and the findings would be made public.

The tape's existence is a fluke. The girl's teacher, Christina Ottersbach, was videotaping her class as a self-improvement exercise, district officials have said. Educators simply kept the camera rolling when the girl began to act out, prompting Dibenedetto to intervene and Ottersbach to escort her other students to another classroom.

Later, Ottersbach retrieved the camera from the classroom when the girl began to make a mess of Dibenedetto's office.

The tape, which lasts about 30 minutes, begins with Dibenedetto alone in the classroom with the girl, saying the child's name frequently as part of her commands.

"You need to stop," she tells her, using her hands to make the sign language signal for stop. "You don't get to wreck the room."

Using her radio, she calls for help from teacher Patti Tsaousis. She also asks the school office to call the girl's mother and tell her the school will have to call Pinellas Schools police if the behavior continues.

Word comes back that the mother would not be able to make it until 3:15 p.m. It is shortly after 2 p.m.

A short time later, the girl is heard off camera breaking a ceramic or plastic apple on Ottersbach's desk.

"Oh, you broke her apple," Dibenedetto says. "That is so sad."

Throughout the 23-minute segment in the classroom, the assistant principal tells the girl many times to stop, that her actions are "not acceptable." She tells her she needs to take her to her office to prepare for her mother's arrival.

The girl responds to each request with a curt, "No." When the girl reaches out to strike them at times, Dibenedetto and Tsaousis tell her to stop and hold their hands up in defense.

Dibenedetto and Tsaousis have two breakthroughs - once when they persuade the girl to clean up a small mess she made near Ottersbach's office and another when they finally get her to leave the classroom with them.

In the second instance, Dibenedetto brings herself to eye level with the girl and tries to get her to talk about why she's upset. She gives the girl the option of walking with her or Tsaousis to the office. When the girl relents, the educators praise her for making an "excellent choice."

The Times interviewed several top educators, including two district officials who had seen the video and two professors at the University of South Florida's College of Education.

All praised Dibenedetto for using patience and good training in a tough situation. They said she gave the girl wide latitude to opt for better behavior, used clear commands, called for help from another educator, removed the other students from the room for their safety and to eliminate an audience for the girl, reinforced commands with hand motions and successfully avoided physical confrontation.

Touching the girl, they said, would have escalated the situation.

The two educators "can't control what the children do, but they can control how they respond to it and, to me, they responded admirably," said Robert Egley, an assistant education professor at USF in St. Petersburg. "I give them an A-plus."

Trevena, the lawyer, disagreed, saying it appeared to him the two educators followed the girl too closely around the room. "It almost seemed like there was an intent to provoke the child," he said.

Akins, the girl's mother, said she had complained to the school about the assistant principal's treatment of her daughter. She said the administrator has been too harsh with the girl. The police had been called to the school at least once before in response to the girl's behavior. The girl has since transferred to another public school.

Dibenedetto could not be reached Thursday for comment.

More clear cut, Trevena said, are the police officers' actions and the Police Department's reaction. "It should have been denounced (by department higher-ups) as absurd, as excessive," he said. "That, I think, is even more alarming."

After being placed in the back of a police cruiser, police released the girl to her mother after the State Attorney's Office informed them a 5-year-old would never be prosecuted.

Educators declined to discuss the Police Department's role in the incident. But they all agreed that once police are called to a school, the situation is theirs to run. "I wasn't physically there," said Mike Bessette, an area superintendent whose responsibility includes Fairmount Park Elementary. "I take it they felt they needed to do what they did."

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2005, 12:17:00 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2005, 12:41:00 AM »
Did you watch the video? How could anyone define this as 'good training' and 'de-escalation'. A real problem.... peoples' differing interpretations and implimentation of techniques.
Poor kid. I hope she gets on well at the new school or gets some genuine care and attention before they drug or warehouse her.
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2005, 02:32:00 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2005, 03:59:00 AM »
The little shit maker!
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2005, 07:46:00 PM »
I still remember having my mouth taped shut by my second grade teacher - she also would bang our heads together hard if we talked in class. We lived in terror.   :eek:

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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2005, 11:49:00 PM »
"Manifestation Destiny: The School to Prison Pipeline


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by Attorney Isabel Raskin


Studies have repeatedly shown that children with disabilities, whose needs are unmet or inappropriately addressed by schools, are at risk of falling further behind their peers in class, becoming frustrated, and acting out in inappropriate but entirely foreseeable ways. Current special education law recognizes that schools that do not provide required services for special needs children, cannot expel these students from school for misbehaving, as that would constitute unlawful discrimination against a child for manifesting disability related behaviors. Under this same law, however, schools can arrest these same students, regardless of whether or not their behaviors are a manifestation of the student?s disability. The capacity of schools to use the juvenile justice system to bring charges against students whom they cannot otherwise expel, subverts the purpose of special education laws by allowing schools to avoid accountability for their failure to provide mandated services, and pushes children with disabilities into a criminal justice system that puts their entire future in jeopardy.

In Massachusetts students can be permanently expelled from school for a variety of misbehaviors. 1 While these laws apply to all children in Massachusetts, under the Federal Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) 2 , students with disabilities are entitled to certain additional protections prior to being expelled from school. These additional protections reflect the history and purpose behind the IDEA, to end the appalling discrimination that many special needs children historically experienced, including being barred from attending school, being warehoused with minimal services, and being unilaterally excluded from school for behaviors arising out of their disabilities.

Under the IDEA, prior to special needs students being excluded from school for a disciplinary infraction, a school must hold a TEAM meeting 3 to determine whether the child?s behavior is a manifestation of the child?s disability. Known as a ?Manifestation Determination Meeting?, the focus of the meeting is to determine whether the behavior is a result of the child?s handicapping condition. If the TEAM concludes that the behavior is a manifestation of the child?s disability, then the student cannot be expelled for the behavior and the school is required to provide appropriate assessments, supports and services to the child.

When considering whether behavior is a manifestation of the student?s disability for purposes of expulsion, the determination requires a consideration not only of the student?s ability to conform his behaviors, but just as importantly, a review of whether the school developed an appropriate Individualized Education Plan (IEP) and whether the school has implemented all the services within the IEP to which they agreed. 4 Implicit in this aspect of the review is the recognition that students? behaviors would not occur if these students had received the educational services that schools are mandated to provide. Schools that have not met their obligation to educate special needs students as required are precluded from expelling these same students for the schools? own failures. These protections are particularly crucial to protecting the rights of disabled students in light of a 1999 U.S. Department of Education report finding that since 1991, Massachusetts has not been in compliance with certain IDEA requirements resulting in both delays and non-delivery of services to children with disabilities.5

While schools must consider their own compliance with special education laws when determining whether a child?s misbehavior is a manifestation of the child?s disability for expulsion purposes, unfortunately, no such manifestation review is required before a school can have a student arrested for these same behaviors and charged in juvenile courts. A new section added to the IDEA in 1997 permits schools to arrest students for ?crimes? committed by a child with a disability. 6 While presumably this section was meant to be used for truly criminal acts or to safeguard schools in emergency situations, the reality is that many schools are arresting special needs students for minor school infractions such as talking back to teachers and refusing to leave classrooms. A recent New York Times front page article reported that school based arrests for minor offenses are clogging court dockets and acknowledged that many of these school based arrests involve special education students whose behavior is often related to their disabilities. 7

In Massachusetts, both the administrative Special Education Appeals Bureau (BSEA) which reviews special education matters and the juvenile courts have ruled that they don?t have the jurisdiction over or the authority to dismiss these cases. This has created anomalous situations such as: A special needs student acts out in school by refusing to leave a classroom, yelling and cursing at a teacher. A school based police officer arrests the student and the student is charged in juvenile court with disorderly conduct and disturbing a school assembly. In addition to the criminal proceeding, the school moves to expel the student for the behavior. The TEAM convenes, determines that the student?s IEP has not been properly implemented-the school has not provided necessary services to which it agreed in the IEP. The student?s behavior is deemed to be a manifestation of the student?s disability by the TEAM and the student cannot be expelled from school. The juvenile court however, cannot dismiss the case, and the BSEA does not have the legal authority to see that the case is dismissed. The student is adjudicated delinquent and committed to the Department of Youth Services (DYS). The student is locked up and cannot return to school.

In a final ironic blow, the commitment of special needs children to the Massachusetts Department of Youth Services almost guarantees that they will continue to be denied the very services which could make the greatest difference in their lives and to which they are entitled under the law. In a March 2002 report issued by DYS on education services, DYS admitted that while more than 40% of committed youth had received special education services at some time prior to commitment, DYS has no effective communication with local school districts and little capacity to monitor the delivery of special education services.8

The inability of courts and administrative agencies to dismiss criminal charges brought by schools against disabled children whose needs the school has failed to adequately serve in violation of special education laws and regulations, rewards schools for ignoring or purposely disregarding children?s needs and their mandate to meet those needs. Schools need to be held accountable and should not be allowed to use juvenile courts to unilaterally exclude and punish children for precisely those foreseeable behaviors caused by their own failures. Inviting courts to step in effectively provides an incentive to schools to abrogate their responsibility, criminalize disabled children, and continues to insure that disabled children will be denied the services they require to have a successful future.

1. Massachusetts General Laws c. 71 secs. 37H and 37H ½.
2. 20 United States Code (U.S.C.) sec. 1400 et. seq.
3. A ?TEAM? is composed of a child?s parent/s, at least one of the child?s general education teachers, at least of the child?s special education teachers, a school representative who is knowledgeable about the general curriculum, and school system resources, and is qualified to provide or supervise specially designed instruction to meet the needs of children with disabilities, an individual who is qualified to interpret evaluation results, other individuals who have knowledge or expertise about the child and when appropriate, the child. 34 C.F.R. sec. 300.344; 20 U.S.C. sec. 1415 (k)(4)(B).
4. The IDEA sets forth extensive procedures for schools to follow in identifying and determining the special education and related services to which eligible students are entitled. This includes detailed procedures for developing Individual Education Plans (IEPs). The Supreme Court has ruled that school compliance with these procedures is an essential part of providing a free appropriate public education for special needs students. (See, Center for Law and Education, Quality Education for Children with Disabilities: Topic Briefs for Parents and Their Advocates #6).
5. U.S. Department of Education?s Office of Special Education Programs (OSEP) Monitoring Report of Massachusetts Special Education. 1999.
6. 20 U.S.C. secs. 1415(k)(9)(A) and (9)(B).
7. The New York Times, ?Some Unruly Students Now Face Arrest, Not Detention?, Sunday January 4, 2004, p.1.
8. Delivering Effective Education to Youth: A Report on Education Services in the Massachusetts Department of Youth Services; A Report to the Massachusetts House and Senate Ways and Means. March 19, 2002."

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Every child has a federal guarantee to a "free and appropriate public education", even if they have a disability -- emotional, learning, or otherwise.  Most of the kids in detention [check the numbers]have either a specific learning disability, major depression, bi-polar disorder, or are suffering trauma from some victimization.  Intervention is possible and cheaper early in school compared to the cost of detention centers or specialtiy schools for the better off later on.  And yet our schools, which we pay taxes to support, ignore and mistreat these children when they could most easily be reached.  I believe children with mental disorders are particularly discriminated against in the schools.  They are protected by Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 & The Americans With Disabilities Act.  It's a civil rights issue. While the schools have a duty to exercise "child find" in regard to children with disabilities in their district, they most often exercise CHILD IGNORE when it comes to a child with ADHD or any psychobiological disorder such as Bi-polar Disorder.  WHERE DO WE WANT TO SPEND OUR MONEY?
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2005, 06:28:00 PM »
In the old days, we were paddled with ping pong paddles, smacked on our hands with rulers, spanked with the infamous "switch", and whacked with hairbrushes when we misbehaved. Somehow, we all turned out fine. Maybe the old "spare the rod, spoil the child" isnt so off course after all. From what I have seen, the kids these days are spoiled brats. I am not condoning abuse, but maybe the threat of time-out isn't enough. Maybe real consequences are what is needed.
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2005, 09:13:00 PM »
Back up your assertions with some facts instead of those 'good ole days' half-nostalgia, half-poorly masked hatred. Furthermore, "we all turned out fine"  doesnt mean that was done was the best choice of action to take! AND, theres still no definitive proof kids are worse now - however, apparently crime among teens has been on the decline for TEN YEARS!

What are "real consequences"? How is inflicting pain  (torture) going to fix the behavior? Whats the underlying cause of the behavior and acting out, hrm? Sure, its a deterrant - but what you forget is deterrants make people want to avoid the deterrant, not want to act good. I can say that a very intimate friend of mine became sneaky and stopped sharing with her parents after getting belted. Her mom bitches that she doesnt share anything and is sneaky a lot.. she simply says she was made that way.

You have to think about the "consequences" of YOUR suggestions, too. It works both ways. But I degress, nospank.net would be a better resource. Plus, they have statistics showing that misbehavior on individual levels and rates over populations goes up when spanking is introduced. So yeah, are there side-effects of torturing someone with pain and humiliation? You betcha.

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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2005, 09:23:00 PM »
I have five children. Three are older - two younger. The first three were disciplined with spanking and the last two none.  The younger two are sweet, loving, respectful, obedient. The three older children are more rebellious and disobedient.  GO FIGURE....... I think it's the other way around. If you treat a child with respect and love and give them security they will respect and love back.  That's my experience anyway.  NEVER SPANK - Words are all that are necessary.    :wave:
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2005, 09:26:00 PM »
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"In the old days, we were paddled with ping pong paddles, smacked on our hands with rulers, spanked with the infamous "switch", and whacked with hairbrushes when we misbehaved. Somehow, we all turned out fine. Maybe the old "spare the rod, spoil the child" isnt so off course after all. From what I have seen, the kids these days are spoiled brats. I am not condoning abuse, but maybe the threat of time-out isn't enough. Maybe real consequences are what is needed. "


In the here and now, our rogue government has been dropping bombs and chemical weapons on half the non-stop for decades. Our prison population is exploding. Our water is poisoned. Our children have no jobs or futures to look forward to. Parents call police and ask them to arrest their kids over trivial, stupid family squabbles and they cheerully, smugly oblige. Same w/ anonymous snitch hotlines. Neighbor piss you off? Call 1-800-BEA-SNITCH and get `em back! Litteracy rates are dropping steadily. And no one seems to care.

All due respect, I think your generation is pretty fucked up!

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2005, 08:59:00 AM »
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"I have five children. Three are older - two younger. The first three were disciplined with spanking and the last two none.  The younger two are sweet, loving, respectful, obedient. The three older children are more rebellious and disobedient.  GO FIGURE....... I think it's the other way around. If you treat a child with respect and love and give them security they will respect and love back.  That's my experience anyway.  NEVER SPANK - Words are all that are necessary.    :wave: "


My mom was an old fashioned country girl who was switched a lot and she felt it her moral duty to switch and belt my sister and I.  She was given the opportunity to raise my sister's son and both she and my dad chose not to spank, belt or switch.  He turned out fine--actually, more self-confident and less tormented by perfectionism and self-doubt. He's a fine young man, and a major loving, giving fellow to his family. He is honest and not afraid to take risks when trying new things or furthering his career.  The time my sister and I wasted in teen rebellion, depression, and being afraid to explore the world, he spent doing wonderful, creative, prosocial, self-initiated projects.  On her dying bed my mom apologized to me and said, traditional as she was, she was wrong the first time around. Some traditional peoples of other cultures would never dream of striking a child.
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2005, 03:05:00 PM »
I saw the tape on the news also. The thing that  struck me was that the school superintendent in an interview said they contacted the girls Mother long before the police showed up and she said she wasn't available to come to the school right then. So basically the school was left to handle the problem. Personally I don't think she should now be "available" to sue the school system if she wasn't even willing to come get her daughter when called. The Mother stated there was an ongoing problem with the vice principal so why would she not come get her child when contacted? Why wait until now to switch schools? I have a feeling Mom wasn't so concerned until the press and the possibility of a lawsuit became involved.
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2005, 03:34:00 PM »
But they sent her home with CRAP in her backpack.  CRAP.  Sent home.  In her back pack.  CRAP.
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