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Offline Cayo Hueso

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« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2004, 08:00:00 PM »
that one was me :wave:

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« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2004, 08:30:00 PM »
"because she knew what was in her best interest"
has anyone ever heard that before!  
damn, dont any of you people have an ORIGINAL fucking thought?  what was in her best interest!  perhaps they discussed, at school, what was in her best interest, b/f she came home.  ok, you have your perception and reality, but i'm not eatin what you're cookin.  sounds like a shit pie to me.
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« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2004, 08:35:00 PM »
hands crossed over her chest, handcuffed behind her, duct tapped mouth.  sounds like a recipe for axshysication. sounds like torture and dangerously close to murder.   take a look at the death by restrain database.  PLENTY of people in residential facilities die that way, all the time, year after year, there was one kid, 16, here in michigan last month.  poor hannah, and all the rest.  know they cant talk.  its going a movement.  however long it takes.  we will move it forward, inch by inch and this will be stopped.
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« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2004, 08:56:00 PM »
P.S. Hannah was one of the students who moved to Carolina Springs from Dundee Academy in Costa Rica. When Dundee closed, our first priority was to get Hannah home. So we got to visit with Hannah for two days before she moved on to Carolina Springs. We were blunt, we shared the rumors of abuse and negligence we had heard in Costa Rica, and we let Hannah read the newspaper reports. Hannah assured us in her own words. "None of that happened" she told us. "It's really hard" she said, "and I miss my family, but I know that I am learning some very valuable things." Hannah had only been in Dundee ranch for a few months, and was still a level one with the fewest privileges and perks allowed. If anyone were to be negative about the school it would have been her. However after being in Dundee Ranch Hannah made the choice to go to Carolina Springs, because she knew it was in her best interest!!............ Its the same over and over amberly and the Brock twins all said they didn?t actually see abuse even though they first tried to put forth that argument and kid after kid has affirmed this was the case...Could Occam?s Razor be at work here (the principle that states the simplest solution in absence of other evidence is usually the truth) and we have a simple case of false allegations purported by vested interest and dubious persons that disrupted over 200 families and destroyed the lives of over 95 more? Truth is always independent of opinions.  It is the knowledge of things as they are and were and how they are yet to be I was there and have over 100 other witnesses to the fact that abuse didn?t exist Now if there was in any form I wasn?t honestly aware and if in fact it did exist I would say let due process have its way and if a staff did something like that let them go after that person. I saw the training that went on every night where the staff would be quizzed and even sign off on the training that insured that abuse was not allowed in any form?. if some staff did something different they did so without the authorization or knowledge of the administration and if so I would be the first to say go after them but quit condemning a whole facility for the unauthorized ?theoretical  actions of some staff who chose to not follow the ethics and codes of the company and the law??Again whoa unto them with eyes but will not see...I have included the following directly from my employee manual at  Dundee that we were tested on nightly and therefore knew  very well what the standards of the company was.  I never was aware of any such violations that I personally witnessed in my 2 years there I even recall a meeting that Mr. Lichfield held with all staff and students in the cafeteria following the Brock twins accusations. Mr. Lichfield told the students that if they were being mistreated in any way to let the administration know immediately. He explained again the only circumstances directly from the testing that passive restraint could be used. He also told the Staff and students the administration would have a full investigation on any allegations of this and would not protect any staff that broke the company rules and if a staff ignored the training and chose on their own to do something else he would turn them in if they broke the law in regards to Abusing any student?

Personal Growth of Students:
Staffs are not allowed to treat students in the following manner:
1.   Swearing at them
2.   Making fun of them
3.   Name calling or using nicknames
4.   Belittling or demeaning them
5.   Shouting at them
6.   Refer to them in a derogatory manner
7.   Using physical force other than for appropriate restraint according to training as taught in the Mandt or TLC      trainings and only in cases of endangerment by students of property, themselves, staff or others.
8.   Orders or commands should be replaced with request or invitations to cooperate.
9.   Threats or intimidation

EMPLOYEE CODE OF CONDUCT

Definitions:
For the purposes of this rule:

1.   Abuse to students will include but is not limited to:
A.   A strike with open or closed fist, slap, tap, spank, kick, push, shove.
B.   Any type of physical hitting or any type of physical punishment inflicted in any manner upon the body.
C.   Physical exercises, such as running laps or performing push-up, except in accordance with an individual's service plan when such activities are approved by the physician and carefully supervised by the facility administration.
D.   Requiring or forcing the individual to take an uncomfortable position, such as squatting or bending, or requiring or forcing the individual to repeat physical movements when used solely as a means of punishment.
E.   Chemical, mechanical or physical restraints except when authorized by individual's Personal Growth plan and administered by appropriate personnel or when threat of injury to the client or other persons exists.
F.   Assignment of unduly physically strenuous or harsh work.
G.   Encouragement to engage in or failure to attempt to deter behavior inherently dangerous.

2.    Maltreatment will include, but is not limited to:
A.   Group punishments for misbehavior of individuals except in accordance with the program's written policy.
B.   Verbal abuse; using language that impacts the well being of the individual.  This may include but is not limited to name-calling, teasing, humiliation, ridicule, use of foul and abusive language etc.
C.   Withholding any meal.
D.   Excessive denial of ongoing program services or denial of any essential program service solely for disciplinary purposes.
E.   Denial of visiting or communication privileges with family or significant others solely for disciplinary purposes.
F.   Denial of sufficient sleep.
G.   Requiring the individual to remain silent for long periods of time.
H.   Denial of shelter, clothing or bedding.
I.   Extensive withholding of emotional response or stimulation.
J.   Exclusion of the individual from entry to the residence.
K.   Failure to provide adequate supervision; including impairment of employee resulting in inadequate supervision.  Impairment of an employee may include but is not limited to use of alcohol and drugs, illness, sleeping.
L.   Failure to provide medical care and/or medical Personal Growth as prescribed or instructed by a physician.

 
3.    Sexual abuse and sexual exploitation will include, but not be limited to:
A.   Engaging in sexual intercourse with any student.
B.   Touching the anus or any part of the genitals or otherwise taking indecent liberties, or causing an individual to take indecent liberties with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person.
C.   Employing, using, persuading, inducing, enticing or coercing an individual to pose in the nude for the purpose of sexual arousal of any person or for profit.
D.   Employing, using, persuading, inducing, enticing or coercing an individual to engage in any sexual or simulated sexual conduct for the purpose of photographing, filming, recording, or displaying in any way the sexual or simulated sexual conduct and includes displaying, distributing, possessing for the purpose of distribution, or selling material depicting nudity, or engaging in sexual or simulated sexual conduct.
E.   Committing or attempting to commit acts of sodomy or molestation.

4.   Exploitation will include, but is no limited to:
A.   Utilizing the labor or power of an individual without giving just or equivalent return.
B.   Taking or using property belonging to clients.
C.   Selling items to clients.
D.   Acceptance of gifts as a condition of receipt of program services.

Abuse, Neglect and Maltreatment Prohibited
1.   No contracted individual, agency, or employee shall abuse or neglect any student.
A.   No person shall cause physical injury to any student.  All injury to clients (explained or unexplained) shall be documented and immediately reported to supervisory personnel.
B.   Any person having reason to believe that any student has been subject to abuse shall immediately make a report to the Administrator.
C.   No person by acting, failing to act, encouragement to engage in, or failure to deter from will cause any individual to be subject to maltreatment physically, emotionally, socially, or intellectually.
D.   Any person having reason to believe that any student has been subject to such maltreatment shall document the situation and immediately make a report to the Administrator.

Sexual Abuse and Sexual Exploitation Prohibited
1.   No contracted individual, agency, or employee shall sexually abuse or sexually exploit any student.
A.   No person shall engage any individual as an observer or student in sexual acts.
B.   Any person having reason to be believe that any student has been subjected to sexual abuse or exploitation shall document the situation and immediately make a report to the Administrator.

 
Student Exploitation Prohibited
1.   No contracted individual, agency, or employee shall exploit any student.
A.   No person shall make unjust or improper use of an individual or their resources for profit of advantage.
B.   Any person having reason to be believed that any client has been subject to exploitation shall document the situation and immediately make a report to the Administrator.

Reporting Requirements
1.   Any contracted individual, agency, or employee is responsible to document and report abuse, neglect, maltreatment and exploitation as outlined in this Code and cooperate fully in any resulting investigation.
A.   Any person will immediately report abuse, neglect, maltreatment or exploitation, in writing, to the Administrator.   During weekends and on holidays such reports will be made to the District Office of Community Operations On-Call worker.
B.   All reports and documentation made regarding situations of abuse, neglect, and exploitation will be made available upon request to the Administrator.

2.    Any person, including, but not limited to, any social worker, physician, psychologist, chaperone, teacher, or employee, who has a reason to believe that any person has been subject to abuse, neglect, or exploitation, shall immediately notify in writing to the Administrator.

3.   Anyone who, in good faith, makes such a report shall be immune from civil liability in connection with the report.

4.   Any person required to report a suspected case of abuse, neglect, or exploitation, who willfully fails to do so, is guilty of a class B misdemeanor.

5.   Any person, who abuses, neglects, or exploits, is guilty of a third degree felony.
With any violations of these, the student has a right to file a grievance and disciplinary action would occur where appropriate.
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Offline Christopher Riner

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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2004, 10:31:00 PM »
My name is Christopher Riner, and I attended Dundee -- I started there and graduated there.  As much as I would like to start raising hell and looking for government compensation checks for being a P.O.W. or something, I know it isn't going to happen, and so I have never even thought about making any false allegations about Dundee.  I spent 16 months inside the walls of Dundee, and I would be more than happy to tell you about everything that went on.  If you think that we were handcuffed and duct-taped, then you have obviously been reading one too many Dean Koontz novels.  First of all, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to acknowledge the fact that you should hesitate to trust anything any of us from the program have said.  We all have thousands of hours of experience lying.  Having that said, I suggest you take a look at underlying intentions before you ingest and believe what we are all saying-- because we all aren't saying the same thing, and this is a direct result of the fact that we all have a different purpose in portraying Dundee.  From my own experience (this includes 16 months of being with the other kids), every single allegation of abuse that I have seen made has been from someone that probably would have peed in my closet while I was there if they saw me looking at them the wrong way.  Every student at the school came as a habitual liar, and many of us left as liars, still.  There was physical restraint, but if you honestly believe that someone was duct-taped and handcuffed like that, then you should be reading the Weekly World News.  I hear they found Osama and Saddam's gay videos...  And if you believe that those of us who aren't saying anything about abuse (or who are denying it) are being quiet because we are afraid of something, then you have definitely lost your mind.  Kids of the program are (and this is really true even before we go) some of the most free-willed, opinionated people that you will meet-- and the most committed, too.  We speak what is on our mind, and care little for what others think.  The only reason we wouldn't tell the truth is for some type of benefit.  I will guarantee you one thing:  I bet there hasn't been a single report of abuse from anyone who is 18 now, because they don't have to lie and say that it happens to not go back.  And they wouldn't want to not go back because of fear of abuse, they would not want to go back because they wouldn't want to leave their homes again.  If you have any questions you can email me at allhailslipknot@hotmail.com
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Offline Christopher Riner

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« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2004, 10:36:00 PM »
Hello there, warrior princess.  My name is Christopher Riner, and I am not sure if you are a parent of a child who was in the program, or if you simply have a fervent desire to help out all of the victims in the situation, but if you do have kids that attended Dundee and know who I am, I would really like to talk to them.  If you disapprove of this or would simply like to talk to me yourself, then please email me at allhailslipknot@hotmail.com  Thanks a bunch.
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« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2004, 10:51:00 PM »
Christopher, has your email address changed?
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Offline Christopher Riner

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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2004, 02:05:00 AM »
Anyone can reach me at either of the following email addresses:  christopher_f_riner@hotmail.com.  I am usually in my apartment after 4:30 p.m. daily.  I look forward to speaking with you.
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« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2004, 07:29:00 AM »
A man says he's a liar, then he says that all program kids are liars, is he lying?

No, I don't so much think you're lying as brainwashed.  Brainwashed into thinking and saying all program kids are liars, brainwashed into thinking physical restraints are harmless and normal , among other things.

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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2004, 12:21:00 PM »
Brainwashed?  So let me get this straight, do you think that they "brainwashed" me into "forgetting all the abuse"?!?!  You apparently didn't listen on my post when I stated that program kids say what they want to.  I have almost been out for as long as I was in there, and so you'd think that the chemicals they used to brain wash me would have worn off by now.  Dundee is a past chapter in my life; the only reason I respond to these damned things is because you people choose to be so damn ignorant.  I'm telling you, you'd all make great candidates for weekly world news customers.  As far as brainwashed goes-- we have two ways to look at things in life- positively or negatively.  6 months before I went to the program my brother got in a car wreck and my best friend was in the vehicle and died.  He was the closest person that I had ever lost.  Being in the program, I realized that sometimes life deals you a shitty hand, and you have to work with it.  Those of us who actually tried to help ourselves out when we were in the program realized that we could make dundee whatever we wanted it to be:  good or bad.  For me it was all a big adventure.  For some kids it was hell, and that's because they decided to feel that way about it-- not because they were abused.  Dundee was the toughest episode of my life by far, but because of it I went from being a school drop-out to majoring in engineering at virginia tech with a 3.8.  It gave me a chance to get off of drugs.  A CHANCE.  It was totally up to me whether or not I did anything when I got back- thats why they don't guarantee anything.  If they really could brainwash us, then maybe there would be some gurantees; but we have free wills about deciding what we do, just as well as we have them about deciding what we say.  You can't stop me from saying something that I want to.  It makes me sick that you ignorant people actually believe that you are fighting for some type of just cause here.
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