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« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2004, 01:01:00 AM »
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"http://www.thesource4parents.com./pdf/2004/Jan_05L.pdf



Please look at this and Please tell me where it looks or sounds like these kids are in a cult. "


That's marketing produced by and for them.  OF COURSE it's going to look wonderful.  

I can't believe I actually had to spell that out. :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
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« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2004, 11:30:00 AM »
Timoclea - Scientology a cult?  Are you saying that John Travolta and Tom Cruise, among other very successful people, are members of a mind controlling cult? Let the results of their choice in spiritual growth speak for itself.
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« Reply #77 on: December 21, 2004, 11:33:00 AM »
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On 2004-12-20 18:06:00, Anonymous wrote:


"http://www.thesource4parents.com./pdf/2004/Jan_05L.pdf





Please look at this and Please tell me where it looks or sounds like these kids are in a cult. "




That's marketing produced by and for them.  OF COURSE it's going to look wonderful.  



I can't believe I actually had to spell that out. :roll:  :roll:  :roll: "


Spell what out?  You didn't answer the question. Please state where in their "marketing" it looks like brainwashing or being in a cult.
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« Reply #78 on: December 21, 2004, 11:43:00 AM »
Silly person,

Of course their "marketing" doesnt spell out the fact you get inducted into thier cult. It comes into play within the mandated seminars parents are required to attend.

It does'nt get much more cultish. Cult members(you) wouldnt see it as such because you are too far into deep cult beliefs (save my child's life etc.)  

I challenge you to ask an unbiased observer.It may be enlightening for you.
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« Reply #79 on: December 21, 2004, 11:47:00 AM »
You can't really be this dense.  Their marketing tools wouldn't contain anything that came close to appearing like brainwashing or a cult.  That wouldn't be good for business now, would it? :roll:  :roll:  :roll: Do you understand how advertising and marketing work?  You find the tactics when you look beyond[/b] the polished material that is intended to shine the best possible light on themselves.
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« Reply #80 on: December 21, 2004, 11:48:00 AM »
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« Reply #81 on: December 21, 2004, 12:18:00 PM »
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"Timoclea - Scientology a cult?  Are you saying that John Travolta and Tom Cruise, among other very successful people, are members of a mind controlling cult? Let the results of their choice in spiritual growth speak for itself.  "


YES, THEY SURE ARE.
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« Reply #82 on: December 21, 2004, 01:25:00 PM »
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"Let the results of their choice in spiritual growth speak for itself."



They were successful before they joined.  The cult cannot take credit for that.

Cults do target people who they think can promote their cause - such as celebrities.
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« Reply #83 on: December 21, 2004, 01:38:00 PM »
http://www.rickross.com/reference/scien ... ies32.html

Will Scientology Celebs Sign 'Spiritual' Contract?
Fox News/September 3, 2003
By Roger Friedman
Tom Cruise claims to have been dyslexic before he was saved by Scientology.

Let's hope that he can read the fine print in a new agreement the religious organization is demanding its members sign.

The contract - called the "Agreement and General Release Regarding Spiritual Assistance" - makes it clear that the signee does not believe in psychiatry and does not want to be treated for any kind of psychiatric ailment should one befall him.

Instead, once the paper is signed, the agreement calls for the Church of Scientology to step in if there's ever a problem. The result would be total isolation and constant surveillance.

The question is: Will the stars upon whom Scientology has depended to carry its message - including Cruise, John Travolta and Kelly Preston, Lisa Marie Presley and her mother, Priscilla - sign a new agreement that could potentially hand over their rights and personal freedom to the church?

The wording of the agreement is shocking, to say the least. If a member of the church becomes what we might call "mentally incompetent," he automatically agrees to be placed in the care of Scientology counselors, potentially barring family, friends or anyone else from interceding, including doctors and psychiatrists.

The new agreement seems to stem from a long-simmering wrongful-death lawsuit brought by the estate of Lisa McPherson against the Church of Scientology.

It alleges that McPherson died in 1995 after being held against her will by the church for 17 days. When she died, it is claimed, her body was covered with cockroach bites and McPherson was dehydrated.

By having members sign the contact agreeing to be isolated from family and medical professionals, the church apparently believes it would be immune to such lawsuits. The lawsuit, which has suffered several postponements, may come to trial in 2004.

Outspoken critics of Scientology - such as Carnegie Mellon professor Dave Touretzky, who uncovered the new agreement - claim the form is designed to protect the church from further litigation.

But will Cruise, Travolta, and others agree to the same wording that non-celebrity followers must in allowing themselves to endure something called the "Introspection Rundown?"

Calls to their spokespeople didn't help very much. Travolta and the Presleys' publicist referred my question back to the Church of Scientology. Cruise's office didn't have an answer.

An assistant in the Scientology office did tell me that she was a member of the church and had signed many different contracts.

The Spiritual Assistance agreement reads in part: "I understand that the Introspection Rundown is an intensive, rigorous Religious Service that includes being isolated from all sources of potential spiritual upset, including but not limited to family members, friends or others with whom I might normally interact."

"As part of the Introspection Rundown, I specifically consent to Church members being with me 24 hours a day at the direction of my Case Supervisor, in accordance with the tenets and custom of the Scientology religion. The Case Supervisor will determine the time period in which I will remain isolated, according to the beliefs and practices of the Scientology religion."

"I further specifically acknowledge that the duration of any such isolation is uncertain, determined only by my spiritual condition, but that such duration will be completely at the discretion of the Case Supervisor. I also specifically consent to the presence of Church members around the clock for whatever length of time is necessary to perform the Introspection Rundown's processes and to achieve the spiritual results of the Introspection Rundown."

(Any isolation, of course, would be preferable to watching Travolta in "Look Who's Talking.")

What does this all mean?

Linda Hight, spokeswoman for Scientology, told me last night that the contract is self-explanatory.

"I'm sure you know the English language," she said, "and you know what it means."

She described psychiatry as "barbaric, harmful, and fraudulent."

"The contract is drawn up," Hight added, "for those who wish [to use it]."
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« Reply #84 on: December 21, 2004, 01:46:00 PM »
DEATH OF A SCIENTOLOGIST

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Doctor in Lisa McPherson case suspended
David I. Minkoff loses his license for one year for improperly prescribing drugs for the Scientologist.

St. Petersburg Times/August 4, 2001
By Thomas C. Tobin and Alisa Ulferts
Tallahassee -- Florida's Board of Medicine has sternly sanctioned Clearwater physician David I. Minkoff, finding he improperly prescribed medicine for a patient he had never seen -- Scientologist Lisa McPherson.

Minkoff, also a Scientologist, prescribed Valium and the muscle relaxant chloral hydrate at the behest of unlicensed Church of Scientology staffers who were trying to nurse McPherson, 36, through a severe mental breakdown. When they failed after 17 days of isolating her, Minkoff was recruited again. This time, he pronounced McPherson dead.

For his role in the 1995 episode that Minkoff himself calls a "fiasco," the 53-year-old doctor will lose his medical license for one year and then be made to practice under probation for two more years -- unless he appeals and wins a reversal. He also was fined $10,000.

The board's action Friday is the first official consequence for anyone connected with McPherson's death, which resulted in a two-year criminal investigation, made headlines around the world, claimed the career of the local medical examiner and plunged the church into a tumultuous period that sapped its resources and hurt membership.

The investigation brought two unprecedented felony charges, not against individuals but against a corporation: Scientology's main entity in Clearwater. One of them, the charge of practicing medicine without a license, was related to Minkoff's actions. The other was neglect of a disabled adult.

Both were dropped last year after Pinellas prosecutors reluctantly concluded their case had been wrecked by Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Joan Wood, who changed her conclusions about the cause of McPherson's death and later retired under pressure.

Meanwhile, a wrongful death lawsuit filed in 1997 by McPherson's family moves slowly through the Pinellas court system.

On Friday, Minkoff appeared before the board to answer charges that he prescribed medication for McPherson over the phone without examining her and that he relied on the church's non-licensed medical officers in treating McPherson.

However, he said nothing during the hearing and declined to speak to the St. Petersburg Times afterward. Board members agreed to stay Minkoff's suspension pending his appeal, but added a few words to their punishment. "This is a healthy, 36-year-old female who died for no reason I can tell," said Rafael Miguel, one of two board members who wanted to revoke Minkoff's license. In the last fiscal year, only 8 percent of doctors disciplined by the Board of Medicine were suspended.

Ken Dandar, the Tampa lawyer who represents McPherson's family, called the sanctions too lenient. Dandar set off the inquiry that led to Friday's action, complaining about Minkoff to state health officials in 1997.

He nevertheless credited Minkoff on Friday for the candid accounts he has given in sworn statements. It was Minkoff, a Scientologist for 20 years, who told prosecutors in 1998 that McPherson's care at Scientology's Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater was seriously flawed.

McPherson's troubles surfaced Nov. 18, 1995, when she disrobed in the street after a minor auto accident. Paramedics took her to Morton Plant Hospital for psychiatric evaluation, but several Scientologists showed up to object, citing the church's hard stance against psychiatry.

When they took McPherson to the Fort Harrison Hotel, a Scientology retreat, she became psychotic. Two days later, church staffers called Minkoff, saying they needed something to help McPherson sleep.

The doctor is a "public" Scientologist, not one of the uniformed members who staff the church. Though Minkoff had never seen McPherson and didn't know her medical history, he prescribed liquid Valium. He also wrote the prescription in the name of the Scientology staffer who was sent to pick it up -- not the actions of a "reasonably prudent physician," according to a stinging document written earlier this year by the state's Agency for Health Care Administration.

Nine days later, the church staffers called again. This time, Minkoff prescribed chloral hydrate, a prescription sedative, again without examining McPherson or gleaning information about her medical situation. On Dec. 5, 1995, when Scientology staffers realized McPherson was physically ill, they again called Minkoff, who says he told them to take her to the nearest hospital. But the staffers persisted, saying they feared doctors at Morton Plant Hospital, two minutes away, would put her in the psychiatric ward.

Minkoff, who worked in the emergency room at a New Port Richey hospital 45 minutes away, finally agreed to see McPherson. He was "shocked out of my wits" when she arrived.

After pronouncing McPherson dead, Minkoff told prosecutors he screamed at church staffer Janis Johnson for bringing him someone in such "horrific" shape. Johnson was an unlicensed physician.

An autopsy found McPherson died of a blood clot in her left lung. Minkoff, who also works at a Clearwater clinic, was contrite with prosecutors about his role, saying, "It was foolish to do what I did."

Because of statements like that, Minkoff has come to be one of the better witnesses against his own church as McPherson's relatives press their lawsuit. Once a defendant in that lawsuit, he has settled with McPherson's family. Minkoff has said Johnson never revealed the severity of McPherson's psychosis. Had he known more, he would have acted differently, he told prosecutors.

The church had no response Friday.

Minkoff's attorney, Bruce Lamb, reminded medical board members Friday that Minkoff has practiced medicine since 1995 without incident. Suspending him immediately could put other patients in jeopardy, he said. "There was no intent or bad act committed by Dr. Minkoff."
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« Reply #85 on: December 21, 2004, 04:57:00 PM »
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"You can't really be this dense.  Their marketing tools wouldn't contain anything that came close to appearing like brainwashing or a cult.  That wouldn't be good for business now, would it? :roll:  :roll:  :roll: Do you understand how advertising and marketing work?  You find the tactics when you look beyond[/b] the polished material that is intended to shine the best possible light on themselves. "


Actually, that magazine is not intended to be a marketing tool. It's mailed to parents and those whose child graduated can access it via the internet.  It's more an inhouse thing, but with the internet, unfortunately, anyone can access it.
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« Reply #86 on: December 21, 2004, 06:00:00 PM »
OK, I guess you really ARE that dense.  That's not true at all.  It's not meant to be an "in-house" thing.  Not be a long shot.
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« Reply #87 on: December 21, 2004, 06:44:00 PM »
cults that target celebritys  run by scam artists , narcisistic tyrants,  sociopathological liars who believe the ends justify the means and both places are supremacist groups who use the lie "we are about making friends and we are in the people business"   they are in the business of extorting the outside world for whatever they can and turning the kids into puppets for the cult and even indoctrinating them as cult members before they "graduate"     the celebritys are so conned by what their kids tell them that they support the lie that these place help those who help themselves.  the truth is that they are being used and they are so desperate to have "friends" that they buy into whatever the cult leaders coerce , manipulate, brainwash or just plain lie to get them to believe. the kids believe the cult because the cult has come up with a way to get them to believe whatever they say.   [ This Message was edited by: iknowcedulies on 2004-12-21 16:02 ][ This Message was edited by: iknowcedulies on 2005-01-11 16:46 ][ This Message was edited by: iknowcedulies on 2005-01-12 13:28 ]
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« Reply #88 on: December 21, 2004, 07:00:00 PM »
Cruise and Presley are puppets for scientology which is a scam.  they lie saying they are a religion so they can get tax free status.  they treat the famous one way and the easily taken advantage of another way.  someone should send the fucking abuse stories to their publicists and confront the famous on camera.  presley is a spoiled whore who uses her name to get her way. she is so spoiled that nick cage could tolerate 3 months of her. she has never understood that you do not get to have your way all the time. growing up in that white trash palace graceland taught her how to step on all and not how to be compromising.  she sold that hellhole so she could let these leeches use her money like every other cult which is what they are.  keep writing articles about their abuses so we can help the victims .  cruise is not gay.  what is the basis for the rumour ?   looks ?  he looks like a rat i never understood how he got to the top.  he is a victim of the scam known as a cult in disguise.
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« Reply #89 on: December 21, 2004, 07:37:00 PM »
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Actually, that magazine is not intended to be a marketing tool. It's mailed to parents and those whose child graduated can access it via the internet.  It's more an inhouse thing, but with the internet, unfortunately, anyone can access it."


Basically, bullshit!  I have an active subscription to The Source, which I have been receiving (hard copy, not the Internet) for nearly two years.  I simply called St. George, stating that I had a relative in one of their insititutions, and asked for the subscription.  

In that length of time, it has become dreadfully obvious that one person, the editor, creates and produces this magazine...not the many "contributing" students and parents. She tailors the articles, writes the quotes, spouts Program verbage and jargon.  All the copy is in the same format (somewhat mushy, in my opinion), revealing a clientele that ALL speak the same way. Read contributions to this Fornits forum by parents and kids, and you will see a broad spectrum of style, language, and education.  The Source has a single-minded sameness...duh, because a single person writes it!

If one were to read the January 2004 issue, and then the January 2005 issue, they would find the same boiler-plate copy.  There is a picture of two (or one) beaming parents and a kid either with a lame forced smile or a dour frown, squeezed between the folks. Often, the picture of the kid is from a younger time, before the uniforms, the raging self-hatred, or the bitterness of having a family exploded apart.  There is the requisite article about how "I" (the kid) was going to hell in a handbasket, yadda, yadda.  Then there is the single mother whose family was in shambles until she mortgaged/borrowed/defrauded insurance companies to remove her kid and set him to rights.  There is the requisite article about the graduate who now works for the Program...honestly, we read each month about a graduate/staffer or escort.  And then, with surprising frequency, there is the article about the "one that got away".  This would be the kid who is still a shit because, due to his failure to capitulate and graduate, has not benefitted enough from The Program to walk lock-step to his parent's demands.  During one period, I surprisingly found articles on three consecutive issues from ONE set of parents, waxing poetic about the Program.  They were older, mid-60's I'd guess, and they contributed (at least their portraits) suggesting their lives were made complete by the Program.  Imbedded in these successive articles was their kid's first name, but he unfortunately did not contribute his photo.  Hhmm...is he a little unhappy, downright evil, or "not fully baked"?  And, unfortunately, there is sometimes an article about the kid no longer alive, often by suicide after leaving the Program.  Unbelievably, the parents have said, "...yes, but at least he got to have some of the benefits of knowing how much we loved him [sending him off to isolation] before he died" with the implicit thought that he would probably still be alive if he had graduated.   GGrrrrr.....

Parents are really silly when they refer disenters to "the XXX 2005 issue" to confirm the wonderfulness of The Program. That's somewhere like believing that we invaded Iraq solely to prevent our own destruction from weapons of mass destruction. Either one must be naive beyond belief, or one must believe blindly to keep the pain of parental failure away. No wonder some parents regret the Internet access to The Source.  They are living a fragile lie, and having the rest of the world privy to the ridiculous props such as The Source that keep the lie alive is embarassing, to say the least.
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