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« on: September 18, 2004, 05:13:00 AM »
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/state ... news-state

CALIFORNIA
U.S. Faults Mexico Over Closure of 3 Baja Schools
 
By Richard Marosi, Times Staff Writer


The U.S. State Department plans to send a letter of protest to Mexican officials over the handling last week of the closure of three schools for troubled teenagers in Baja California, amid complaints from parents and school officials that Mexican authorities have yet to justify their actions.

More than 500 students and staff were forced to return to the United States and other countries after Mexican authorities closed the facilities in Ensenada and Rosarito Beach. The largest school, Casa by the Sea, housed about 550 boys and girls at a former hotel overlooking the Pacific Ocean
   
     
Mexican authorities said they acted after unspecified complaints of physical and mental abuse at the schools, which tout themselves as behavior modification institutions for children involved in gangs, drugs and other dangerous activities.

But no details of the alleged abuse have been provided to the U.S. Consulate in Tijuana, spokeswoman Liza Davis said. She said the State Department would send a letter citing the abrupt and disorganized manner in which officials from three Mexican agencies shut down the schools.

In some cases, parents were not allowed to see their children for several hours while Mexican officials questioned them, Davis said. At one point, fights broke out among some of the students, she said.

"Our position is they have every right to ? inspect facilities just as in the U.S.," Davis said. "Our problem is largely with how it was done, because it was quite chaotic."

The other schools closed were Casa la Esperanza, with 20 students, and Genesis by the Sea, with 26 students.

Mexican officials did not return calls seeking comment. A statement released earlier this week said the schools' operations were suspended because of poor record keeping, improper licenses and poor management of prescription drugs, some of which had expired. Officials said one school had an electric perimeter fence and another had a punishment cell.

Ken Kay, a spokesman for Casa by the Sea, denied that the facility had a punishment cell or an electric fence. And he cited a Mexican media report earlier this week that said a Mexican health official had found no evidence of abuse.

"We are relieved that there is no substantiation to the abuse allegations," Kay said.

Schools for troubled teens have generated controversy in the past for their alternative teaching methods and, some say, excessive disciplinary techniques. Similar facilities have been closed in Mexico, the Czech Republic and other countries.

Several parents of children who attended Casa by the Sea said the school had no record of complaints and was straightening out teenagers' lives. They expressed concern that false accusations were marring the facility's reputation.

"I just don't want Casa to get a bad name," said Carol Rivardi, a Rancho Santa Margarita resident whose 16-year-old daughter attended the school for one year.

"My daughter had no self-esteem; now she has values and beliefs. It has totally changed her," Rivardi said.

But some applauded the closures. "I'm rejoicing," said Roderick S. Hall, a San Diego-area clinical psychologist who said several students over the years had reported psychological abuse at the school to him. "I think the [schools] play on parents' fears and then play on kids' fears to shape up, and it's not constructive in the long run."

Casa by the Sea was a last resort, according to parents who said they had run out of options.



Many parents said they selected Casa by the Sea because it was the closest facility of its kind to Southern California. They also said that the tuition ? which ranged from $2,000 to $3,500 per month ? was substantially lower than alternative schools in the United States.

Progress at the facility was based on a point system, with good behavior rewarded with privileges like movies. Misbehaving children were forced to sit alone in a room and listen to motivational tapes, parents said. One parent said the discipline went further.

Michael McNulte, a Long Beach resident, said his son told him that the most problematic children were on occasion "slammed" into a wall. McNulte said the practice didn't upset him, having been raised in strict Catholic schools in the 1960s.

"Tough love," said McNulty. "I don't think it was excessive."

Mexican officials initially said they had received complaints from four children alleging physical or mental abuse. Dozens of officials descended on the schools on the evening of Sept. 10 and interviewed students there for hours.

San Diego police officers, who interviewed 80 children after they returned to the United States, said none reported abuse.

Davis, the consulate spokeswoman, said the office regularly monitors conditions at alternative schools in Baja California. A school in Tecate was shut down two years ago, she said. Two other alternative schools are still operating in Baja California.

Casa by the Sea, she said, had generated complaints from some teenagers over the years. Children talked of pushing incidents and being forced to sit in an empty room for hours, said Davis, who added that the claims had not been substantiated.

Parents said tales of abuse were to be expected from some children who didn't want to be there in the first place and would try anything to get out.

"These charges are totally false," said Mark Wolpe, the father of a 17-year-old former student. "People must understand that some of the children going to these programs are, totally and without doubt, out of control."
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« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2004, 05:49:00 AM »
Jesus, fucking christ. This is the worst news I have ever read.

I can not BELIEVE *POLITICS* is clouding their ears to the accusations, their eyes to the facts and their hearts to the suffering of the CHILDREN that are being TORTURED.

They use the same tired excuses about the accusations, NOT EVERYONE IS LYING. I know someone who went in for depression and 'being a basketcase'. That makes her some lying manipulator? The lack of medical treatment and some apathetic nurse saying to use 'soap and water' to treat serious infections is TOUGH LOVE? Restraint, being forced to lie face down on your belly with your arms behind your back for hours, or face painful 'restraint' (which is quite obviously torture) is somehow helpful?

They never got an education or were somehow taught 'morals' and 'values' and they certainly don't get some epiphany and change their ways because of how 'good this place is. They conform so they can get out, period.

I am still in total disbelief that our own goverment still thinks its okay to have kids put in secretive places with tons of accusations and stories of abuse behind them, and not 1. Check to see if ther is abuse 2. stop it if they find any 3. reform it so there won't be any in the future and 4. punish anyone who doesn't follow the guidelines or who has actually committed abuse! There have been many court cases where the plantiff WON! WWASPS just lost their stupid lawsuit against PURE. The truth is coming out, so why are they still acting this way?

Do NONE of these people actually CARE about these kids at all? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE USA?

I'd think if Mexico closed them down, they should start looking at the facilities in the USA and reforming them to stop this damn abuse. This is an OUTRAGE.  :evil:

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they don't like something to saying that the government should forbid it. When you go down that road, don't expect freedom to survive very long.
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2004, 09:02:00 AM »
That is the same State Department that refuses to help the kids at TB, or inform them of their rights. It's no big secret that WWASPS is the biggest contributor to Bush's campaign. There is also a politician in SC who's a WWASPie. The only way to end this is to kill WWASPS.
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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2004, 10:09:00 AM »
You might also write the state department and explain why MX did the right thing and the only mistake they made was in waiting so long to do it.

It would be a very good idea to watch your language. Otherwise, you'll just prove the Programmed right about their detractors.

I don't at the moment have the address for the statedepartment - or the consulate in MX - but I'm sure it can be found.
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2004, 11:04:00 AM »
"The only way to end this is to kill WWASPS"

Yeh, we need a big can of  R.A.I.D.
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2004, 11:36:00 AM »
Contact Public Affairs:
http://contact-us.state.gov
202-647-6575
Press Office: Direct links of interest to journalists; for more information, call: 202-647-2492



http://contact-us.state.gov/



TIJUANA (CG) Address: Tapachula #96, Tijuana BC Mexico; Phone: 52-664-622-7400; Fax: 52-664-622-7417; Workweek: M-F 8:00-4:45



MEXICO CITY (E) Address: Paseo de la Reforma 305, Col. Cuauhtemoc, 06500; APO/FPO: (Full Name), U.S. Embassy (office), PO Box 9000, Brownsville, TX 78520-0900; Phone: 011-52-55-5080-2000; Fax: 011-52-55-5080-2005; INMARSAT Tel: 683-142-218-172; Workweek: Monday - Friday, 8:30 a.m. - 5:30 p.m.; Website: http://mexico.usembassy.gov/
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2004, 11:44:00 AM »
Keep in mind that not everyone understands these programs. What needs to happen is that someone needs to gather as much of the seminar/TASKS/Discovery/Resource Realizations/Premier Educational Services material possible, post it to the Web along with assessments from loads of psychologists, psychiatrists, & therapists.

The state dept gets hit by all these people, both parents & kids, who are positive about the program and a small, minority willing to speak out....what would they do?

However, if the find out the kids at these schools are taught and given therapy that consists of fear, breaking them down emotionally, destroying their self worth and then the parents seminars give them euphoric, powerful experiences that they believe their kids are getting......the govt will quickly realize it's not the Kids manipulating the "schools" and parents.....but this network of behavior modification schools totally scamming and abusing children & their parents.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2004, 01:04:00 PM »
Couldn't agree more.
The key to the whole thing is the seminars.
Thats how they get and keep the legions of faithful under the program thumb.
Once this is understood, the will to stop the abuse will quickly overpower the influence of the programmed.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2004, 03:06:00 PM »
I like this suggestion too.

I envision a website that contains testimonials from participants- with as many specific details as possible- and program specific.

Each method of treatment/therapy contained in the testimonial could then be analyzed by a professional, addressing concerns such as:

Is the 'treatment/therapy' considered ethical by the counseling community, at large?
Would this treatment/therapy be acceptable or used by those in private practice?
Is it age appropriate? Is it excessive?
Is it damaging and how?
What problems might a child incur from having been subjected to it?
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2004, 09:01:00 PM »
I apologize for my language, but sometimes its hard to contain it. But at least I have the ability to express myself, unlike someone in a program.

This is going to be a big problem. This campaign contribution fiasco will be one tough nut to crack. Fortunately, our system is a two party one, each opposed to the other.

Leak enough dirt to their political enemies and watch the media frenzy. Its underhanded, but its all I can think of. Does anyone here expect someone is gonna feel guilty for taking money thats a politician? Hah!

Another thing I could think of is try to go to the cable news. I want to confront Fox News about pulling down their article thats archived at http://www.webdiva.org/fox , and I'd LOVE to see Bill O'Reilly say "SHUT UP SHUT UP" at someone on the air about it.

I'd want to be non partisan about this, but all the links these businesses have with the GOP makes that very hard to me. Does anyone here think there is a way to do that?

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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2004, 10:07:00 PM »
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On 2004-09-18 18:01:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

I'd want to be non partisan about this, but all the links these businesses have with the GOP makes that very hard to me. Does anyone here think there is a way to do that?

Sure, just look into the history and consequences of Janet Rambo's darling, drug courts.

Here's some of the latest on how that's going:
Quote
http://www.jointogether.org/sa/news/sum ... %2C00.html

Texas Merges Drug Treatment, Mental Health Services
9/2/2004

Saying their goal is improving public health, Texas government officials are dissolving the state Department of Health, the Texas Commission on Alcohol and Drug Abuse, and the Department of Mental Health and Mental Retardation to create two new agencies: the Department of State Health Services and the Department of Aging and Disability Services, the Houston Chronicle reported Sept. 1.

The Department of State Health Services will oversee mental and medical health services for clients, including addiction treatment. The Department of Aging and Disability Services will oversee services for the mentally retarded, the disabled, and the elderly.

Health Commissioner Eduardo Sanchez said the new configuration should allow the state to treat the health needs of residents holistically.

"As a family physician in the past, I didn't take care of a person's pancreas or a person's heart. I took care of the whole person," Sanchez said. "We will have the tools to do it now."

Suzy
 
"The political phrase 'tough on crime' should not be a substitute for thoughtful reflection or lead us into moral blindness,"
Supreme Court Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, June 23, 2004.
 
"Who would believe that a democratic government would pursue for eight decades a failed policy that produced tens of millions of victims and trillions of dollars of illicit profits for drug dealers, cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars, increased crime and destroyed inner cities, fostered widespread corruption and violations of human rights - and all with no success in achieving the stated and unattainable objective of a drug free America?"
Milton Friedman,  winner of 1976 Nobel Memorial Prize for economic science
 
"You can get over an addiction but you can never get over a conviction."
Jack Cole, Retired undercover police officer
http://www.dpft.org


Get busted breaking the drug laws, get treated for mental illness. Anyone see any essential difference between that and Stalin's policy of treating dissenters as lunatics for not being happy in his workers' paradise?

I bet if we look into the much talked abut Büsh initiative to screen the entire population for (some definition of) mental illness, we'll find it rooted firmly in Left wing social programs.

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2004, 10:26:00 PM »
Gee thats just terrific Ginger.

So now both parties are going to be hard to try to get through to because of idealogical reasons.

*sigh* how on earth can we get through to everyone about this? Why does everyone just turn a blind eye and not see it for what it is?

Some investigative reporting would if it got enough press, but the problem is getting it out to everyone's eyes and making them know this is a problem that includes them, too. But naturally, its all about Bush, terrorism, vietnam or the war right now, isntead of any actual domestic issues! Lets go invade iraq and polarize everyone behind some stupid gay marriage bans so nobody even looks at anything else!

Those hurricanes sure helped to further obscure anything but these few big stories... *sigh*

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« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2004, 10:42:00 PM »
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*sigh* how on earth can we get through to everyone about this? Why does everyone just turn a blind eye and not see it for what it is?

Because the myth that just voting for the other branch of the Party will solve the problem is pervasive. That won't do it. I think we really have to get people to understand that, as much fun as the industrial revolution was, the party's over. Now it's time to think about how to evict the drunks lying all over the floor and clean up w/ the least possible damage to what of it is really worth keeping.


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Those hurricanes sure helped to further obscure anything but these few big stories... *sigh*


Yeah, but nothing brings a local community together like having the lights and TVs off for a few days.

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2004, 11:11:00 PM »
Here is a sampling of the massive political contributions by the owner of WWASP and his family. He uses everyone in his family to give the ultimate maximum.....

LICHFIELD, ROBBIE
,
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 1/23/2002
 $1,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROBBIE
TOQUERVILLE,UT 84774
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 6/22/2004
 $2,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROBBIE
,
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 1/23/2002
 $1,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 HATFIELD AND LICHFIELD
 1/27/2004
 $4,000
 Burr, Richard
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 HATFIELD AND LICHFIELD
 2/26/2004
 $2,000
 Burr, Richard
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 SELF-EMPLOYED/CONSULTANT
 4/8/2004
 $2,000
 Bishop, Rob
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 HATFIELD AND LICHFIELD
 2/10/2004
 ($2,000)
 Burr, Richard
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 SELF-EMPLOYED/CONSULTANT
 4/8/2004
 $2,000
 Bishop, Rob
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 ADOLESCENT PROGRAM CONSULTANT
 4/25/2003
 $2,000
 Bennett, Robert F
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 ADOLESCENT PROGRAM CONSULTANT
 8/6/2003
 $2,000
 Bennett, Robert F
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 SELF-EMPLOYED/CONSULTANT
 12/31/2003
 $2,000
 Davis, Geoff
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 6/30/2003
 ($2,000)
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 6/30/2003
 $4,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 3/31/2004
 $2,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LAVERKIN,UT 84745
   10/26/2001
 $25,000
 RNC/Repub National State Elections Cmte
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
TOQUERVILLE,UT 84774
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 1/23/2002
 $1,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 ADOLESCENT PROGRAM CONSULTANT
 8/6/2003
 ($2,000)
 Bennett, Robert F
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 ADOLESCENT PROGRAM CONSULTANT
 8/6/2003
 $2,000
 Bennett, Robert F
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 SELF-EMPLOYED/CONSULTANT
 12/31/2003
 $2,000
 Davis, Geoff
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 6/30/2003
 $2,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 3/31/2004
 ($2,000)
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 3/31/2004
 $2,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
   6/5/2001
 $100,000
 2001 President's Dinner/Non-Fed Indiv
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
TOQUERVILLE,UT 84774
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 1/23/2002
 $1,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B
TOQUERVILLE,UT 84774
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 1/23/2002
 $1,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B MR
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
 SELF-EMPLOYED/CONSULTANT
 8/7/2003
 $2,000
 Bush, George W
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERT B MR
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
   9/29/2003
 $2,000
 National Republican Congressional Cmte
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERTB MR
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
   9/6/2002
 $25,000
 RNC/Repub National State Elections Cmte
 
LICHFIELD, ROBERTB MRS
LA VERKIN,UT 84745
   9/6/2002
 $25,000
 RNC/Repub National State Elections Cmte
 
LICHFIELD, ROGER
TOQUERVILLE,UT 84774
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 1/23/2002
 $1,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROGER
WASHINGTON,UT 84780
 TEEN HELP/WEB MASTER
 6/22/2004
 $2,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROGER
TOQUERVILLE,UT 84774
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 1/23/2002
 $1,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROGER
TOQUERVILLE,UT 84774
 SELF/CONSULTANT
 1/23/2002
 $1,000
 Swallow, John
 
LICHFIELD, ROGER A
WASHINGTON,UT 84780
 TEEN HELP
 8/6/2003
 $2,000
 Bennett, Robert F
 
LICHFIELD, ROGER A
WASHINGTON,UT 84780
 TEEN HELP
 8/6/2003
 $2,000
 Bennett, Robert F
 
LICHFIELD, ROGER A MR
TOQUERVILLE,UT 84774
 WEB MASTER/HELPER
 8/7/2003
 $2,000
 Bush, George W
 
There's mush more than this - find all at opensecrets.org (individual campaign donors)

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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2004, 11:28:00 PM »
Okay, the families get closer when the power is out for a week. The rest of the nation just stares at it on TV for about a month...  :razz:

Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose, and you allow him to make war at pleasure. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after having given him so much as you propose. If today he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him,--"I see no probability of the British invading us"; but he will say to you, "Be silent: I see it, if you don't."
--Abraham Lincoln

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."