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Offline Paige

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« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2004, 08:14:00 PM »
Oh yeah!!!! she is in church tonight because she wanted to go. She has never lost her faith and never abandoned the church. So go judge someone else.
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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2004, 08:50:00 PM »
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On 2004-08-25 14:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

76-5-301. Kidnapping.

(1) An actor commits kidnapping if the actor intentionally or knowingly, without authority of law, and against the will of the victim:

(a) detains or restrains the victim for any substantial period of time;

(b) detains or restrains the victim in circumstances exposing the victim to risk of bodily injury;

(c) holds the victim in involuntary servitude;

(d) detains or restrains a minor without the consent of the minor's parent or legal guardian or the consent of a person acting in loco parentis, if the minor is 14 years of age or older but younger than 18 years of age; or

(e) moves the victim any substantial distance or across a state line.

(2) As used in this section, acting "against the will of the victim" includes acting without the consent of the legal guardian or custodian of a victim who is a mentally incompetent person.

(3) Kidnapping is a second degree felony.



Amended by Chapter 301, 2001 General Session

Seems to me that this is exactly what her parents and ALA did to her. Oh yeah, thats right, it is OK because it was her parents and a religious organization.

Read it carefully no one broke any laws and the parents were notified within the required 8 hours. All the dad said was that we would have to get together and talk about it. Still hasn't happened.

They did what they thought was right and so did we. Both parties have had legal council. If they want to fight over this in court we are ready willing and able. We are also ready willing and able to move on without any problems. We shall see what happens.
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« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2004, 09:38:00 PM »
Congrats Paige! It's so nice to see a happy ending every once in a while. Amanda's fortunate to have you in her life.
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« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2004, 10:19:00 PM »
Thank you. I have been blessed and am most fortunate to have Amanda and her brother in my life.
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« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2004, 04:47:00 PM »
I found out that my daughter was told to write certain things and that consequences would be given if she was negative - even in her daily journal.  She became more depressed because she had to constantly say things that were untrue.

If you cannot talk directly without "supervision" of the staff and your child cannot write freely without letters being "reviewed", do not expect to get the truth.  For parents who wonder, go and visit in person out of bounds of listening ears.
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« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2004, 06:33:00 PM »
My son is at TLC.  I have met with  him outside of TLC for a weekend.  He confirmed to me that he writes his own letters and says what he wants.  He was very frank and candid with me.  In his letters he says what he likes and does not like.  At least as far as my son is concerned, TLC has turned him around.  He is not brainwashed in the slightest.   TLC works for some teens and not for others.

But be careful, there are a lot of people who write in this forum who don't want TLC to work, can't believe it could ever work and will have their world-view shattered if they saw it work.  As Lewis Carroll said, "Don't every try to argue a man out of a position he was not argued into."  
 
I very much suggest your family visit TLC and see for yourself.  My wife and I did, and liked what we saw.  Remember, TLC is for those teens for whom all other kinds of therapy and help have failed.  TLC is the last chance to save them before incarceration  Viewed in this context, I like TLC very much.  

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« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2004, 06:53:00 PM »
No Nemo,
You are wrong.
There are many people here who have a different opinion about whether it 'works' and question if the ends justify the means.
All of us are aware of the fact that they may return to you a broken child who appears to be fixed.
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« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2004, 10:54:00 AM »
appears to be fixed indeed! your son may have reashured to you that was what he was writing and hell, he may have written it but there may have benn people over him telling him what to write.that happened to me, my mom even changed what i wrote in some letters added things and then sent them to my extended family!! even though HE IN PERSON asurred to you he wrote them some schools set kids up!!he has to be very carefull!! about every thing!! he will tell u its the best help on eath ... but is he on drugs .. you think there could be a trade off like, out a little early or future job oppertunities!?! mabey .... i dont want to say you are wrong or nothin i just am saying carefull, it happened to me it can happen to you! carefull u momma carefull!
God Bless you and your kid  ::heart:: i mean it to!
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« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2004, 04:50:00 PM »
your right ryan right on target!  :smile:
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« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2004, 08:34:00 PM »
I would have said the exact same thing when I was in straight some 25 years ago.  I wrote my "Moral Inventory" every day for almost 15 months.  As I looked them over recently, it seemed that every thing was honkey dorey, but that was so far from the truth.  In fact, if you asked me 15 years out of straight, I would have said "it saved my life", from 15 years to about 22 years, I didn't talk about it, and just 3 years ago, I learned the truth.  So ask your son what he thinks of TLC when he is my age...I'm 43 and I bet you'd get an entirely different answer. It doesnt matter that your son met w/y'all "outside" of TLC.  I didn't tell my parents anythig about straight 'cept how "great" it is to be straight.   Now they know the truth.  Hopefully, you won't have to wait unitl you child is 43 to learn the truth either.  I forgive my parents...hope you son will do the same.  Many of my friends have nothing to do w/ their parents beacuse of their time spent in straight.  Straight and TLC are two peas in a pod.

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« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2004, 04:52:00 PM »
C'mon, Cpt Nemo - you met your kid outside the school for the weekend? And he was going back? So what would have happened had he told you his letters were dictated to him, censored and people punished for any negative statements?

Would you not send him back? Would you call the program and if they gave you a satisfactory program send him back? (where he would then be punished), send him back and then investgate the claims, (in the meantime he would be punished).

Think. The people telling you your kids are being manipulative are master-manipulators themelves. TASKS/Resource Realizations/Discovery/Focus/Premier Education, other programs based on such things are all administered by people with a background in est/Lifespring, a labeled cult.
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« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2004, 05:00:00 PM »
Nemo, let me tell you a short story.

Background:

I'm a 39 year old mother of three, a homeowner, registered voter w/ a dog eared library card and no criminal record; not even so much as a traffic ticket in well over 10 years. My family got involved in The Seed in Ft. Lauderdale around 1970 by way of all three of my older brothers and one sister. I wound up in Straight, Inc. ten years later.

None of us had been drug addicts or particularly bad kids. It's just that my parents, who were neither exceptionally good nor horrifically bad parents, were apparently very insecure or uncomfortable w/ parenting 6 kids. They believed the (now obvious) lie that dissobedience, rock music (Beatles, and especially Alice Cooper) and long hair were sure signs of morbid addiction in teenagers.

I spent two years in Straight, during which time my dad drove 4 hours each way once a month to attend Open Meetings, which were very like parent seminars. He paid the fees, did fundraising and anything else they asked of him, including (of course) vowing allegience to the TOUGHLOVE mantra above any fidelity to me as his child. At one point when I had run away from the program, he actually lied to a cop--something that was entirely alien to his character--to try to get me arrested and returned to the Program. He was that dedicated and that sure that I would be deadinsaneorinjail w/o the Program.

Less than a year later, I had come of age and was living on my own. He had come around a bit about the Program. We never really talked about it, but he was just not bringing it up, ya' know? I could drop by his house or, just as often, he'd call just to say hi and he never again tried to coerce me into treatment or to confess to druggiedome or whatever.

The one time we did discuss the program, he asked me why, if all these horrible things had been going on, I had never told him. I said "Dad, because you would have turned me in." He didn't deny it. He knew it was true.



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« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2004, 10:59:00 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2004, 10:00:00 PM »
Mail is sensored in programs and edited!!! somtimes changed so drastically that it takes away the entire meaning you were wanting to implie. Some kids are smart and learn to give hints like i did. i allways droped little hints!! like " it will be ok in the end and if its not ok its not the end" a quote from a christian book i read . it was "encouraging " but it had a secreat meaning some of my family could figure out!!

Parents look for thoses little hints. even if your kids were "bad"and needed help they may be serious and not just wanting to come home. somthing may be wrong or bad. They may have cryed "wolf" but hey they are your kids.help them out.go look at the place and show up a few hours early! See what happens.. i bet they will be in a meeting getting ready to clean house before you come visit.Having a talk with your kid about what to say and what not!!caution. CAUTION to all. ::nod::
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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2004, 11:53:00 AM »
I also spent a weekend with my Mother in our home away from my treatment facility. Guess what I also told her everything was "great." I even blew off old friends when I saw them in public, just like I was suppossed to. But Nemo, the reason wasn't that I actually believed the institution had saved my life. Oh no it was because I was so close to finishing that nothing was going to stop me. I knew one honest word to my Mother would be perceived as manipulation and lies. You have to admit that parents are trained that drug using children are manipulative and will say anything to get out. I wasn't dumb enough to think I could have an honest and open conversation with her. The trust was broken. So instead of building our relationship, I just saw her as the next whistle blower. I did not think she would have protected me. I know she would have sent me back and told them of my "manipulations." So I said all the right things to continue and not have to start all over again. I could not face the thought of 2 more years in that place. So as much as I hope your son is happier than ever and well adjusted, I can only say I wasn't.
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