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Offline PFRR

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« on: September 16, 2004, 08:55:00 PM »
I called ISAC two days ago and still the woman has not called me back.  I wonder does she travel, is it best to email them?  
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2004, 10:28:00 PM »
Try and be patient.
There is A lot happening right now.
Besides which, we all have lives seperate and apart from all this  and these lives get very busy sometimes as well.
If a couple Weeks go by with no reply, you might want to call again just to refresh the memory you needed a responce.
If it is urgent, thats different; but you need to be sure and explain its urgent and why.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2004, 10:30:00 PM »
PS
Email is always good.
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2004, 12:19:00 AM »
It's best to email isac corp.  I received a reply from Shelby there.  They are very helpful and a great resourse for those who have been harmed by this abusive industry.

Thought that is silenced is always rebellious. Majorities, of course, are often mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is necessarily dangerous. Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major delusions.
--  ALAN BARTH, The Loyalty of Free Men, 1951.

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2004, 06:46:00 AM »
I got a call back quickly when I called about a friend---who by the way is FREE!!!!!

ISAC wasn't able to get her out back then, but they did call around and find some basic information and the moral support was a big thing at the time.

The program at ASR that my friend got stuck in appears to really be a specific-duration thing.  They advertised it as 14 months, and she really did come out after 14 months.  She turns 18 soon, so she would have been out soon regardless.

She actually did get at least one thing good out of the program---a determination never to live under the same roof as her mother again.

Anyway, if ISAC isn't back to you quickly, it's probably because with the Tranquility Bay and Casa events, they're very busy.

Timoclea
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2004, 02:02:00 AM »
Can anyone tell me the location of ASR?  What New England town/state?
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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2004, 09:04:00 AM »
ASR is in Cummington, Mass.
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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2004, 09:47:00 AM »
On her website, she states clearly you should email her if you want a response.

On her website, she says she is a mother, has a family and young children to care for, and does travel.
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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2004, 11:29:00 AM »
Whoa!  Red flag!  That was *not* an endorsement of ASR.

One of the things I have actual knowledge from talking to my friend that ASR did was sharply limited her access to books for recreational reading.

She had to smuggle e-books in to have anything to read.  Fortunately, you can fit a *lot* of text on a CD-ROM, and they did have computers, even though they didn't have access to the outside world.

No child of any age should *ever* be denied recreational reading material to enjoy when his or her work/homework is done.

Okay, I'm an author, I have a bias.  My mom was an elementary school librarian, I have a big bias.  I have a firm belief that *not enough* children are readers and love to read, and that if you have a teenager that reads and loves to read that while that teenager is reading he/she is *not* doing drugs, is *not* screwing around, is *not* doing delinquent stuff.

Depriving a kid of reading material is unconscionable.

My friend is a science fiction fan.  I don't care if the kid's preferred genre is literary, romance, horror, SF, fantasy, mystery, western, historical fiction, military fiction, cop stories, or or stories about Peoria, if a kid loves reading and the material isn't obscene in an age-inappropriate way, then *nobody* should be depriving the kid of the opportunity to read what he/she likes.

I'm not saying they should have to *provide* it.  I'm saying she shouldn't have had to smuggle it in.

When a facility treats *books* as contraband, that facility has a problem.

I do not recommend Academy at Swift River.  I do not recommend it at all.

In their favor, when I sent my friend a box of books at Christmas, I sent them anonymously and she received them (I didn't think they'd get there if my name was on the box, and I was probably right---other *harmless* stuff from others that was not sent anonymously did not get to her.

Still, for an avid reader, a mere handful of books over the course of a year is just not enough.  And I had to put a number of dry literary classics in the hope that one or two recreational titles would get through.

I don't recommend them.

They treated her reading like a bad habit that -"distracted from her personal growth"-.

Bullcrap.

I absolutely do NOT recommend this facility to any parent or guardian whatsoever.

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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2004, 11:42:00 AM »
//I'm not saying they should have to *provide* it. I'm saying she shouldn't have had to smuggle it in. //

I will say they should provide them - good books that is. Any live in program ought to have a decent library with books of various sorts. There is no need for it to be a huge expence. There is a booming market in twice told books and wonderful stories in good condition can be picked up for very little.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2004, 03:25:00 PM »
You won't see recreational reading, or kids learning to play a musical instrument, or any other valuable or useful skill. How can this be beneficial? If they were indeed doing what they claim, changing kids undesirable behaviors, why would they discourage them from picking up useful activities simultaneously?

As the excuse goes, it distracts them from 'working the program'. Every waking moment, of every day, for two years, they must focus their complete and total attention on their 'emotional growth'.

Perhaps they discovered over the years that the 'conditioning' doesn't take it the child has any connection with the real world- any thread of reality to hold on to.

This is too extreme and austere.
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2004, 01:27:00 PM »
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You won't see recreational reading, or kids learning to play a musical instrument, or any other valuable or useful skill. How can this be beneficial? If they were indeed doing what they claim, changing kids undesirable behaviors, why would they discourage them from picking up useful activities simultaneously?

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I remember I had a day off from work and I decided to stay home, you know, take some time for myself, relax, spend some time by the pool at Cranbrook Apts. That was the last time I ever did that for 5 years. I felt so guilty and selfish. Everyone spent every available moment at the seed and if you didn't, something was wrong with you. It always seemed wrong to me that it was okay to lie and take a day off from work to go into the seed, and it was perfectly okay with staff. In fact, a person was almost praised for doing so. There were so many times when I just wanted some time to myself but I was never alone.

Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.
--Rep. Robert L. Henry, TX December 22, 1914 (quoting Lincoln)

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