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Difference Straight and Seed
« on: September 14, 2004, 10:40:00 AM »
Anyone out there asttend both Straight and Seed and can tell about the difference of experiences.
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2004, 11:02:00 AM »
One was funded by the FBI; the other by fraud.
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2004, 04:53:00 PM »
One was run by fascist theologists, the other was run by theological fascists.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2004, 04:56:00 PM »
One was a Soviet-style gulag funded by capitalists, the other was a Theocracy run by behavioral scientists.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2004, 05:29:00 PM »
One was poop, one was shit.

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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2004, 05:37:00 PM »
I respect your question Anon, but I think the true question is, what were the similarities?  

As you have already observed via testimony on this site, the only real difference was labeling.  

You can put their horseshit programs in a tin can, or a Waterford vase....either way, when you open it up you are going to feel like fertilizer.

For the community to have 10% to 25% of its men unable to vote or unable to access credit or other privileges of citizenship for the rest of their lives in some states creates a permanently diminished
group within society.
http://www.urban.org/authors/travis.html' target='_new'>Jeremy Travis, Urban Institute

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2004, 07:35:00 PM »
I wasn't in group at The Seed. But all three of my older brothers and one sister were. So I had a pretty good view of what was going on.

The primary difference that I could see was that Straight didn't have a cultive personality like Art at the head of it. It was also more imbued w/ the Christian religion, even though the Semblers were Jewish. I just figured that was a cultural difference between Ft. Lauderdale and the St. Pete area. But who knows. The Semblers were Jewish, so it wasn't their preference.

I think it was also more strict, but that might just be the difference between my perception as a younger sister, ouside of group and that of actually being in group.

The singing was better at The Seed. There were no softball games or group outings to someone's beachfront home at Straight. I don't know what else. Basically, it was the same program w/ a few differences. Greg likes to say Straight was cult-like while The Seed was a cult. That's about as good a description as I've heard.

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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2004, 07:54:00 PM »
This is some funny shit.

How about...



One was founded by a cult leader..the other by the parents of those forced into the cult.


Or...


One was a cult for white kids...the other a copy of a cult for white kids.

Or...


One smelled like shit...the other like crap.


or...

One was run by a ex drug addict wanna be congressman..the other by an future ambassador.

or

One was run by a guy that worshipped the nazi youth. The other by a jew.


Damn, this could go on all night.....


 :grin: [ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-09-14 16:58 ][ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-09-14 17:01 ]
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2004, 07:57:00 PM »
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You can put their horseshit programs in a tin can, or a Waterford vase....either way, when you open it up you are going to feel like fertilizer.<



Or as my friends mom used to say (when talking about trashy girls..but it applies here)

When you try to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, you end up with a chicken-shit sandwich.
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2004, 07:59:00 PM »
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On 2004-09-14 13:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

"One was run by fascist theologists, the other was run by theological fascists."




A CLASSIC!!!!!!!


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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2004, 11:54:00 AM »
There were some clear differences:

seed did use pb&j, but never put anyone on a diet of that stuff. You could eat all the sandwiches you wanted.

seed  they ate at home, well-cooked meals in the eveing (especially the late years). no one had strictly pb&j for lunch and dinner. On the contrary, seed clients ate very well especially in the later 80's and 90's. many, if not all, gained weight after just a few weeks there.

Restraints were not used at seed in 80's 90's. You were psychologically/emoioanlly pressured to
stick arounf and be a part, but if you simply refused , they would let go. i saw it many times.

it seems that straight had a much, much meaner edge. and the personalities really, really doubted each other during the experience no matter how long you knew pwoplw at straight you really never liked many of them. at seed people were deffinately more likable even lovable, but there was a stronger persoanlity cult at seed much much stronger


there you really beleived that these people were old souls that had lived other lives and had fianly gotten to a higher plane at lesst the staff had, there ere insinuations of that in the discourse.
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2004, 01:19:00 PM »
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On 2004-09-15 08:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

it seems that straight had a much, much meaner edge. and the personalities really, really doubted each other during the experience no matter how long you knew pwoplw at straight you really never liked many of them. at seed people were deffinately more likable even lovable, but there was a stronger persoanlity cult at seed much much stronger


Come to think of it, they used to shuffle us around to different foster homes all the time. (at some point, they had to quit using that term and start calling them 'host homes' because of the legal definition and requirements for foster homes/parents) Since I was an out of towner, I never went home, I always went to a foster home. The only one I can remember spending any significant time in w/o a change was one where I and the girl who's home it was couldn't stand each other.

However, some Straightlings did hook up. Some even married each other.

For the community to have 10% to 25% of its men unable to vote or unable to access credit or other privileges of citizenship for the rest of their lives in some states creates a permanently diminished
group within society.
http://www.urban.org/authors/travis.html' target='_new'>Jeremy Travis, Urban Institute

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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2004, 01:23:00 PM »
I remember it being that way as well Ginger, I don't think I ever spent more than 10 days in one home at a given time. And when I got a good one where I was fed well and treated decent it only seemd to be for 2 or 3 days. i was a out of towner as well that made it even worse living out of the grocery bag i called my suit case.
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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2004, 04:59:00 PM »
Well, whoever wrote that synopsis of the seed above wasn't there when I was. You could Not eat all you want, you did not gain weight, I never had one bite of food at my oldcomers house,  etc. etc. We were on strict food and drink rations.

This doesn't surprise me tho. Depeding on when you were there and where you were, the seed was very different. For example, I have come to understand that motivating was something that sprung from the St Pete branch (and was gifted to the straight there by the seed graduates that were the initial straight staff members). Other locations didn't do it. Cleveland had a synanon style boxing ring, st pete and ft lauderdale did not.  Ft lauderdale had beach outings for the inner core and art frolicking the the pool with the female staff members at at least one staff member location.

So, to whoever posted that above, I believe that was your experience, but it certainly wasn't mine.
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2004, 05:00:00 PM »
to our poster above, you were in both the seed and straight? When and where?  Thanks.
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