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« on: August 22, 2004, 11:52:00 AM »
I was just exploring one of the worst memories at CEDU.

I remember in the SUMMIT (6 day workshop)  Rudy was playing some crazy loud music.  He had paired us all off with our best friends.  My partner was a guy named Sean.

He started giving the same old speech he'd been pounding into our heads over the last 2 days- screaming into our ears "Do NOT hold back!! You MUST give 100 percent for this to work!  Don't rip yourself off by not going ALL the WAY!!"  It was all very intense and we were buying it hook line and sinker.

Then we paired off and I was instructed to bring my right hand back as far as I could.  On the count of 1...2...3...and the word commence- I was to strike Sean as hard as I could slapping him in the face.  (I guess he was trying to say this was how we treat eachother)

I was fucking in a panic.  I didn't want to hit my best friend, but everyone else was prepped and ready to do it.  We were all panicking and scared shitless.  I had heard rumours from older students that the Summit had a really insane moment- but to trust Rudy and do whatever he says because it was worth it!

Was I really going to have to strike my buddy?

So here came the countdown to the mental mind fuck.

1...2...3.......................(Noooooooo!!!!!)

"give your partner a hug."


Okay,  so you're saying no harm, no foul.

Wrong.  I swear to you and I really believe I speak for most of us that were there.  If Rudy had said commence, with no doubt in my mind, I would have struck Sean with ALL my might.

And I knew it, too.  I knew right then, that Rudy had me and all the others.

I knew the power they had even over me.

I went up to my dorm and had a cigarette.  It was crazy.
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2004, 12:13:00 PM »
That is messed up!  The funny thing is I know we would have all done it.  The "right" thing to do would be to say piss off but we wouldn't dare. It's scary to think of how we can be compelled to do something we don't believe in when we are in an oppressive, controlled environment that coerces us to dispense with individual; values in favor of group think.

That is probably the key reason I split.
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2004, 07:54:00 AM »
I too remember that. I have yet to look through the notebooks to explore more about some of the moments. In fact, even in a theraputic environment like a shrink office I have resisted exploring the full extent of control over us in workshops such as the summit. For years I have adhered to the never-say-shit-promise I gave. I see now that it is out of financial protection for the school to do this. Stolen workshop. The chop shop chop shop. Over the last month or two I have been knowledgeable about the existance of this site I have already quickly flown the gammut of emotion. I want to fly away from it and not go straight in. 'At's funny to me because I go straight into every other conflict in my life. Action. I guess some of that originated with my CEDU "re-education". I need so badly to know that we're not alone in our assessments as grads. I feel guilty a bit stabbing CEDU in the back. And now I need to explore that in itself.
Thanks for being as longlastingly upset as me!
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2004, 01:06:00 PM »
that's fucked!
i went through a summit all by myself (i got in trouble the night before my peer group's summit) so i never did that... i just remember having to write my own obituary and read it to my peer group.  oh, i also liked the part where they told me to decide which friends i should kill if they were on a sinking boat.  cute.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2004, 05:36:00 PM »
yea, i didnt like writing the obituary either.  it made me feel like i was dead already...   :scared:  i hated that workshop, and i didn't like day 4 when you had to get all dressed up and "use your contract" to complete the strech.  

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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2004, 07:10:00 PM »
I didn't complete the program so I only went through one propheet. What do you mean by getting all dressed up to use your contract?
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2004, 08:06:00 PM »
the staff give you a "roll" to play i.e. mine was Miss. America.  so i had to dress up like i was doing a Miss. America pagent, and i had to do a swim suit compition (even though i was the only one competing :wink:)  and i had to give a speech on why i was "beautiful", and why i should be Miss. America.  and so you have to "use your contract" to get through the stretch<- that's what me being Miss. America was.  so basically they make you be some one and you have to do what that character would do.    

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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2004, 08:29:00 PM »
But why? What was the purpose? What were soem of the other roles people were asked to play? Was the purpose to stretch how you see yourself?
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2004, 08:42:00 PM »
some of the other roles...  one of my friends was "peter pan". (the staff saw him as being irresponsible), and since peter pan lost his shadow... peter pan was "irresponsible"  (i was Miss. America because the staff thought that i didn't think i was "beautiful"... and everyone knows that Miss. America's are beautiful...)  some one else was "exlposive pooh", the staff thought.. (and so did i at times) she had anger problems, so her character was basically a phyco winne the pooh bear.  some one else was "King Author"  the staff thought he had trouble being a leader and to be a king you have to lead, so that's why he got that roll.  does that make sense?

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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2004, 08:52:00 PM »
OK. It's weird. I do not like the encounter portion of the propheets or the pressure to have what I call an emotionally facilitated breakthrough in order to progress because a lot of it is coercive and abusive in my view. But I can't decide if some of the workshop portions might be helpful just to stretch your sense of self or if its ALL mindf^&*.
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2004, 09:07:00 PM »
i believe that all the profeets and workshops are there to fuck with you... espically the imagine, i and me.  i didn't like the dreams either when you had to draw ur nightmere, and then they make you wear it and you have to stand up in front of everyone while staff point out every little fuckin thing you drew on there... then they make you rip it up and throw it away at the end.........

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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2004, 10:49:00 PM »
Pixie, what are some of the your experiences with I and Me, Dreams etc. Good, bad, or ugly.  I didn't go through them and I want to know what I missed.
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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2004, 10:53:00 PM »
do you got an e-mail or instant message, cuz we could chat about it through that

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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2004, 11:28:00 PM »
yeah... my aim is rubyredlea
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2004, 11:50:00 PM »
Shanea,
You got it. Coercive and abusive. It's inappropriate therapy for teens. Even adults for that matter. Unless it was done in a very thoughtful way. One learns how to ACT, but has the real underlying emotion/misbelief been dealt with. I can see where they would like to go with this, but again, it is not done well and not age appropriate. What MIGHT be useful is if the teens performed plays and took a role they weren't comfortable with. There's actually a psych term for this that isn't coming to me. I want to say psychodrama, but not sure that's it.

I do see benefit in contradicting the beliefs one has erroneously adopted about themselves. It's like, how do you help a dog that has been beaten to the point of cowling. Tell it to stand up and act like a bulldog? Some think that a dog that has been that badly abused will can never fully recover. But common sense dictates that you won't 'help' that dog with further mistreatment.
Is it so hard to relate that to humans?

Take for example a kid who has been told he is stupid so often that he begins to believe it- his self esteem severely damaged. I fail to see how role playing a genius is going to be helpful. Learning to ACT smart is not going to suddenly make him 'feel' smart. He may not even know how to play that part, could blunder and feel even more stupid... and humiliated on top of that. Or if his self esteem has really been damaged, the whole exercise will feel humiliating- particularly if it is forced. He will not relate but will go through the motions because he is made to do it. I think the more useful thing would be to point out his brilliance at every opportunity. Find ways to dismantle the misbeliefs. Provide opportunities in which he could see that he indeed was not stupid. This method requires a highly trained staff and a whole different structure. Something used car and furniture salesmen, turned program gurus, wouldn't know anything about. They DO know alot about acting.

I think all these programs would be better off if they sent their staff to be trained in the Montessori method. They need to reinforce the truth and help teens learn to master their environment. That would be MY solution. Turn all BM programs into Montessori high schools. Get some people in there who have been taught how to respectfully assist teens in their journey to adulthood. Who won't subject them to ignorant, unproven techniques and abuse.

Even if their ignorant 'therapy' worked. The rest of the program is disrespectful. How does one come to feel good about themselves when they are treated worse than prisoners?

This discussion reminds me of a story about an indigenous tribe and how they dealt with 'anti-social' behavior. When a member acted disrespectfully they saw it for what it was. The entire tribe stopped what they were doing. They encircled the distressed member and each took turns reminding the member of his/her goodness. Can you fathom that happening in a program? It's the antithesis of what programs do.
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