Let Freedom Ring

[Anonymous]

http://www.helpyourteens.com/news/pure_ ... wwasp.html

[Anonymous]

what's wrong?  i guess everyone now realizes these people put up...and everyone else shut up?

what happened to all the basher's against pure?  what happened to all of the pure people?  did everyone go away?

[Antigen]

I don't recall anyone ever bashing PURE. I had a couple of good questions that never got answered. And I did ask Sue. She changed the subject. Anyone else care to explain to me the difference between WWASP and PURE?

One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation.
--Thomas Brackett Reed

[Anonymous]

PURE was/is the one doing the bashing.

Difference?  WWASPS oversees the schools, which are all independently owned.  PURE refers to schools that pay them a fee.  They won't disclose the schools they refer to, so no one knows if they have allegations of abuse or not.

Why the secrecy?  Are they ashamed of the schools they refer to, or do those schools have the same allegations.

What I don't see in this PURE written press release is who WWASP had there to dispute these allegations.  Was this Press Release picked up and printed by any newspapers?  If there were press present, did they print anything in their newspapers.

Rep Miller said that visiting any of the schools WWASPS oversees would be a dog and pony show.  This press release reads like a dog and pony show.

Karen was so quick to post this press release, but has she forgotten how badly Abundant Life Academy has received allegations of abuse? Is this one of the "programs" PURE refers to?

BTW, if kids is in "the Hobbit" have no way of hurting themselves (a time out place for observation?) how did a kid carve "Let Freedom Ring?"  

This press release just shows that PURE can now print anything they want with no repercussions.
Sad.

[Anonymous]

WWASP oversees the schools - that's the story and your sticking to it, huh?
Go on - keep your head in the sand and your ass in he air.

I was there and I herd the man explain how he oversees the schools. Hope he hear all the complaints - I bet he does.
I herd the man explain how he had no problem with staff screwing students as long as the student consents. Wasn't worth filing a report or even talking to the staff member when it happen at TB.
I herd the man explain it himself.

I saw the photo of the hobbit. The dad was only allowed to draw a depiction of the photo for the jury - but I saw the photo. Tiny. Devoid of comfort of any kind. Wood shelves to lay upon and that was all. There was no heat it was explained - and this was Montana. The kids orange froze overnight, it was so cold. I herd the father testify and explain how his son was left to languish in this tiny, cold, stark hole for MONTHS. All the time he is being told his son was fine. I saw the writing on the wall. I saw the boys name on his sleeping board. I saw his cry for freedom on the wall.

I saw the kids being marched around in the Mexican sun in long johns and sweat suits. I saw them laying in the dog cages. It was on a big screen. No problem making out what one was looking at. I saw and herd the boy break down sobbing as the father of one of the dog cage kids explained what the film was of; where it came from; and what was happening.  

WWASP didn't dispute the allegations. Just like you, they tried to deflect and distract and minimize. They sat in court and sneered and laughed and giggled.
It made a very poor impression.

And know this smart ass, I haven't forgotten anything.

[Anonymous]

To the person asking the question,  "who did WWASP have there?" to refute Pure's so called bashing:

Please note,  this case was brought BY the WWASPies,  dragging a Florida defendant 2000 miles from home to Federal District Court in Utah.  This is the $90 Mil per year business versus a small timer with a few employees.  

WWASP wanted to shut her up and intimidate other voices -- just like they tried (unsuccessfully) to shut up Tom Houlihon of UPI with their earlier frivolous SLAPP Suit.

Anytime a person wants to file a defamation case,  they necessarily run the risk that if they lose,  the general public will reasonably conclude that the purported defamatory statements were indeed true.

In this case, it was THEIR suit on THEIR home turf, and presumably, WWASP had every reason to take their best shot.  If their high falootin attorneys couldn't get  it done,  it  just might have been because they were holding a losing hand. I Don't have time to listen to any whining that they didnt  have a fair chance to present their proofs.  Its time for a little accountability please.

[Anonymous]

So far this is all heresay.  No news articles from reporters that were there.  I find that quite odd.  Also no court transcripts, only anonymous posters, like me, that have their views. That press release uses actual events and twisted them to fit what PURE has done over and over in the past.  If the outcome of the court decision IS true, then it will give free rein to anyone who wants to post their distortions of the facts.  

I didn't say WWASPS didn't have a fair trial.  I asked, in other words,  if they had any of the hundreds of students that know there is no abuse tell their stories to the jury. I'm asking, not accusing.  

Got a question...have any of you ever lived where there are chiggers and sand flys?  Have you ever had a picnic in a humid area and had flys on your food?   No amount of repellent can stop those little critters from biting the hell out of your legs.  Isn't that what really happened to some of the kids at the South Pacific school?

That whole press release is full of the same type of distortions.  Based on the truth, but twisted to fit someone's agenda.

As for "deflecting"...who's doing the deflecting here?

[Anonymous]

The Salt Lake Tribune covered the story-- though very poorly because the reporter didn't seem to have attended the trial every day.

But it's there in black and white in the paper:  WWASP lost and PURE won.

Google it if you don't believe it!

What that means is that a jury of twelve Utah citizens believed that PURE's allegations against WWASP had enough basis in truth not to be a violation of the Lanham act, which prevents business competitors from making false claims about each other.

Journalists and citizens are not bound by the Lanham act because their free speech is simply that:  not aimed at harming a business competitor.

The case was not about which group was "better" nor was it about whether there are any confirmed allegations of abuse at facilities to which PURE refers-- it was about whether PURE's claims that WWASP abuses kids were based in fact.  The jury believed that WWASP abuses kids after hearing testimony by several parents and seeing videos illustrating the conditions in its programs.

Ken Kay testified for WWASP and WWASP had at least two lawyers present.  This wasn't any sneak attack on poor tiny 100 mil a year grossing WWASP.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-08-13 22:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"So far this is all heresay.  No news articles from reporters that were there.  I find that quite odd.  Also no court transcripts, only anonymous posters, like me, that have their views. That press release uses actual events and twisted them to fit what PURE has done over and over in the past.  If the outcome of the court decision IS true, then it will give free rein to anyone who wants to post their distortions of the facts.  



I didn't say WWASPS didn't have a fair trial.  I asked, in other words,  if they had any of the hundreds of students that know there is no abuse tell their stories to the jury. I'm asking, not accusing.  



Got a question...have any of you ever lived where there are chiggers and sand flys?  Have you ever had a picnic in a humid area and had flys on your food?   No amount of repellent can stop those little critters from biting the hell out of your legs.  Isn't that what really happened to some of the kids at the South Pacific school?



That whole press release is full of the same type of distortions.  Based on the truth, but twisted to fit someone's agenda.



As for "deflecting"...who's doing the deflecting here?  



"

I've lived in an area with rampant chiggers.

You *can* keep them from biting the hell out of you.  You don't wear the kind of binding clothing that attracts them.

IOW, you dress appropriately for conditions.

And you recognize and treat the rare chigger bite that happens anyway by immediately covering it with nail polish.

It doesn't matter where you live in this world, the locals have *some* basic rules for dressing appropriately for local conditions and immediate treatment of insect bites and other injuries.

If minimizing and treatment is not possible in a certain environment---YOU DON'T PUT KIDS THERE.

Sending a kid out in clothing with tight elastic bindings, day after day, in chigger country.  Providing no nail polish to treat chigger bites promptly.  Those would be examples of child neglect.

Every child protective services department in the country treats dressing kids inappropriately for weather or conditions to be child neglect.

Likewise, all CPS departments treat failure to provide necessary medical attention promptly as child neglect.

If you don't think letting kids get eaten up with bug bites, or letting their food be buggy, for prolonged periods is child neglect, then your reality check just bounced.

Timoclea

[Anonymous]

Its not hearsay. I was there.

WWASp lost this b/c the program is extremely abusive and grossly neglectful and it was proven in federal court.

To answer your question, no, they did not present any of the faithful legions to testify how wonderful the program is. I suspect the reason being they didn't want to expose them to the truth; or the jury to the parrot like quality of their program praising. Just a guess.

The Salt Lake Tribune did a very poor job of reporting but they did cover it.

It was also covered by a French film crew and the BBC. American media has so far failed to grasp what kind of story is taking place right under their noses. I think too, American media is to addicted to sound bites. News in drips and dabs. This story can't be told in such a fashion, so they just won't try and tackle it. That's my thinking on the matter.

I do think other news sources will report on the trial. I have gotten email asking for the press release. So, lets wait and see how much coverage the story gets.

As for the transcripts - go buy yourself a copy.

They will be very important reading and I am so glad Sue hung in there and saw this threw and so provided us all with an invaluable document detailing the abuse and neglect that takes place in The Program.

[Anonymous]

Chiggers and Sand Flies?  Thats what "really" happened to the Samoa kids?

I guess that means that you'd prefer to make the members of the insect kingdom accountable for the abusive conditions,  rather than the humans who put the kids in the way of the bugs, knowing there was no reasonable means of protecting them.

It must be something in the LaVerkin water supply that causes intractable denial and paranoia.  

After all,  it was that  mean old California building inspector that caused Bell academy to close, not the bright, enthusiatic, dynamic men and women who put the kids in a substandard facility (and would druther close it up than comply with local building safety codes).

It was them mean old big city newspaper reporters (from NEW YORK! with NON-ARYAN surnames!) who caused Dundee ranch to close -- certainly not the highly trained Pre-owned Motor Vehicle Professionals who ran it.

And that Costa Rican prosecutor, the Czechoslovakian prosecutor and that Mexican outfit that closed High Impact,  well what do they know  about troubled teen help -- they're just a bunch of DUMB ASS FOREIGNERS who were probably looking for a payoff.

And why didn't the person who videotaped the kids in the dog cages in Mexico just unlock the gate?  Certainly the manufacturer of the videocamera must share in the responsibility!

Of course,  its absolutely wrong and unfair to hold WWASP management responsible for any of these abusive institutions.  How can anyone reasonably expect THEM to be accountable?  After they get caught, they pay big money to their lawyers to set up new legal entities.  They pay big money to their IT people to set up identical websites with different names.  They pay big money to public relations firms to find out WHY people think brainwahing kids is a bad thing,  and then find ways to convince folks that maybe its NOT REALLY SO BAD after all.

Hey,  just because someone gets caught on tape putting kids in cages,  or endorsing making kids lie face down on concrete for months at a time as an appropriate form of treatment  doesn't mean they should be branded child abusers for the rest of their lives, does it?

Even if those practices WERE bad (a proposition which WWASP vigorously disputes) they happened under a DIFFERENT CORPORATE SHELL!  We've CHANGED the logo on our caps and golf shirts.  Now we are GOOD,  and ALWAYS have been (that is,  going back at least to the date of our most recent re-incorporation).

[Anonymous]

Wonder why they keep trying to deny wwasp opperated High Impact?
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HIGH IMPACT BOOT CAMP
Baja California, Mexico
Dwayne Lee, Admissions Coordinator ?
Parent Resources Hotline
Hurricane, Utah
800-793-5156

[I called their web site number to ask some questions about the Parent Resources Hotline, identifying myself as an educational consultant. The person answering the phone informed me he was only authorized to send a packet of information and did not answer any of my questions.  
:exclaim: The packet I received included a photocopy of a letter from Dwayne Lee of Parent Resources Hotline, a Sample Daily Schedule  
:exclaim: for WWASP Programs, :exclaim:
a brochure for High Impact, a Video Tape and a brochure for the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs: Casa by the Sea, Carolina Springs Academy, Cross Creek Academy, Spring Creek Lodge and Tranquility Bay. Apparently Parent Resources Hotline exclusively markets High Impact and WWASP programs.-Lon] :exclaim:  :exclaim:  :exclaim:

High Impact describes itself as a 28 day+ boot camp for defiant teens ?that is well defined and well structured. This experience is designed to help teens replace destructive attitudes and behaviors with new perspectives and direction in their lives. This is accomplished by focusing on the three R?s of Reality, Respect, and Responsibility.? One of their stated goals ?is to help participants gain an appreciation for home and family by learning to take total and complete responsibility for themselves.? They use a ranch setting ?along with the rigors of an authentic military type schedule?.? The typical schedule presented starts with ?Wakeup? at 6:00 AM, and ?Shutdown? at 8:00 PM, including four hours of ?Marching? and six hours of ?Worksheets.? The remaining time is devoted to Hygiene, Inspection and meals. ?Staff members maintain 24-hour ?round the clock? supervision and interaction with participants. They teach values, acceptable behavioral norms and proper respect for authority?.Our ?gender separated? compound? is designed to create an environment with ?minimal distraction.?
:exclaim:
The program describes its short-term program as a ?wake-up? call for the teen, that parents can use to buy some time while deciding whether to enroll their child in their long-term program. The audiotape sent with the promotional packet consisted of a number of testimonials by parents and ex-students, mostly, however, apparently referring to the long-term WWASP programs rather than High Impact.
:exclaim:  A price list was included for the various WWASP programs, but none for High Impact.
:exclaim:
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You'll notice there is nothing mentioned about dog cages or forced laps in the blazing MX sun while wearing sweat suites; or forced stress positions on the concrete floor of the dog run.
No mention of the cattle prods.
I had forgotten to mention it myself. . .
Cattle prods were used to frighten the kids and keep them in the stress position. That's what the Iraqi tormentors called it - maintaining a stress position. Seems to be a well understood "soft torture" to help facilitate brainwashing. Cattle prods or snarling guard dogs, serve the same purpose.

This is real.
This is how they treat the "students."
And the attempts at denial when caught prove they know what they're doing is wrong.
Its criminal.
We have U.S. solders facing court marshal and prison for treating prisoners in the same way as  these monsters treat kids.

They have gotten away with it for so long. But the tide has turned. The winds have shifted. I hope the storm serge washing them clean away.

[Anonymous]

I did a google search, also checked the SALT LAKE Tribune and didn't find what you said was printed.  Just the original one saying it would take about 7 days for the hearing to be complete.  
 
So...please provide the link here.  I'd love to read it.

[Anonymous]

Go to SL Tribune and search under "World Wide Assocation", last 14 days.  

By reciting the WWASP anti Pure allegations in both her original story and the story concerning the jury verdict against WWASP,   she sure sounded biased in favor of the home team (even tho the jury only took 3 1/2 hours to reach a unanimous verdict  in PURE's favor)

[Anonymous]

I am hoping Pam with the SLT will regret her lazy and biased reporting and will dig further and do a better job - but there is just no telling why she is so reluctant to tell the story entire. Maybe her uncle is a Litchfield; or her bank account fatter or she is just one of the faithful programmed legions.

But, she did write a story. I found the SLT wants money to look at archived stories - this one included and wasn't willing to pay for it.