I accomplished more as a heroin addict than

[Scarstruck]

I did my whole time in straight. How Ironic..
I read someones post about having no human use in straight..and started to think.

 I didnt get anything accomplished at Straight...I couldnt noone could..

 As a heroin addict..I got GED...went to and graduated college...got married...travelled..worked a full time job...all while maintaining a 500 dollar per day habit.

 In straight ....my family divorced and split up over the program Mom was brainwashed dad wasnt..I got 2 years behind in school...lost my self esteem..and got a total of 2 months of school done that entire time.



 So can we conclude that treatment in Straight like programs i actually less productive than heroin addiction?


 (NOTE I have been clean for years now and ..am not promoting heroin just making an ironic point)

[Anonymous]

It worked for some people and really hurt a lot of others.

[Scarstruck]

but the ones it "worked" for are not happy...they may be sober but they are zombies...

[Anonymous]

I have been sober now for more then 16 years and am far from being a "zombie" and for the most part am pretty damn happy with my life. It is not perfect nor am I and I struggle with shit just like anyone, but as you know yourself it's up to us as individuals to what we choose to do with our lives and how far we want to recover. Do you still do the meeting thing? Glad to hear that your sober now. I have lost some real good friends to heroin.

[Anonymous]

Recovery???  Meetings?
Your a fucking zombie and you sound like a brainwashed jackoff. :cry2:

[whiterabbit]

Worked for some people??? In what way? Which part? Be specific. Hey I'm successful beyond my imagination in many ways but it is NOT because peeing on the floor, being denied food or sleep or security or love or any of the other forms of mental or physical anguish inflicted at Straight  HELPED me. I overcame all that and at great personal cost. And I still see a therapist 3 hours a week.

Great that you can put a positive spin on your experience but let's not blithely suggest that it's just a matter of effort or perspective. As if child abuse is good for some people and not for others.It's like saying Arsenic is good for some people because they recover from it instead of dying. Congratulations on overcoming trauma AND a drug problem if that's what you did but let's not give Straight the credit. The fact that you think that this abusive therapy deserves any credit for your success or happiness makes me think that you are not fine.

And frankly you might think you're perfectly fine and may even have your act legitimately together BUT should you ever suffer any kind of trauma you might learn differently. Because the coping skills we learned in Straight are not exactly healthy ones. And they're crisis related so hey sometimes no crisis no problem. But who gets to go through life without any crisis? It's amazing how much of that experience can be stored in your subconcious, dormant until your brain determines you have an emergency that requires that long repressed, seemingly discarded skill set.


  :skull:

The function of the press is very high. It is almost holy. It ought to
serve as a forum for the people, through which the people may know freely what is going on. To misstate or suppress the news is a breach of trust.
--Mr. Justice Brandeis

[animals all of us]

I still laugh at all the Anonymous postors who say that Straight was good for them.  They still haven't learned or gotten over or around the way Straight actually taught them to lie and play headgames and kiss ass to everyone.  It really takes alot of time to get beyond such indignance against people.  It takes more time for some than others.

[whiterabbit]

They have not awakened yet. But they will. Maybe because of a crisis or even just reading the stories here. Remembering. Or having a small problem that when probed turns out to be a giant one. All that straight stuff, those coping mechanisms the things we internalized without even knowing it are just sitting there.Waiting. Dormant not gone. I know. I thought I was fine. But fine is relative you know. Sometimes you don't know that you're sick unless you can remember being well.  

Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism--how passionately I hate them!
--Albert Einstein

[Anonymous]

It's amazing to me how everyone seems to speak for me. I do not credit Straight for much of anything accept a couple things. They kept me in a place where I could not get drugs or booze for a long ass time and the sorda in a fucked up way introduced me to the real recovery program in which a person goes to because they want to. The pain and suffering that I had gone through and still sometimes go through as a result of Straight and other reasons from my life I have been able to grow and cope from things that I learn and learned in AA not Straight.

I was way fucked way before I ever made it to Straight so , to me  at that time was just another chapter of my own hell. I didn't like it there, shit was wrong and i am sure I did shit wrong to. Once I was in there I really didn't have to many choices at age 14......my whole point was this, I have a choice now as to what I do.

Don't assume that my ass didn't sit in therapy and that I didn't and don't go through pain at times as a possible result of certain things from Straight. There have been times in my sober life that I wanted to die more then anything else and two things have gotten me thru them times..God and AA. So, those of you that wanna call me a brainwashed Jack Off, go ahead I guess if it makes you feel better.

The only thing I am talking about here is my own personal experience. When I personally look back at my life and wish things would have been different....I think of shit that I did before I was placed in Straight. Again, that's just me and I also realize that a huge portion of people that was in Straight hardly did weed or anything  and went thru a horrible hell beyond anything I can imagine and I pray that especially those people can find the help to ease the pain. I wish you all well even to the ones that want to bash me.

My intent was never to promote the actions of Straight or to harm anyone here, just to share a little of my own personal experience.

[whiterabbit]

Glad for you to share your personal experience. The "straight worked for some" comes across though as"maybe some people needed that". Or the "look at where I am now" kind of crap that spouted by people who are still brainwashed, denying the truth of the whole experience. Don't mean to slam you but it hits a note with me because I was one of them. I used to say things like that. Without really understanding what was going on in my head.
Just wanted to make sure you're not still drinking the Kool Aid. :wave:

If the natural tendencies of mankind are so bad that it is not safe to permit  people to be free, how is it that the tendencies of these organizers are always good?  Do not the legislators and their appointed agents also belong to the human race?

--Frederic Bastiat -- 1801-1850

[animals all of us]

Anonymous,

I do not differentiate you from the other hecklers who post here who refuse to stay known.  If you do not care to tell us you are different by giving an email or a separate Identification name, then you are the one and only, as always, Anonymous that has bothered these forums for the last couple of years.  

As it is ever asked:  Why won't you identify yourself?  Why do you bother making those who are attempting to heal - out to be something worth your talking to?  

Sincerely, you are either lonely or you are looking for someone to relate to about your experience at Straight Inc.  Why don't you  go tell someone who gives a         about your wonderful Straight experience?  

Seriously, again, why do you think of or bother coming to a forum where there exist people you know have disabilities, suicides, and other fuckedupness because of the place you think was so great?  

Are you trying to find people like yourself?  I know you have not found them.  Maybe you could start up a website of your own and suck up some more.  Are you 'reaching out' to others to try and change them or something - or soften the blow of what happened in Straight for others?  

What is your intention?  Lets really talk about this, otherwise you choose, even though you owe noone an explanation, to remain in the belittling shadows that have kept such large issues of child rape and molestation, organized crime, and other horror filled problematic situations from coming to light?  Really, what are you really doing here or like what the fuck do you think you're trying to prove?  I really just don't understand why a person would do what you are doing if you are trying to make yourself look good.  You really are confused, and I know I'm not the only one who thinks it.  

That you pretend to care little for what others think when you post on a site where people gather who agree that they want to heal from past abuses and that you dont' want them to believe you were in the same place as they were - is kinda pointless and ignorant of you.  But, the way your write tells alot about you, unless you are not being honest but somehow manipulative in the first place (which would continue to indicate that you have yet to be real with yourself and the world about what happened at Straight Inc) and I know by the way your write that you are thinking about your actions no matter how emotionally defensive or how 'cool' you want to make yourself out to be.  

Next time, 'anonymous', try picking a forum where others are not trying to change through healing but really care to listen to banter and wasted efforts of forceful denial.  If you hadn't seen it already, most of those who do come here really dont' hang out together (if they haven't sold out yet and take money from factions) or chit chat about Straight (especially those who did choose to grow away from or for straight or not and are no longer confused) like it was suddenly spiritual and enlightening except that life sucks.

I would say get help fast man and that I am aware that you are about to have a huge awakening and something bad is going to happen to you, but you know this in your heart; your tired heart.

[Scarstruck]

On 2004-08-05 15:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have been sober now for more then 16 years and am far from being a "zombie" and for the most part am pretty damn happy with my life. It is not perfect nor am I and I struggle with shit just like anyone, but as you know yourself it's up to us as individuals to what we choose to do with our lives and how far we want to recover. Do you still do the meeting thing? Glad to hear that your sober now. I have lost some real good friends to heroin."

Fuck you! What drugs did you do ? Huh smoke weed everyday...do coke when you could here and there? Acid? Bah!
 You wouldnt know a real drug problem if I injected it in your neck...

 If you are like 90 % of kids from straight you had no drug problem...and were brainwashed to say "Im an addict"..

 Im sorry...but it burns me up when you assholes talk like you understand what the fuck I went through...
 Have you ever kicked methadone cold turkey in a cell laying in your own shit and vomit..with noone to give a fuck whether you pull through or not?
 Ever picked your girlfriend up off your bedroom floor blue and not breathing from an OD?


 Am I "Doing the meeting thing"?!?! Did you just really ask me that?!
  hah fuck off pal...go down to your little AA hall and tell them all to get fucked too.

 Dont try to relate to me with your little "I was an out of control teen but now Im 16 years sober" bullshit.
 You know nothing of addiction. Ever felt like your bones were grinding and burning from the marrow?
 You ever tried to shoot up while you are crying and vomiting your own stomach acid all over yourself?
 Ever drove to the dealers house at 5 am while hanging out the door puking bile up everywhere?



Didnt think so. How dare you patronize me.
Im not trying to sound like a badass...but you know...I guess as far as going thru hell goes...I am.


 Going to AA and calling yourself an addict...when you arent...then throwing in the face of a real drug addict how great you are doing and recovered 16 years is fucked up.

 No I dont know you...but can tell from what you posted you know Jack  shit about addiction...
 Your friends had heroin habits? Yah I bet...


 Go jerk yourself off about what a great recovery soldier you are..
 
 (SOunds like Im confronting you in group doesnt it? Thats the only way you zombies listen to anything)



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[Carmel]

Wow...you guys really got this Anon guy pegged...all from about 10 lines of post.  Impressive.  Scarstruck, did you ever stop to think that Anon was asking about the meetings under the pretense that he/she DIDNT go to them anymore and wondered if you did?  Think about it.

Blow them off Anon, I know you never said that you advocated Straight.  You were merely stating that you are still sober...which is admirable.  People here tend to mix up sobriety with continued program brainwashing.  They sometimes forget that there is an actual PROBLEM that underlies all the madness that was The Program.  Some people really do need to get help, and you have done so, I salute you.

And Animals, please dont harraunge about the Anon thing...not three or four days ago you were posting about how you sometimes post Anonymously on this forum for varied reasons.  I will quote if you like, but I dont think its necessary.  I could point out three or four posts in the last week that came from you under anonymous headings, your writing style is unmistakable.  ( I know Ginger is gonna smack me for that one, but its true in this case).  So lighten up.

You guys dont know shit from shinola about this person or what they stand for, mainly because he/she didnt say much of anything at all about it.  I am guilty myself of making assumptions sometimes, but this is just silly. Anon never said that Straight was good for them, or anyone else.....so please stop posting as if he/she were Satans Spawn. Yeesh!

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will [America's] heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.

--John Quincy Adams, Speech to the U.S. House of Representatives [July 4, 1821]

[ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2004-08-06 06:33 ]

[Carmel]

Quote from Animals regarding Anonymous posting on July 28th:

"I am not disdaining being anonymous. I just wonder what it is that stops you from revealing yourself.

One reason I do it in here is that I sometimes take the opposite viewpoint of others when topics are discussed. Because this ID Here is the survivor. I have found it beneficial to be anonymous and discuss the topics with others because it brings out their true points when they are not watching or blocking their intentions."

Maybe Anon is doing just this Animals.  Dont be a hypocrite.

[ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2004-08-06 06:39 ][ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2004-08-06 06:42 ]

[Antigen]

On 2004-08-03 22:31:00, Scarstruck wrote:

I accomplished more as a heroin addict than

I did my whole time in straight. How Ironic..

You're not the only one. Meet Dr. Halstead, world renowned surgeon and closet junkie.

Black markets will always be with us. But they will recede in importance when our public morality is consistent with our private one.


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