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I found this poem that I write while I was at CEDU please re
« on: August 03, 2004, 02:15:00 AM »
In this place of sorrows and fears my soul stands by quivering near. My heart beating so slow as if it were on ice. "The cup is half full" mantra will not sufice. Good can conquer evil you may say. But battling evil sacrafices many good to my dismay, the souls of good children were taken. May they not be forsaken.


                by, ELT

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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2004, 02:16:00 AM »
sorry gramatical error poem that i wrote*
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2004, 12:36:00 PM »
wow that poem is really deep!
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2004, 09:40:00 PM »
To the anonymous poster,

I was amazed by your poem.  Oftentimes, I think that real poetry (not just limericks or common rhymes that pass for poetry) expresses a person's true experience.
 
The ambivalence in your writing is obvious.  So is the implication of the admitted imperfection of any possible solution for parents who have marred the experience of a childhood, by misdirection of interest, or by frank neglect.

I hope that you write further and that you post here.
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2004, 12:41:00 AM »
We hate you, Ottowa
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2004, 02:19:00 AM »
I don't hate you, Ottawa. I do, however, feel that you are a smug, superior, naive person. You try to come off as an expert, but your schooling is poor and your logic thin. You are offensive to these young people and some of the paretnts, as well. Your silly attempt to pretend to be your younger son was transparent and immature. Please stop posting the offensive things that you do. What is the point? Don't you have better things to do?

It has been suggested that you print out all of your emails and show them to your adviser. You probably have not done so, as it would expose how you've lost all objectivity and gone off the deep end here.

It has been said here that you look on these posts like a person with a personality disorder. You do. You just do. Plain and simple. Of course, you are offended by that and like to make threats, but the facts are what they are. It's the way you look. Get some help.
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2004, 09:24:00 AM »
Any other readers of this site who wrote poetry about some part of their emotional growth experience or other parts of the program experience should consider posting it here.

I know several kids who did write at different stages of the process and some of it was really beautiful.

If you don't want to identify yourself you can always post anonymounsly. There are probably others besides me and perhaps the person who posted the great poem a few posts back on this Topic who would like to see what you created.
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2004, 12:45:00 PM »
Hey All! I was not sure where to post this so I figuer here was as good as any. Anyway...
I read in a post by Anonymous that he thought my mom was posing as her son. The only thing I could think was that he was referring to me. Well sorry buddy Im her daughter.  Did it ever accuer to you people that she could have more then one kid??? Your real bright I tell you what.
As for my creadibility of beening on this site I was effect by CEDU, my brother went from comeing home high on LSD to having a real life (thanks to CEDU). Also, if Im the imatuer kid and my mother is as one person called her a ?raving bitch? then why is it that we do not have to sreaw oe post very articulate post like the "I hate Ottawa" one? And what are a group of ?adults? doing on at 1am in the morning?
Oh, I went back to read some old post to see what you ment about my mother being off the deep end. I was very puzzled with what I found. She seemed to be trying to find out more information on CEDU while everyone else attacked her because her views where different. Even when she complmented someone on there poetry you people attack her!!!
 I also found that she was a bit more articulate then some of the people on this site for example: Bryan (please learn a new word aside from the f word) I found her being attack in many different ways she was called ?condescending? ?demanding? ?Raving Bitch? and one person even went so far as to accuse her of witness tampering and used a very ?mature? mamma joke.
Let me break down what she was saying in laymans terms for you people
1.)   I want to know more about CEDU then I already do.
2.)   I know that CEDU need to be improved apon
3.)    I recognize that some had very bad experice there due to miss placement and unqualified staff
4.)   I don?t not work for nor have I ever worked for CEDU in anyway shape or form.
Well, I guess you just did not read her post carfully enough or mabey she used to big of word for you people. Here's a web that might help http://www.dictionary.com (I don?t own it but have used it before for school projects and stuff it very help full)
Here how I see it. You all sit around and reconfirm what you all think ?I hate CEDU. They eat babies and sacrifice virgins? or some junk like that. (btw just so you know that part was sarcastic) Then when just one person says ?hey CEDU was not that bad? you freak.
P.S. Could some one please tell me what threats my mother made? Cuz frankly I cant find any!
Cant wait to here from everyone!!!
[ This Message was edited by: Ottawa2 on 2004-08-06 09:50 ][ This Message was edited by: Ottawa2 on 2004-08-06 09:51 ]
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2004, 01:16:00 PM »
blah blah blah blah blah....
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2004, 03:56:00 PM »
I am questionning the wisdom of responding to you but what the heck.  I can't speak for other people at this site, but the reason I was upset by O5's posts was because she seemed to refute cases where CEDU violated ethics and promoted blatant therapeutic abuses.  Also, the school was often dishonest in how they represented both themselves and the kids to parents.  Academics were substandard and the staff was unqualified.  O5 glossed over these issues.  How would you feel if you told of abuses done to you and the person acted as if it never happended, it was all in your head?  The thing is many of us are adults now, and we know darn well that it did happen.

The other thing was that O5 was definitely smug and condescending, and this is demeaning to us all.  She is not the expert in anything but her own experience.

Now, I can appreciate how you would appreciate that your brother changed for the better after CEDU. I'm not going to argue w/that.

As far as feeling threatened by your mother, I think many of us did not appreciate her threatening legal action against one of the posters (I forget who.) It felt like some pro-CEDU contigency was trying to silence us, and we already had enough of that.  Also, it seemed a little unfair as her posts seemed as skewed as anyone else's  I read.  

Understandably, you would not like the more abusive posts that happen at this site with lots of swearing and name-calling. I find it unsettling as well although I did call someone a moron the other day.

And to everyone else, I don't think it's O5 posing because of syntax, wording, structure etc.
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2004, 06:12:00 PM »
Our mistake. We thought she said she had two sons.

Read her posts here:

http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php

You are her daughter, and probably do not have objectivity. You may be she, however, writing differently. I wonder, as her posts are so vigorous in their devense of CEDU and she's so worked up. She does not IN ANY WAY read like a psychotherapist. She does look like a fanatic. Sorry, but she does.

Her vigorous defense of CEDU is based on her experience, only. She blows off the rest of us and our experiences. She is very condescending and insulting, really. She has been making legal threats? What is up with that? Why would she do such a thing?

If you truly are her daughter, don't waste your time here trying to defend her or change our impression of her. She has made a terrible impression. Despite what she says, despite her arrogant claims to be educated in psychology, she writes as a person with borderline personality disorder would. Intense arguments, deep involvement in defending herself. If she were mentally and emotionally healthy, we would not see these things.

If she sees this post, she will post some angry response about how inappropriate and unethical I'm being or some other such rubbish. This is absolutely false, and I'm sick and tired of her accusations. There is nothing unethical, illegal, nor wrong in any way to say that someone looks like some particular diagnosis in their writing.

If you stay in these posts, people will attack you because many of us do not believe Ottawa5. She has lost all credibility.

If you have the backbone to, ask her to print out ALL of her posts (she has said she printed ours out when she was making legal threats last week or so) and show them to her faculty members at school. Believe me, if she goes to a decent school, they WILL be alarmed. There is clearly something wrong with her - she spends hours and hours writing long diatribes against us and making threats. She's supposed to be busy? When I was writing my thesis - and later, my doctoral thesis - I sure didn't have time for such as this!

If she's going to some private school, and it's not an ivy league institution, they might not have the salt to tell her. However, at a major state university or at Yale, I can tell you, they would have her up in the dean's office talking to her about her mental health.

This post may hurt you, and that's why I suggest you just leave these alone. Your mom has stomped around, written long, long posts, and offended everyone here. She does not care... and she certainly alarms me as a potential therapist! Why is she here? What is she trying to accomplish? The only thing that seemed to stop her pages and pages of posts was the bet we had going speculating how many zillion more words she would write to defend herself.

She looks far too defensive to be considered mentally healthy. You'll realize this by the time you're 30 - unless, of course, you are she...
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2004, 12:10:00 PM »
Well I'm not 30 yet, and I sure as hell realized
that Ottawa 5 is fucking nuts!
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2004, 01:55:00 PM »
Back to the poem.

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In this place of sorrows and fears my soul stands by quivering near. My heart beating so slow as if it were on ice. "The cup is half full" mantra will not sufice. Good can conquer evil you may say. But battling evil sacrafices many good to my dismay, the souls of good children were taken. May they not be forsaken.


by, ELT


It's a beautiful poem. I know just what you're talking about when you say "my soul stands by quivering near".  

I think the visual image you describe might be roughly the same as one I used to try and keep my grip. It was a mental image of a little brass box, sort of like a small treasure chest, that I kept in a dark back corner of my mind. It was where I kept hidden my real thoughts and feelings while I went about playing the role I had to play to avoid consequences and, eventually, get out.

Other people have described it as a room.

"the souls of good children were taken. May they not be forsaken."

I don't see anything ambivalent about it. And I must have missed the "implication of the admitted imperfection of any possible solution for parents." Am I dense? Was that poem about the poor, put-upon parents?

Did you worry that someone might find that poem? I would have been (I wasn't in CEDU, I was in Straight, Inc.) I think, if I took the risk of writing down anything as real as that at all, I would have probably prepared a cover story about how it was all about my past (pre-program).

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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2004, 11:48:00 PM »
I would like to apologize to the writer of the poem below. In my last post I did not even mention it. I really like that poem and I hope that you post more in the futur. I would love to read more of your work!
See ya all later :wave:
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2004, 11:49:00 PM »
Sorry this is ottawa2 I posted under my moms name by acsident
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