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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2004, 12:46:00 AM »
I was refering to my older son who spent 6 months with some very sadistic human beings in a military facility.

Three years later, I was dealing with a terribly hurt young man at home and my younger son was sent to do 9 months at a different, religious, military facility; followed by 20 months at a therapeutic facility. Not ONE crisis, not ONE mess to clean up, but two happening simultaneously. There were days that I didn't think I'd get through it. I did so with not 'a little help' but a whole lot of help from friends and family.

All three facilities were similar and different in distinct ways. My older son did endure more physical abuse. The emotional abuse was fairly equal at all three.

The marine academy my older son attended settled with 50 some plantiffs last year. My younger son's dorm officer is serving 95 years for molesting the boys in his care. The facility had another molestation case recently. We've taken no action against the third. But, that's three stikes. How can it be possible that out of three placements, three seperate facilties, they were all horrendously bad experiences? My conclusion is that they're all abusive, in different and varying degrees. Most parents just never hear about it.

And then there was my neighbor's son who died in a wilderness program, after ample warning of the dangers. And a business associate's grandson who was molested at a baptist boarding school. And my best friend who was shipped off to Roloff gulag, ran and was raped by a trucker- she swears it was less traumatic. And I used to feel sorry for my friends whose wealthy parents sent them away to traditional boarding schools. Little did I know what that industry was being morphed into. I got all the education would could possibly desire.  

The marine military academy used all the same rhetoric, "they're lying manipulators'. I never bought it but the others did, UNTIL a young man's throat was cut in the night. Parents then took notice and listened to what their kids were saying. Calls weren't monitored at either military facility, btw. They all attempted to prevent visitation. The military facilities relented when I sent them a letter reminding them (I'm sure they knew), that my court ordered rights superceeded their policies.

None of us ever 'came to terms' with it. We endured the very best we could, and kept our focus on the future, which was damned hard at time. Sometimes there was nothing else to do but cry. I fought it and supported them the best I could, realizing that the real work would begin when they returned.

Because I'd always had a close and open relationship with the boys, they knew I was not party to the decision. They also knew that none of their extended family supported it. I think that's what they hung on to- the assurance that they had one reasonable parent. I do think that makes a difference. And I can only imagine how it must feel to have both parents supporting the abuse.

There aren't words to describe how I felt when my younger son was placed four states away, over a weekend. I assumed he was at the military school and I'd see him on the weekend. I got a call on a Monday morning from a perfect stranger, laying out the 'way it would be' for the next 20 months. It was the closest I'd ever come to wanting to hurt someone. My first thought was, "The f*** you say. Where is my son? I'm on my way". Given the nature of the beast, I decided it was in my best interest to try to reason with the arrogant ***. It didn't work. Dealing with PhD psych 'professionals' was very different than the military boys. The psychs were unrelenting, unreasonable, manipulating, arrogant, shameless liars. A very real threat. Despite my best efforts to contain the rage I felt, their head shrinkydink did eventually label me 'adversarial'- not supportive of the 'treatment' my son 'needed', and falsely accused me of 'disrupting the ENTIRE campus', and threatened my with a lawsuit.

It was the most frustrating and humiliating experience- like living in a nightmare that lasted 6 years. One I could never have imagined possible. I'm sure I am in a small percentage of parents, in that I did not support any of the placements.

Having taken some psych/counseling courses the whole setup of the 'program' was confusing beyond comprehension. They claimed to be a therapeutic facility, yet their behavior was no better, and in some instances far worse, than either of the military facilities. Their 'counseling' or 'therapy' was like noting I'd ever experienced or read about- except for the misuse of BM. It didn't take long to realize that these folks were in it for the money. They had no vested interest in my son. They diagnosed him on the spot- unetical. Never asked me for MY perception of my child or what OUR relationship was like. (I wasn't writing the check) They may as well have been holding my son hostage for $5000 a month ransom.

My ex is pretty out-to-lunch on these kind of matters. He has lots of money and connections, and not a lick of common sense. After the grief I put the first two facilities through, I imagine he hoped I'd support the later placement. Afterall, I was in a counseling program. He has declined to read my older son's evaluation, which was a necessary evil, required by his attorney for the lawsuit. Other than disagreeing with some of their treatment recommendations, I completely concurred with the analysis.

The boys don't talk to their dad about their experiences. They both know it is pointless, he just can't go there. I know that if he'd show any interest, it would go along way toward them 'coming to terms with it', as you say. They are much stronger and wiser than he, and know it. I can rest assured, their children will never be sent away. The cycle of 'families of origin scattering like pool balls', to use Ginger's analogy, will end with their generation. To my ex's defense, he wasn't raised in a close family. We view the world very differently, and he is not fully to blame for his lack of connection.

I appreciated this comment: "I escaped CEDU after 6 months and was still (unconsciously) trying to live "in agreement." Worse, I judged everyone else by that same code which only isolated me."

That's a good summary statement of what happens to kids in programs. Those few words speak volumes. It's equivalent to, or perhaps worse than, living with a religious fanatic parent who instills the fear of god- the all knowing one who is watching and judging your every thought and action. It's like a monkey on your back, until you figure out you can knock the SOB off. One is conditioned to abuse themselves. That's the way oppression works. When you oppress someone long enough, they internalize it and begin to treat themselves badly. External control is no longer necessary. Sick, I say, sick. And they pride themselves in being "HELPERS". The question is, whose helpers?
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2004, 11:19:00 AM »
That is an unbelievable story, Deborah. Totally heartbreaking. What blows my mind, too, is the absolute lack of rights you had as a parent.  How dare they?! I don't know how you keep your head from exploding when dealing with your ex. Do you think your children will ever write a letter or have a meeting with him to vent their anger?

I always wanted to--as an adult--talk to some of the staff as a catharsis. They can't jerk me around now, I'm not helpless.
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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2004, 02:24:00 PM »
Could've fooled me. Sounds like you're trying to rationalize what goes on and defend the programs. If you want to collect information then collect it, don't try to challenge what is being said. When you have everything from everyone you can look at the whole.

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On 2004-08-02 20:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Are you kidding me--I went there! I'm shanlea, original poster. And I was listing scenarios, not narrating yours.



At the end of the day, even though some people would say "get over it"  I am just trying to figure out the impact CEDU had on me.  I'm trying to discern what is my own lifelong baggage, and what areas CEDU really left its own ugly imprint.  



I never talked about CEDU in all the years since I've been out, never went back to the same school or friends... I don't think anyone who hasn't been through a BM school would understand the insidious ways it affects you... Noone I know was ever sent to a BM School.  I remember trying to explain it to a few people and it was beyond their grasp. But as much as I pretended I never went there, it affected me.



This site allows me to explore that. Reading other people's posts is validating, and in some ways, it helps me articulate what I'm feeling. It is helpful to see commonalities amongst us (and some of the testimony from other sites w/similar programs.)

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« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2004, 03:22:00 PM »
You are reading the posts wrong. There is no rationalization. There is also nothing wrong with trying to understand...

This is too funny.  I spent a boatload of time trying to get a pro-CEDU poster to understand that these programs are harmful and unethical and YOU think I'm rationalizing!

We all have our own shit regardless of whether we went through a program or not. On top of that, these programs do quite a number on many of us and compound existing issues. That is what I'm trying to understand.

Since CEDU, I have had difficulties in some areas and I was just trying to figure out if this is common with others.
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« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2004, 03:52:00 PM »
I'm sure not interested in your opinion about my situation since you know virtually nothing about me. I'm not trying to tell you that your problems were or were not caused by CEDU am I?
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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2004, 04:15:00 PM »
I'm not giving my opinion about your situation. Why would I or should I? But this is a forum for discussion and I was just raising questions.  Other people's stories have been enormously helpful to me. That's all.
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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2004, 10:03:00 PM »
I suffered panic attacks after working at Boulder Creek Academy - over a year and they still creep up on me henever I am placed in social situations that require conformity to avoid being ejected.

I stay out of those situations now - and I'm a therapist.
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2004, 10:17:00 AM »
at cedu, my defiance and sense of individuality were made much stronger.  i learned a lot about people; i was motivated to pay more attention to the subtleties of my human encounters... i'm now incredibly observant, and i'm great at figuring people out, which helps me in more ways than i could possibly imagine; cedu helped me to take my manipulative skills to a new level.
you take what you want to from things in your life; a lot of people want to get wrapped up in the "trauma" of painful experiences.  maybe you were traumatized because you realized how fucked up things can really be... at least you've been more closely acquainted with mundane reality now, which can help you cope with the rest of your life.   i don't know the best way for each of you to turn your "trauma" into strength, but i'd highly recommend that you figure it out.

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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2004, 02:09:00 AM »
I'm on top of my game yo
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2004, 02:11:00 AM »
i'm no muh fukkin small fry how i change that isht
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uz u ain\'t got the balls

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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2007, 12:40:05 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2007, 01:11:53 PM »
Wow, Tamm. This was when I was really searching, trying to divine what was pre-CEDU related BS and post-CEDU related BS. Right after I found this site.

I've developed a keener understanding of CEDU's effects.  A lot of it was clarified reading some earlier threads in the SEED program, when I kept saying "A-ha! That's it!"

I think there were so many inner disturbances caused by CEDU, and looking back it either compounded existing issues EXPONENTIALLY, or created new ones.  What CEDU really excelled at was making you feel like 100% unworthy piece of shit; re-writing your personal story so you lose touch with your true identity, thus disrupting the trajectory of your life; and not even close to last, facilitating a limited ability to connect with others because 1. you are brainwashed with false values that no one can live up to (subconsciously), and 2. you disconnect from people. You are there in body, but not spirit. Why give anyone the opportunity to learn all your secrets and vulnerabilities only to misuse them later? On the other hand, maybe you give all your vulnerabilities on a platter straightaway, as per CEDU's conditioning.
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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2007, 06:13:27 PM »
"What CEDU really excelled at was making you feel like 100% unworthy piece of shit; re-writing your personal story so you lose touch with your true identity, thus disrupting the trajectory of your life; and not even close to last, facilitating a limited ability to connect with others"

Well said.....
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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2007, 08:39:29 PM »
Interesting conversation with mom today...

We talked CEDU. Now, when I discuss this with mom, which is rarely, I *really* have to stroke her and make her feel like it wasn't her fault, or else the conversation will be over before it starts. And in a lot of ways, it wasn't her fault. It wasn't her fault that the people at CEDU treated me the way they did. It's not like there was any way she could have found out. What I do fault them with is the decision to solve this problem the way they did. But of course, I will never tell her that.

So I'm trying really hard to keep this in mind, when finally she says "Do you talk about anything but yourself?"

Interesting she should complain about self-absorption, due to the fact that CEDU was what fostered that in me. Granted, I've always been on the solipsist side, but CEDU sure didn't help.

Despite the fact that I am indeed self-absorbed, I still told her that that was a very mean thing to say.
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« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2007, 12:39:03 PM »
When I went to CEDU, I was desperate. I was not oppositional or defiant or on drugs, but I was depressed, underachieving, and desperately unhappy. In addition, I had a few traumatic experiences right before CEDU. My parents told me they were taking me there and I myself wanted help. So I didn't fight it.

As it turns out, CEDU was absolutely the wrong place for me, and I've listed many reasons on other posts. The root of the problem was never uncovered, and the staff were not honest in their dealings with me or my parents. I really did need help but CEDU did not provide it. I wasn't a liar or a manipulator or a drug addict and I didn't appreciate being treated like one. Also the bullying and the taunts and the weird lingo were not helpful at all. If anyone had treated me like an individual or directed treatment in a way to fortify your self esteem instead of tearing it down, it would have helped. I also needed better schooling than the joke that was offered as academics. (This may have changed over the past 10+ years--I hope so.)
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