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« on: July 14, 2004, 09:51:00 PM »
i am a new and current cedu employee. what information do you think that i should have?
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2004, 10:19:00 PM »
ummm... read through some of these threads for info; there's tons.

my 2 cents:  cedu uses a standardized approach to treat students; that's very half-assed... (would you choose to go see a half assed doctor?  what about if you were forced to go see one?  perhaps a labotomist..)  therapy is about developing a personal relationship through which the therapist can help the patient, not push the patient to adopt a particular moral code that CANNOT be deviated from.  people need to find their own answers.  cedu is not about therapy, it's about discipline.

what do you think of it so far?
why are you working there?

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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2004, 10:39:00 PM »
half-assed is not a term that i lends credence to your story. please be more specific with your concerns so that i can understand what you are trying to say.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2004, 12:13:00 AM »
Be honest with yourself.  Do you really think these raps and propheets are therapeutic?  You don't see the unrelenting verbal/mental abuse?  Do you REALLY think these sessions are helpful for people with low self esteem, anxiety, and other disorders?  You don't see how the staff and culture encourages bullies to get ahead?  Intimidation to keep you conformed (not in a good way).  Do you really thnk the academic standards allow you to keep up to grade level when you're out?  You don't think its odd that CEDU is such an insulated environment with so many arbitrary bans and the outside world off-limits that students can easily reintegrate into the real world?  Don't you think it's odd that anytime someone has a problem w/the staff or culture they are deemed "manipulative" or liars?  Is everone a con artist? I didn't go there b/c I was a liar; in fact, I always answered a question honestly regardeless of the consequences before I went to CEDU. CEDU manipulates every situation into a bigger drama so you believe you are a slut if you had sex once (or even, never) and a druggie if you ever smoked pot.  I easily gave up experimental use of drugs months before CEDU and never went back, yet the minute staff found out I ever used it, they had their "story."  They blew it up and manipulated my folks with it.  While I didn't get blown away in raps, very few instances had real merit.  How do I know?  Because the situations would be baseless--as in never happened.  But asserting the truth gets you nowhere.  In fact, they only way to get promoted is to say you are worthless, did stuff you did or DID NOT ever do, and have facilitated "breakthroughs" after being mentally badgered for hours.  Do you know how many people confessed to stuff they never even did just to get the staff leaders off their back?  Why do they need to monitor your letters and calls to your parents?  

I don't know if its still the same way but a lot of our supposed "success" in the program was because we were so physically drained from the physical labor and emotionally drained from the fear-inducing atmosphere and over-emotionality of the raps that we exhausted in submission.  Also, the program was so super structured but it couldn't be maintained at home.  Last, many of us say the asme thing: we weren't prepared for the real world on any level--academically, socially, emotionally--when we got out.  

So, then, what is the point? It's just a 2.5 year holding tank.  

PS:  What about the TOTAL lack of therapeutic boundaries between staff and students?
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2004, 11:15:00 AM »
Whatever person wrote that at RMA/CEDU the counselors badgered people and made stories to harp on and relay to the parents is absolutely right. Not even the slightest exaggeration there. I was a pain in the ass and I got it worse. I didn't realize that it was just 2or 3 years. I thought it was for forever. I am upset at the prospect of being abandoned by the program after I finished it. The realization that I was just a dollar amount. Upset that after the "punishment" my parents expected me to be the scared, brainwashed, hyper sensitive drone that they had paid for. While I was waking from my RMA induced stupor I was saddened and shocked to learn that my parents STILL did not know who I was but now neither did I. They wanted what they paid for. plain and simple. I couldn't give them that because I would have needed to remain dependent on the life scenario they gave us. It is impossible becuase that is not the way people are. People do not treat eachother so fakely as they do at CEDU. I love you I hate you is torture to a teen. They harped on this the most. Conforming meant non abuse. In their model this is love. Non conforming meant death/ expulsion/ or unbearable pschological torture. Yah, I'm much better now. I trust people...like my government and the people making laws. The people who try to "help" me, my parents who make me feel guilty for "wasting" all their money those years ago. Thanks RMA for ruining almost every aspect of my life. Oh. and that huge confidence boost you gave me. I wish I had burned down that place as a voyaguer. I wouldn't have run from the fire if it were now. I resent that place hugely. And so. on some level I am there forever. They killed and buried the child who went there. They created what they needed to convince the parents to keep sending the money. That's all that matters. "Make the kid say he loves and needs us for the last year and we are home free". Fuck you CEDU. I wish you were one person. I don't know Mel so I can't be glad he's dead. Besides, I know his daughters.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2004, 11:47:00 AM »
fuck mel, fuck his daughters,fuck his sons, his grand kids, his friends, and and his pets!!!  i'm glad that criminal piece of shit is dead. As for the cedu staff sheep who started this forum, by now i'm sure that you've worked there long enough to see that KIDS ARE ABUSED THERE!!! and if you can't see that, then your really not worth any more of our time.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2004, 11:51:00 AM »
I got out of there and became a skinhead just because of Wasserman. His own people oughta keep a better eye on those like him. He gave them a bad name.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2004, 12:11:00 PM »
if you want to help a child, you have to get to know the child and figure out the most effective way to communicate.
taking a standardized approach is like taking a unfamiliar shortcut; you don't know where the other end is.  every child is different and needs to be treated accordingly.  to many, harsh, confrontational therapy can destructive because they do not have the right mindframe for it.  for some, perhaps it does help.
that's the thing; when you're dealing with a standardized approach, most of the time, it's not going to give you the results you want, because not everybody fits that mold.
so, when trying to treat a child, you need to consider their particular mold (and help them to understand it as well,) and then figure out the rest from there.
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2004, 12:17:00 PM »
use the responses in this thread as an example of what cedu did wrong...
these people clearly felt as if they were mistreated, and this is their response to it.  remember, there are tons of kids at the school right now saying things about setting the school on fire, hurting staff members, running away, how much damage to be caused once they leave.  some of them might be hiding it so well that it would shock you... these are the kids that leave cedu with the most intense cases of PTSD, i think... repression leads to aggression.
and then there are others, like i was... they'd say those things right to your face.  people like me were few and far between.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2004, 12:19:00 PM »
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"I got out of there and became a skinhead just because of Wasserman. His own people oughta keep a better eye on those like him. He gave them a bad name."
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Life is a very wonderful thing.\' said Dr. Branom... \'The processes of life, the make- up of the human organism, who can fully understand these miracles?... What is happening to you now is what should happen to any normal healthy human organism...You are being made sane, you are being made healthy.
     \'That I will not have, \' I said, \'nor can understand at all. What you\'ve been doing is to make me feel very very ill.\'
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2004, 12:22:00 PM »
You cannot blame that on RMA. If you bacame a skinhead it's because you are subhuman. You deserve to teach at RMA. Up Yours. I'll kick your cracker ass. RMA taught me that.
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Life is a very wonderful thing.\' said Dr. Branom... \'The processes of life, the make- up of the human organism, who can fully understand these miracles?... What is happening to you now is what should happen to any normal healthy human organism...You are being made sane, you are being made healthy.
     \'That I will not have, \' I said, \'nor can understand at all. What you\'ve been doing is to make me feel very very ill.\'
                         -Anthony Burgess
                      A Clockwork Orange

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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2004, 01:11:00 PM »
Anytime punk. Many have tried.
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2004, 04:12:00 PM »
Open your dumb fucking eyes!!  

They hired you because they think you are easily manipulated.

They only hire those who fit their mold.

Apparently, they liked you.

If you can't see what's wrong with the place, then in my opinion, you are just the piece of shit that CEDU looks for in their loyal employees.
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2004, 04:25:00 PM »
amen to that bryan! if cedu thought that this guy was anything other than a mindless sheep, they never would have let him past the front door.

hey cedu sheep, BAAHAHAHA!!!  go shave your ass and make a coat or something!

And by the way, SKINHEADS ARE PUSSIES!!![ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-07-15 13:26 ][ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2004-07-15 13:27 ]
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2004, 11:33:00 PM »
i said mel was a liar and thief and no one there understood  he was in such denial that he would accuse the victims of abusing him and he would say he was the victim. the place was full of followers who did not care that he was a con man because the state was sending em. the excuse given for why he was such a liar was that he changes his mind a lot. he would steal and then blame somebody else. the rest would lie for them so they could get paid and they were selfish and only cared about the cult that right it was a cult that said they were a school so they could con everyone.
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