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« on: June 19, 2004, 01:45:00 AM »
My Grand Daughter was sent to a place called Casa by the sea in Mexico by her parents.  I'm currently trying to get her home.  This boot camp is run by World Wide Association of Specialty Programs.  I need help!  I would appreciate anything or any information that could help get this ugly organization put out of business. Contact: autumn@gbncentral.com
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2004, 02:13:00 AM »
Contact ISAC (www.isaccorp.com). They can give you more information about WWASP, and may be able to help you get your granddaughter out of there.
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2004, 06:25:00 AM »
Be careful. They hate having bad media about them, often try to get partial custody of the child - and if you pull out your kid you BETTER keep paying else you get used for not fulfilling contracutal obligations.

Plus they'll make up a billion lies to keep her in there.

Also, try to avoid a possible slander suit. They have the money to do such things. Your best bet is trying to un-brainwash their parents and point out how they controll ALL information going in and out, tell them not to believe her - and none of you know whats REALLY going on to your child/grandchild, do you?

And, naturally, here you'll prolly find someone *almost assuredly an anon* tell you we're all just liars (telling the same lie for like... oh... 20 years, and we're toally unrelated except for the same kind of program) and kids need to get humiliatd and beaten and trained into little stepford-wife like automatons. *sigh*

Good luck with trying to save your kid. Look into ISAC, and online there are several links to what really goes on, and how they work. A website thats investigating these programs that I found, http://www.askquestions.org/details.php?id=209 , has a wealth of information about this. You might want to consider emailing the editors there.

Good luck, and god speed! You're saving your daughter! Evil can only succeed if good men do nothing.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2004, 06:50:00 AM »
"Horror at Casa by the Sea".

http://www.libertarianrock.com/topics/t ... story.html

Sorry to be so adrupt about this, but this very well might be happening to your grandchild.

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2004, 08:16:00 AM »
If she's not been in long then the parents haven't either and you may be able to reason with them.
Gather your info and invite them over for dinner and present your case.
ISAC had tons of detailed and documented info.
Also you might want to check out a few other sites:

Very well done series on the wwasp programs.
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/des ... t-pg.shtml


Artical on Mind control. The parents should see this Before attending Discovery.
http://www.csj.org/studyindex/studymind ... lifton.htm

Open board for comment on various wwasp programs. A bit disorganised; but worth looking over. There are some post from Casa students.
http://www.voy.com/58570/

Site with some eye opening articals. Be sure to Read the parents account of Discovery.
http://www.intrepidnetreporters.com/Tee ... nhelp.html

A Casa student's web site on the realities as he experainced them.
http://abundantdomain.com/wwasp/omg.htm

Costa Rican news paper. Do a search on Dundee Ranch.
http://www.ticotimes.net/contact_us.htm

The New York Times ran a front page stroy on Casa last year. You ought to look it up as well. ISAC may have it posted. . .

Good Luck.
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2004, 10:11:00 AM »
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A Casa student's web site on the realities as he experainced them.
http://abundantdomain.com/wwasp/omg.htm[/]

Uh oh, do I see a quasi-referral to a certain faith-based program, here?  Karen???
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2004, 10:13:00 AM »
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A Casa student's web site on the realities as he experainced them.
http://abundantdomain.com/wwasp/omg.htm


Uh oh, do I see a quasi-referral to a certain faith-based program, here?  Karen???
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2004, 12:56:00 PM »
Please don't try and make this about KZ.
The site is about Casa by the Sea and the program they operate. It has nothing to do with anything else.
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2004, 01:12:00 PM »
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"Please don't try and make this about KZ.

The site is about Casa by the Sea and the program they operate. It has nothing to do with anything else. "


Gotcha! :wink:
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2004, 06:11:00 PM »
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On 2004-06-18 22:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"My Grand Daughter was sent to a place called Casa by the sea in Mexico by her parents.  I'm currently trying to get her home.  This boot camp is run by World Wide Association of Specialty Programs.  I need help!  I would appreciate anything or any information that could help get this ugly organization put out of business. Contact: autumn@gbncentral.com

JOHNNIE WILLIAMS

 
       


 


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Is your granddaughter 14 or older, and was she taken against her will?

If so, you may be able to contact your Congressman and get help getting contact to go down to Mexico and go out there with the ambassador and ask her if she wants to be repatriated to the US.

Children 14 or older have certain rights to be repatriated or not leave the country under certain conditions, even against their parents' wishes.

Contact an attorney for help with this, and have him/her check the law.

Also, if she's over 14 and they took her out of the US against her will, you may be able to parlay that into something seeking custody---especially if she'll tell a Court she wants to live with you instead of the parents.

You may be able to file a writ of Habeas Corpus with the Court and use it to make them produce her to hear what she wants.  It sounds odd, but some relatives have done this successfully.

Definitely do contact ISAC.

What I've heard about the situation at Casa would lead me to think that any child there could fairly be described as in immediate danger, and you don't want to let the grass grow under your feet on this.

When I talked to ISAC about someone else they said that the trick with a habeas corpus filing is you only get one shot and everything hs to be done exactly right.

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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2004, 11:05:00 PM »
Your Grand daughter may be in grave danger. Reports from survivors of Casa have been shocking.  Do your research - and show these things to her parents.  There was a 60 minutes presentation regarding this place and the experience of a 15-year old boy, Ryan Friedenburg(sp). You need to see this video - I'm not sure where it is found - but it is on-line.  One of the reasons WWASP has taken their programs out-of the country is to continue with their extremely abusive behavior modification techniques without the laws of the USA interfering. I believe Mexico has signed the treaty against cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment.

Best Wishes to you

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2004, 11:19:00 PM »
From: WWASP VICTIM (@ 12-246-124-72.client.attbi.com) on: Mon Jun 2 16:40:34 EDT 2003


I spent 5 months at casa by the sea, was physicallt beatin, and mentally destroyed. My parents were ripped off and were taken advatage of in a time of crisis. I was kidnapped, taken to mexico, and held for ransom for 5 months. Wwasp is a complete money scandal. The more kids they got, the more money comes in. The goal is to make the owner rich, sadly not to care for your kid. Go to ur local zoo, they treat the animals better there then wwasp facility's. Never once for 5 months i wasnt alloud to talk on the phone with my parents. Dundee ranch, one of wwasp facilty's, was just shut down 2 weeks ago and the owner was arrested and was detained in a costa rican jail for charges of abuse, and several other charges. Wwasp is known for its false advertisement and money grubbin scandal. The kids are not students, they are inmates. The united states treated convicted murders high class compared to what they treated me like. Several wwasp programs have been shut down for physical abuse. "paradise cove" was shut down cause they used cattle prods on kids. (sounds like paradise) Sunrise beach in mexico was shut down physical abuse, the owner fled mexico. High impact was shut down cause officals found kids in dogg cages. And now DUNDEE RANCH was just shut down for 4 different charges of abuse, dundee was raided by poilce and made the arrest of the owener. wwasp makes 65 million a year, if they want to help ur child so much why do the parents have to mortgage there homes? Take it from me, i was at casa by the sea for 5 months and am still affected by the torture they did to me. Hundreds of legal suits have been filed recently against wwasp. I personally was on the fron page of the NEW YORK TIMES less then 2 weeks ago. Several former owners admitted they had abused kids and would lock kids in isolation rooms days on end. If you are interested in truth, then you will surely be interested in the torture wwasp puts your kid through. This is one of those places that you would never imagine and would never be able to visualize. Cant speak your own language, cannot talk or see oppisite sexs, cannot talk with ur parents for years, cannot speak when u want, cannot talk to others, eat horrible food, watched by staff when you are goin to the bathroom, taking a shower. The amount of money these people are giving to wwasp, i feel they outta have there kids treated like kings and queens. Take that money and put it right back in your pocket, there are people who will REALY help you without making you morgage your home and hold ur kid in a different country for ransom. Girls have been raped at wwasp prisons. And we will never forget the young boy who died from the rotation of his neck that snapped from the adminstrator. WWASP sure has a bad reputation and is all falling down. These teens are people just like them, we have rights as a human being and we were stripped of our dignity, and treated like doggs in cages. WWASP has alot to hide and i dont know if the truth could be any more obvious. For some reason, thousands of other teens like me have been destroyed from wwasp. We kids have no reason to lie to anyone, but the pain we have been through is to much and we are willing to take some time and let anyone know what these people are realy about. The first day i was there, i spent 73 hours in casa's R & R chamber isolation room with my nose to the floor, and hands behind my back days on end, with only a couple 1 min bathroom breaks. The advertisement of wwasp makes me laugh. I find it incredibly humorous and sickening. Wow, you would almost have to be stupid to pay for your own kid to be kidnapped,taken abroad, and even pay for his abuse and torture while not even being able to talk to you on the phone for years. You would like to think you get what you pay for right? Well let me be me to assure you the money doesnt go into your childs well being. Your child is sleeping on a cement floor with 90 other kids in a hallway every night being watched by jo blo. Its very simple, your money doesnt go to your kid, It goes directly into the hands of the owner of wwasp. You arent buyin ur kid anything, you are paying for the owner's nice homes, sports cars, and expensive dinners, while your kid is in a different country rotting like an orphan. Your heart is in denial and somewhere deep down you fear the worst, well i guess its god's turn to let you know this is the worst. By being involved with wwasp, you are supporting kidnaps, rape, abuse, neglect, starvation, and ransom of your kid. All wwasp victims legally cannot be held against there will. Wwasp violates human rights in several countries. You are hurting your kid way more then helping. It realy is likely he wont forget the torture but you can start by buyin a plane ticket and capturing you son or daughter. May god bless you and thank you for letting me share with you my honest heart.




From: Kim (@ 0-1pool180-183.nas2.las-vegas1.nv.us.da.qwest.net) on: Mon Jul 28 23:05:12 EDT 2003


I recently left a program in mexico. Some things they say are true, and others I am not so certain about- I never saw them. If you were compliant you could get so far. If you were rebellious, well, there were some extremeties. People often ask me what it was like and its hard for me to explain. I seem to have shut most of that experience out of my mind. I do know that it was very hard. Emotionally and physically. And everyone has different views on it. I left because I developed pneumonia, a weird bacteria called MAI, and had an abcess in my lung no smaller than a lemon. I do beleive it was from neglect. After several weeks of being really sick, doubting myself because no one really beleived me, I decided to keep persisting to see a real doctor. And I did. That day was the last day I ever saw that school. When I was sick, I was in a lot of pain. And to get one tylenol or ibuprofen there was like trying to get some illegal drug. well, theres more. I dont want to bore you. I am glad about one thing, I finished highschool there. Whether going there helped me as a person, I'm not sure. Maybe I just needed to get out of the environment I was in. Such drastic measures such as sending me away for nine months probably werent necessary. Maybe I just needed to grow up. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to e-mail me. id love to find out about other peoples views or experiences.



From: Donna (@ wcshqs1.ncr.disa.mil) on: Fri Apr 2 11:12:30 EST 2004


Just to let you know that these WWASP stories above are not true. There are elements of truth, but they are so blown out of proportion that they have gone over the edge of being ridiculous.

If you look on other websites (wwasprebuttal.com -- I think is one --even intrepidnetreporter), you will find hundreds of parents and teens who have received good results from these programs. Not one lawsuit--EVER--has succeeded against WWASP for good reason. They do really good work.

My daughter was in a WWASP facility, Casa by the Sea, for 23 months. She went in extremely self destructive at 14, using drugs, alcohol, having sex, cutting herself, suicidal ideation, and through WWASP has done very well for herself. She's been out for 13 months, just had her 18 birthday, and is about to graduate from high school with her class. She intends to go to college. This wouldn't have happened without WWASP. She would have been dead or almost certainly dropped out.

Was WWASP perfect? No--far from it. But it did the job, and now I have a fairly normal (well, as normal as teens are) young woman who is capable of making good, non-self-destructive choices. She IS NOT bitter about WWASP at all

Note from poster: this parent was not there - but apparenty liked the end result - a compliant and obedient child. Some people think it's worth it pay someone to literraly BEAT THE HELL out of their defiant teen. I'm not one of those people. Sometime people need to learn hard lesson of life the hard way and sometimes a good parent can only advise and watch as their child makes mistakes that they will hopefully learn from.

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2004, 11:25:00 PM »
Has the grandfather made any progress?  Another avenue to pursue is to contact the US Embassy and ask them to do a welfare check *under the privacy act*.  If I am not mistaken, the grandfather could specify that the child be told of his grandfather's concerns for his safety and well-being. After that, it is up to the child to decide if he wants to waive his rights under the privacy act but if he does, than this gives the US Embassy the authority to communicate his (the teens's) thoughts and feelings to interested parties, such as his grandfather.
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2004, 01:08:00 AM »
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On 2004-06-21 20:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Has the grandfather made any progress?  Another avenue to pursue is to contact the US Embassy and ask them to do a welfare check *under the privacy act*.  If I am not mistaken, the grandfather could specify that the child be told of his grandfather's concerns for his safety and well-being. After that, it is up to the child to decide if he wants to waive his rights under the privacy act but if he does, than this gives the US Embassy the authority to communicate his (the teens's) thoughts and feelings to interested parties, such as his grandfather.

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Having personal experience as a grandparent trying to communicate with a child shipped to Casa by the Sea, I can absolutely state that the US Consular authorities (Al Anzaldua, Tijuana Embassy) definitely will not allow the American citizen child contact with the outside world against WWASPS wishes.  Anzaldua is in the back pocket of Dace Goulding, director of Casa, sees no harm in incarcerating children for years and years of silence, refuses to follow US law requiring citizens to be advised of their rights of repatriation, and will not even do an American citizen welfare check to affirm that the child in question is even still alive in the Ensenada facility.  

Having laws in place to protect our citizens overseas is a nice and tidy format to make legislators feel better.  Real world is that those laws are not enforced, and the State Department (up to Colin Powell and down through the ranks to the local king/God in his little fiefdom far away from the States) does not want to enter into this dirty business.  Ask anybody who has pleaded for help with Tranquility Bay kids.  The consulate in Jamaica and the Western Hemisphere State Department heads are notoriously corrupt and refuse to even investigate.  

FWIW, as a grandparent formerly in this man's same position, I have personally emailed him and have not received an answer.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2004, 01:26:00 AM »
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On 2004-06-21 20:25:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Has the grandfather made any progress?  Another avenue to pursue is to contact the US Embassy and ask them to do a welfare check *under the privacy act*.  If I am not mistaken, the grandfather could specify that the child be told of his grandfather's concerns for his safety and well-being. After that, it is up to the child to decide if he wants to waive his rights under the privacy act but if he does, than this gives the US Embassy the authority to communicate his (the teens's) thoughts and feelings to interested parties, such as his grandfather.


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Having personal experience as a grandparent trying to communicate with a child shipped to Casa by the Sea, I can absolutely state that the US Consular authorities (Al Anzaldua, Tijuana Embassy) definitely will not allow the American citizen child contact with the outside world against WWASPS wishes.  Anzaldua is in the back pocket of Dace Goulding, director of Casa, sees no harm in incarcerating children for years and years of silence, refuses to follow US law requiring citizens to be advised of their rights of repatriation, and will not even do an American citizen welfare check to affirm that the child in question is even still alive in the Ensenada facility.  



Having laws in place to protect our citizens overseas is a nice and tidy format to make legislators feel better.  Real world is that those laws are not enforced, and the State Department (up to Colin Powell and down through the ranks to the local king/God in his little fiefdom far away from the States) does not want to enter into this dirty business.  Ask anybody who has pleaded for help with Tranquility Bay kids.  The consulate in Jamaica and the Western Hemisphere State Department heads are notoriously corrupt and refuse to even investigate.  



FWIW, as a grandparent formerly in this man's same position, I have personally emailed him and have not received an answer. "


Spots, if requested of them, the US Embassy MUST conduct a welfare check, they cannot refuse. See excerpt below from the DOS Behavior Modification fact sheet for further information and instructions on how to initiate a WELFARE check on a minor residing in an offshore behavior modification school or program.  Everything else you say, I agree 100% with.

As excerpted:

" .... U.S. consular officials are not qualified to determine whether the programs offered by the facilities are of therapeutic benefit to the enrollees. When aware of such facilities, U.S. consular officials conduct periodic facility visits, sometimes accompanied by host country officials, to monitor the general welfare of the U.S. citizen enrollees. Inquiries into the welfare and whereabouts of U.S. citizen enrollees may be initiated by contacting the closest U.S. Embassy/Consulate in the host country or the Department of State?s Overseas Citizens Services (OCS) office at the below telephone number. Also, parents may contact the closest U.S. Embassy/Consulate in the host country to inquire about the facility or speak to the Department of State?s Bureau of Consular Affairs? OCS Specialist for that country (Tel.: 202-647-5226 or, for after hours emergencies, 202-647-5225).

The Federal Privacy Act protects U.S. citizens, including minor children, from the unauthorized disclosure of information that the U.S. Government has collected and maintained about them unless the U.S. citizen has consented in writing to the release of the information or one of the Privacy Act?s ?conditions of disclosure? permits the U.S. Government to release the otherwise protected information.

While parents/guardians may at times act in loco parentis for their minor children and obtain information that is otherwise protected by the Privacy Act, it must also be noted that minor children?s explicit wishes must be respected. Thus, a U.S. consular officer who has been advised by a minor child that s/he does not want any information released to an inquiring parent/guardian should honor those wishes absent the presence of circumstances affecting the health or safety of the minor child (i.e., one of the ?conditions of disclosure?). Parents/guardians should be aware that U.S. citizens 14 years of age and older have the right to apply for a passport without their parents?/guardian?s permission. In extreme emergency situations, they may also request repatriation assistance from the U.S. Government without parental consent.

Source: http://www.travel.state.gov/behavior_modification.html
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