you/me; WE have nothing to do with elan, as we are O-U-T of friggin' concept, so either elan is irrelevant or we are, and i'm going for the former. I guess I could ask, "elan - too expensive", but $50,000 a year for #5 Gulag makes the answer to that one, really, really, REALLY obvious. Soooooo.... hash cheese or heroin - too expensive? :razz: